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NTJedi February 15th, 2009 09:26 PM

Re: noob: how to get troops underwater
 
You might need to explore the recruitable independents along the shore as a few places might provide special amphibian types for purchase... thus no need for magic.
This is usually the easiest and fastest way to move into the water provinces.

On a side note the Independent Land AIs are terrible about attacking water provinces which provides the human player a huge advantage. If playing against AIs you'll eventually stop playing with water provinces because the human player has such a strong advantage.

lch February 16th, 2009 07:32 AM

Re: noob: how to get troops underwater
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JimMorrison (Post 674585)
Also remember, those figures should be in terms of "human sized" (or Size 2) troops. Giants vary between Size 4-6, so you'll have to pay attention to that, and figure accordingly.

I could be wrong, but I think that the numbers that Darkwind and I posted are for Size 1 troops. For bigger sized troops, divide accordingly.

Panpiper February 16th, 2009 02:10 PM

Re: noob: how to get troops underwater
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NTJedi (Post 674650)
On a side note the Independent Land AIs are terrible about attacking water provinces which provides the human player a huge advantage. If playing against AIs you'll eventually stop playing with water provinces because the human player has such a strong advantage.

I like having delimiting 'terrain' on my maps which water provides for. I do not however like the problems water provinces have with the AI. My solution is that I use the 'Deadly Seas' mod. This effectively rules out going into the water, period. Water becomes simply the edge of the map and the game is played on land.

JimMorrison February 16th, 2009 06:22 PM

Re: noob: how to get troops underwater
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lch (Post 674718)
Quote:

Originally Posted by JimMorrison (Post 674585)
Also remember, those figures should be in terms of "human sized" (or Size 2) troops. Giants vary between Size 4-6, so you'll have to pay attention to that, and figure accordingly.

I could be wrong, but I think that the numbers that Darkwind and I posted are for Size 1 troops. For bigger sized troops, divide accordingly.

Stop following me around and making me appear only partially informed. :p

<3

Agema February 17th, 2009 05:53 AM

Re: noob: how to get troops underwater
 
Also, be warned units that are not amphibious will take sizeable combat negatives underwater when (if) you get them there: -3Att -3Def as I recall, and an AP penalty so they'll be pretty slow. Plan your army accordingly, as you'll need a stronger army than to take out roughly equivalent land forces.

Make sure - in MP at least - that if attacking someone else you have adequate defences (good MR, guarding troops, chaff leaders) for your commander as well. If they are killed they take their waterbreathing item with them and your troops will drown.

Dedas February 17th, 2009 01:57 PM

Re: noob: how to get troops underwater
 
Talk about putting your life in the hand of your commander - literally.

JimMorrison February 17th, 2009 02:12 PM

Re: noob: how to get troops underwater
 
"Alright, listen up, maggots! You see these pills? They will let you breathe underwater for 24 hours. Take your pill NOW, I'll give you another one tomorrow - I promise."

:eek:

Darkwind February 17th, 2009 04:26 PM

Re: noob: how to get troops underwater
 
I think I'd like the Sea King's Goblet better. Drink from a king's cup every day, and get to hang with mermaids as a bonus (though you might get stuck with an icky Ichtyid). :D

thejeff February 17th, 2009 04:35 PM

Re: noob: how to get troops underwater
 
How about Barrel of Air? 75 people lined up to get gulps of air from one barrel?

Maybe they have hoses...

Darkwind February 17th, 2009 04:47 PM

Re: noob: how to get troops underwater
 
That brings up another question: why do nature levels bring supplies? How does that single mage feed people? Milk?

;)

I wouldn't want yucky old man milk. Would you?


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