Re: Upkeed and Desertion
 

... what? What does it have to do with clamming or morale 22 units?

Re: Upkeed and Desertion
 

Are you positive? Did this happen recently? It would be interesting if this was indeed true.

Re: Upkeed and Desertion
 

Maybe I should test it again, because everyone seems positive it shouldn't happen. I could swear it was a desertion, but I suppose it could have been old age that I missed.

Re: Upkeed and Desertion
 

I am unable to recreate the loss after 40 turns without money. Must have missed something...

Re: Upkeed and Desertion
 

Wow, thats an interesting mechanic Sombre. Never really understood the design principle behind paying for units when resources go negative, or even why recruitment is an option in 0 resource provinces.

If I were getting pounded by someone spamming Blight (Target province suffers +15 unrest, 5% poploss, and owner loses 80 gold) and I "banked" all my gold in troop recruitment in a 0 resource province .. According to turn resolution, rituals would go off first and any Blights would subtract their gold from an empty treasury. Then would come income and upkeep and I would have essentially lost no gold from the Blights? Random gold loss events would take place before income phase also, so banking would protect you from all gold loss rituals or events. Am I interpreting that right? Is treasury allowed to go negative in the ritual and random event phase?

Am sure I have spent all my gold and still have gotten penalized for gold loss events, so maybe not as big an exploit

Re: Upkeed and Desertion
 

Well even if it yoinked your income away, think about a situation where you know you're going to have negative upkeep.

You can stash away money using this trick. There are a variety of applications.

Another nice trick with negative income is this - set all your provinces to 200 tax for a turn to get money to hire more commanders. Hire the commanders and set the provinces to 0 tax rate. Next turn, set them to 200 and repeat.

Various problems caused by dom3 not tracking debt but always reducing you to 0.

Re: Upkeed and Desertion
 

Just another way for you pretender to be an enourmous prick to their people.

Re: Upkeed and Desertion
 

hehe seriously. You'd think that the average dude might try another religion after I stole his two virgin daughters for sacrifice, turned three of his dead uncles into zombies, conscripted him to go into battle with just a sling and no armor, then "forgot" to pay him.

Re: Upkeed and Desertion
 

Yes, but you can tell he's a God because he:
A)Has a massive bless effect(but also causes all the people to be lazy)
B)Makes the people work really hard (but is actually a big wimp)
C)Can take an army by himself (while crapifying everything else and/or after absorbing the economic and magical output of the whole nation for several seasons)

Re: Upkeed and Desertion
 

hehe those are some good points. I read on wikipedia that Kristoffer Osterman of Illwinter teaches religion and social science in Sweeden. Those have got to be some interesting classes...