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Epaminondas September 4th, 2008 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Kristoffer O (Post 636332)


I intend to do some myo-o and a couple of national kami summons and possibly a pretender or two. I also have some plans for a few buddhistically inspired divine spells and a monastic order.

An interesting and welcome news. As a former Buddhist monk myself, the one lacuna in the game's coverage of the great Asian religious traditions seems to be its neglect of the Buddhist element.

The Asian dragon update is welcome news, too.

zzcat September 5th, 2008 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Epaminondas (Post 636385)
An interesting and welcome news. As a former Buddhist monk myself, the one lacuna in the game's coverage of the great Asian religious traditions seems to be its neglect of the Buddhist element.

Many "good" race in sutra of Buddhism & Hinduism have been covered by Bandar Log's national summon, the whole EA/MA setting of Jomon come from Shinto, and the immortal system of Taoism is reflected in Ti'en Ch'i national god and heroes. I think the game already have an amazingly coverage of Asia religions:)

I think the thing that was really omitted is localized Buddhism in east Asia. Both Chinese and Japanese make their buddhism very different from the original one. The most obvious example is Guanyin. In China she is the buddist version of Virgin Maria or "the Eternal Feminine" who has numerous worshipers far more than any other god of any religion. But in the original sutra, she is a man!:confused:

Epaminondas September 5th, 2008 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by zzcat (Post 636451)
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Originally Posted by Epaminondas (Post 636385)
An interesting and welcome news. As a former Buddhist monk myself, the one lacuna in the game's coverage of the great Asian religious traditions seems to be its neglect of the Buddhist element.

Many "good" race in sutra of Buddhism & Hinduism have been covered by Bandar Log's national summon, the whole EA/MA setting of Jomon come from Shinto, and the immortal system of Taoism is reflected in Ti'en Ch'i national god and heroes. I think the game already have an amazingly coverage of Asia religions:)

I think the thing that was really omitted is localized Buddhism in east Asia. Both Chinese and Japanese make their buddhism very different from the original one. The most obvious example is Guanyin. In China she is the buddist version of Virgin Maria or "the Eternal Feminine" who has numerous worshipers far more than any other god of any religion. But in the original sutra, she is a man!:confused:

I have never played with Bandar Log, but my impression was that the units from the sub-continent themed nations were Hindu, not Buddhist. And yes, I recognize that both Taoism and Shintoism are well-represented in this game.

Kristoffer O September 6th, 2008 01:43 AM

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Many of the buddhist spirits have a hindu origin, but as you say the bandar log summons are hindu.

Yakshas, rakshas, vidarajas, asuras, apsaras and others all appear in similar forms in buddhist traditions.

HoneyBadger September 6th, 2008 03:36 AM

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Nounours has started working on a Tibetan mod-I'm guessing based in part on the the pre-Buddhist 'Bon' religion.

I don't know much about it, but from what little I could garner, it's an existing (as in, people still practice it today) Shamanistic tradition that survived in Tibet since before Buddhism arrived there.

VedalkenBear September 6th, 2008 05:52 PM

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Mmm... I would rather say that EA/MA Jomon (i.e., Yomi and Sinuyama) are based off of popular concepts of classical Japan, not really Shinto or Buddhist belief.

zzcat September 7th, 2008 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Epaminondas (Post 636627)
I have never played with Bandar Log, but my impression was that the units from the sub-continent themed nations were Hindu, not Buddhist.

When rising as a new religion, Buddhist mythology said most divine or semi-divine races in Hinduism are guardians of buddha. The Lotus Sutra sum them up to "Eight Divisions of Gods and Dragons": deva, nagas, yakas, ganharvas, asuras, gaudas, kinaras, mahoragas.

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Originally Posted by HoneyBadger (Post 636801)
Nounours has started working on a Tibetan mod-I'm guessing based in part on the the pre-Buddhist 'Bon' religion.

I don't know much about it, but from what little I could garner, it's an existing (as in, people still practice it today) Shamanistic tradition that survived in Tibet since before Buddhism arrived there.

It's very diffcult to divide the "Bon" element from current Tantric buddhism of Tibet. They affect each other so deeply that Bon is accpeted by Tibetian buddhism and is named as "black denomination". I wonder how many original concept of Bon can be recovered by modern people.

lch September 11th, 2008 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Epaminondas (Post 636385)
As a former Buddhist monk myself, the one lacuna in the game's coverage of the great Asian religious traditions seems to be its neglect of the Buddhist element.

How does one become a former Buddhist monk? Found God? On a related note, how does one become a Buddhist monk in the first place? I had this weird situation when I visited the Himachal Pradesh area, that I wanted to buy those functional and good looking robes that the Buddhist monks were wearing, in a shop in McLeod Ganj where they were manufactured. The color composition (ruby and orange) looked fine and the material seemed to be quite good to be comfortable. The price they asked was very cheap, even for India. So (to paraphrase) when I asked "I can really buy those clothes like that? Even if I'm not a Buddhist monk?" the tibetian woman replied "No, those are only for priests." - "But I am not one." - "Maybe you should become one." - "Huh? Errm, err, no, thank you." That was weird. I'm still a little disappointed that I didn't get to buy those cool clothes.

Edratman September 11th, 2008 03:15 PM

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I think the first step in becoming a former Buddist monk is to become a Buddist monk.

llamabeast September 11th, 2008 03:32 PM

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:) :)

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The price they asked was very cheap, even for India. So (to paraphrase) when I asked "I can really buy those clothes like that? Even if I'm not a Buddhist monk?" the tibetian woman replied "No, those are only for priests." - "But I am not one." - "Maybe you should become one." - "Huh? Errm, err, no, thank you." That was weird. I'm still a little disappointed that I didn't get to buy those cool clothes.
That was brilliant. :)


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