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Randvek May 10th, 2008 06:02 AM

Re: is feeding acceptable or not
 
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Omnirizon said:
"what are we going to do tonight, Brain?"

"the same thing we do every night, Pinky."
*turns around, intense look in eyes*
"try and take over the world!!!"

"egads Brain! NARF!!!"

"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"

"I think so Brain, but where are we going to find a Tartarian our size?"

AlgaeNymph May 10th, 2008 06:17 AM

Re: is feeding acceptable or not
 
I voted "yes" simply because I don't like gems going to waste.

capnq May 10th, 2008 07:01 AM

Re: is feeding acceptable or not
 
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Omnirizon said: who are we talking about here? i mean is ry'leh going to send any of the lesser beings their stuff? and I can't picture the mind-flayer child prince.

You obviously haven't read enough Lovecraft. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif "Your Majesty, may I present to you Prince Wilbur, Thane of Whateley".

Mozkito May 10th, 2008 07:37 AM

Re: is feeding acceptable or not
 
I think of it as acceptable, just picture this. You are a cop, with no arms, and your gun is next to you. Are you going to kick it over to your "friend" or just let it go to waste? A rough comparison, but fitting nonetheless!

Endoperez May 10th, 2008 07:49 AM

Re: is feeding acceptable or not
 
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Mozkito said:
I think of it as acceptable, just picture this. You are a cop, with no arms, and your gun is next to you. Are you going to kick it over to your "friend" or just let it go to waste? A rough comparison, but fitting nonetheless!

A cop would help his fellow cops, of course, but Dominions is everyone against everyone with temporary exceptions. Here's a counter-example:

You're a hunter caught between an angry bear and an enraged lion that has already killed and eaten several humans. Your pistol won't be able to take either one down, but it might slow the one you shoot enough for the other to kill it as well. Are you going to help the bear, who only kills people when they get in their way, or the lion, who actively seeks to kill anyone nearby? You're dead, either way.

sector24 May 10th, 2008 09:48 AM

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Thematically, I don't think Dominions is an everyone vs. everyone game. To me it seems more like an ambitious pantheon. Yes you're trying to become the God of gods, but it gets lonely at the top without other deities to pay homage to you, sleep with, and cause shenanigans in the mortal world.

Think about it this way. The world won't function without a fertility god or goddess. So if you banish all the fertility deities to Tartarus, the world will wither away and die. That might be ok for a select few pretenders, but the rest of them are going to have to force at least 1 fertility deity to submit to his/her divine authority.

As the winner of a game of Dominions, you get to decide which pretenders get banished, which ones get released from a previous imprisonment, etc. I don't think you sit on your divine throne all by yourself destroying anyone who attempts to gather any power, like some kind of immortal Stalin figure. Even the pankrator needs his celestial general and lord of war.

In an ambitious pantheon it makes perfect sense to send your resources to a rival in the hope of helping him defeat your sworn enemy. If your sworn enemy wins, he's definitely going to chain you up against a rock where an immortal vulture eats your liver every day. But if someone else ascends to godhood you may be given a position as lord of all janitors or the god of biscuits.

Omnirizon May 10th, 2008 10:06 AM

Re: is feeding acceptable or not
 
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sector24 said:
...But if someone else ascends to godhood you may be given a position as lord of all janitors or the god of biscuits.

or perhaps the god of armless security personnel.


"Billy, your on the beat with O'Reily ta'night."

"O'Reily! Not that guy again."

"Ok look. I know he ain't got no arms, but he's a good cop with a lot of heart, an' if y'all get in a sticky situation, he can kick his gun over to ya; then maybe run up and bite the guy or something."

atul May 10th, 2008 11:28 AM

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Hm. In one game I received bucketloads of gems and items from total of 5 nations when they were about to go the way of dodo during the game. Each time, the gift was accompanied by a message:

"Avenge me."

And so I did, to best of my ability. So no, I wouldn't consider throwing away stuff after it's clear one's dead unthematic.

Xietor May 10th, 2008 11:41 AM

Re: is feeding acceptable or not
 
this poll is a bit silly. If you play much mp, you know revenge is a powerful motivator. Defeated players typically give away gems/gold and even allow units to be charmed to either help a friend or to hurt an enemy.

Trading items/gems is a part of diplomacy. And the mechanism exists to do do trades. Giving away stuff when all
hope is lost is part of diplomacy as well. If you are dead set against diplomacy, you can play 1 v 1 mp games, or try to start a no diplomacy mp game.

But the reason mp games are more fun than sp, apart from the higher challenge of facing humans over ai, is diplomacy.
Diplomacy is a great equalizer. A player not as good in strategy, even with a weaker nation, can defeat a better opponent with a stronger nation with help. And that may be his only hope.

Not giving away your items/gems in defeat is a bad tactical error. Giving away your stuff builds goodwill toward the player you give the stuff to, and you may get some reciprocation down the road in another game.

Jazzepi May 10th, 2008 11:44 AM

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Xietor said:
Not giving away your items/gems in defeat is a bad tactical error. Giving away your stuff builds goodwill toward the player you give the stuff to, and you may get some reciprocation down the road in another game.

I think this is very bad tact if you're attempting to influence later games with a current one.

Jazzepi


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