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Louppatient October 23rd, 2009 04:13 PM

Re: Cloud Trapeze vs. Faery Trod
 
I just ran a quick test (only the debug mod, scout on attack, pretender coming in with cloud trapeze in the same independant province) => they fought together.

vfb October 23rd, 2009 06:21 PM

Re: Cloud Trapeze vs. Faery Trod
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Benjamin (Post 715819)
I just read today that this is no longer the case (hidden attackers joining magic phase attack). Have you tried it recently?

Yes. Where'd you hear that?

atul October 24th, 2009 10:42 AM

Re: Cloud Trapeze vs. Faery Trod
 
Probably a confusion due to the fact that hidden troops on order "attack current province" no more attack on magic phase if they're attacking alone. They only join if there's a magic attack on the province too.

So, "attack current prov" without magic support coming in -> fight after movement phase; "attack current prov" + people teleporting in -> everyone fighting after magic phase before movement.

The movement stuff was redone with all the funky checks at some point. For instance, it's possible for non-uw-commanders to leave uw-enabling items at lab and move on dry land at the same time (because game checks that only at certain point), but if there's a magic attack on the province at the same time when the commander is moving out, there will be an extra check before movement and that commander dies.

Also, as a more practical example, should you have a hiding scout in prov A attacking adjanced B when Sending Horrors to both A and B, the end result will be first scout attacking A, then horrors attacking A and B, and probably no scout left alive to conquer B. Since as there was magic phase attack on A the game checked whether there was any non-hiding troops in A during magic phase. Do-oh. Been there, done that, got yelled at for my stupidity.

...at least, that's according to my current understanding of how things go.

Corporal Clegg May 5th, 2010 04:16 PM

Re: Cloud Trapeze vs. Faery Trod
 
If you teleport/cloud trapeze/faerytrod/stygian-paths to a castle of yours which is besieged, will the "teleporting" army fight the sieging army or join your forces inside? Does it happen i magic phase?

chrispedersen May 5th, 2010 08:47 PM

Re: Cloud Trapeze vs. Faery Trod
 
you tp into your castle

Wrana May 7th, 2010 11:27 AM

Re: Cloud Trapeze vs. Faery Trod
 
One thing more - Faery trod occurs in movement phase, not magic. Don't remember about Stygian paths. Also, unmovable units (Pretenders such as Oracle/Statue or giant oaks) can't Faery trod or move through Stygian paths, though can Teleport.

Gregstrom May 7th, 2010 01:50 PM

Re: Cloud Trapeze vs. Faery Trod
 
I was under the impression that the Sphinx (and presumably other very immobile Pretenders) could only move by using Stygian pathe. Teleport certainly doesn't work for it.

Aethyr May 7th, 2010 11:40 PM

Re: Cloud Trapeze vs. Faery Trod
 
Among immobile pretenders the Sphinx is unique in this way. IIRC the other immobile pretenders can teleport.

chrispedersen May 8th, 2010 11:02 AM

Re: Cloud Trapeze vs. Faery Trod
 
no.

Graeme Dice May 8th, 2010 12:07 PM

Re: Cloud Trapeze vs. Faery Trod
 
Both the oracle and the blood fountain can teleport.


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