Re: Slave Collar use
 

Not quite: you merely have a higher chance of getting Maenads with Turmoil scales, and you can still get them with Order 1! (I'm pretty sure Order 2 and above mean no more Maenads) Mind, that's only a marginal improvement over having to have Turmoil... it does make Order 1 an option for Pangaea, though, and I don't think any other nation can make that claim.

(If you're curious, I think Order 1 gives you one guaranteed Maenad and a random chance of getting a random number of extra ones, and Turmoil increases your odds but it's still very random. No Turmoil/Order gives you roughly half as many Maenads as Turmoil 3 on average and two or three times as many as Order 1)

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Not that Ive used it much as an MP tactic anyway but actually more come in turmoil. I think Ive only been able to shutoff the flow by staying inside my own dominion and taking +3 order. But Ive moved thru enemy territory and had maenads appear each turn. In a quick short test game (just to make sure nothing has changed) I was even able to take 3 provinces inside of 30 turns without ever attacking anyone, one with a castle. With just the maenads coming from my stealth pans.

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The problem is that *enemy* Order 3 is also going to shut down Maenads, and most provinces in MP are going to be under Order 3.

Order 2 does give a few Maenads indeed, though you only get a random chance of gaining a couple a turn... there's no guarantee you'll summon one every single turn as with Order 1 and below.

Re: Slave Collar use
 

Oh, my fault. I once heard forge bonus does not apply to soul contaracts, and beilieved it is the same situation for all other blood items.

Thanks for the correction.

Re: Slave Collar use
 

Psycho is right, the forge bonus also does not apply to blood hearts.

Re: Slave Collar use
 

Really? Even in CBM games?
Sounds like that should be fixed.

Hmmmm I might need to look into that. Been abit since Ive tested the "everyone" in the scales area.

Re: Slave Collar use
 

It could be that enemy order dominion is not counted, as it is a positive trait, and so it would act as Order 0, thus generating some maenads.

Re: Slave Collar use
 

Enemy Dominion affects Maenad generation... at least Order does, but I don't think Turmoil would be any different.

Re: Slave Collar use
 

I just tested it. And yes it appears that enemy dominion of +3 order does shut off the maenads.
So MPers can apparently safely forget that tip. :)

Re: Slave Collar use
 

There are several nations that are eminently playable with turmoil. Mictlan, Ermor, LA Goth, to name a few.