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Trumanator March 11th, 2010 04:22 PM

Re: New HoF brain storm
 
Well what if player A's games were invite only experts games? The HoF is a very imprecise system, and at best provides guidelines for who is good/lucky and who isn't. Trying to quantify and qualify everything is just setting up for frustration.

Gandalf Parker March 11th, 2010 04:59 PM

Re: New HoF brain storm
 
What if a game is big-map and the winner was basically the one who could stand out the most against late-game MM?

Its better than nothing. It does help for the discussions that toss out absolutes without qualifying them. Such as xxxxx can never win, or xxxxx always loses. (nations, not people). Its nice to see the spread.

But its never going to replace a real ladder system which has been discussed elsewhere. And even those arent perfect. To get even close to a ladder system the games would all have to be duels with the same game settings (map, mods, etc)

vfb March 11th, 2010 05:47 PM

Re: New HoF brain storm
 
The HoF is an evil abomination that causes people to gankfest and min/max instead of having fun. IMVHO.

WraithLord March 11th, 2010 06:08 PM

Re: New HoF brain storm
 
Good points. I agree with them all.
That said, I'm under the impression most players want HoF. If I'm mistaken and most agree with you vfb then I'll drop the ball. My objective is to do this as a service to the community. I'm very far from advocating for HoF myself.

vfb March 11th, 2010 06:32 PM

Re: New HoF brain storm
 
Of course everyone wants it! That's why everyone gankfests and min/max-es. :)

djo March 11th, 2010 06:32 PM

Re: New HoF brain storm
 
You might (either for this or some other project) look into JSON as a lightweight persistence format (www.json.org). Your data looks a lot like a dictionary, and JSON will do that fine. There's a parser module in the Python stdlib since 2.6.

I offer this as a tip from another Pythonista, not to try to influence you to change your mind on your current format. I've liked JSON when I wanted something more than key-value but less than XML.

Gandalf Parker March 11th, 2010 07:05 PM

Re: New HoF brain storm
 
As I said, it does serve a purpose. My impression is that people like to post their wins somewhere (for the first few months anyway). With many new people coming in its probably a worthy service. Its kindof a graffitti wall to show they progressed from the "Introduce Yourself" thread to the "Hall of Fame" for their first few wins.

As for cleaning it up.. Id like the data to be made neat. Id love to see it run thru a charting program even if the data isnt totally scientific. But it might not be worth that much effort.

WraithLord March 21st, 2010 10:33 AM

Re: New HoF brain storm
 
status update:
Things were coming up nicely. I had completed the data gathering layer. Now all I'm missing is to write the report generator.
Unfortunately mother nature has hit me with the flu and when I was finally able to crawl out of bad and get to the office my boss has hit me with tons of burning issues. I thus foretell that I'd be seriously slowed down this week.

I would like to ask again who would like to participate in setting up and maintaining the new HoF. A 2nd hand would allow to get to a working HoF much faster.

Hadrian_II March 26th, 2010 09:59 AM

Re: New HoF brain storm
 
i can help you if you want, just contact me with whatever i can do for you

WraithLord March 26th, 2010 01:03 PM

Re: New HoF brain storm
 
Hadrian_II, thank you for your generous offer to help.
I'm about 60% done and there's a task in which you can greatly help. Please send me your email address and I'll send you the details.


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