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Kadelake
Interesting tests.
I was wondering if your leeching touch result had to do something with Sidhe's mirror image and ran the same test with W9 blessed tien chi sacreds, defence skill 20. Result: 12 hits, 2 misses.
That's why I always run individual tests when I plan something, game's full of surprises. :)

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How are you guys doing these tests? A one-off battle simulator sounds awesome!

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I use this mod for my tests: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showt...ighlight=debug

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Also you can take a look at my (unfortunately not fully finished yet) utility that automates the process of testing here http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=45908

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I've also run into spells whose hit marker seems to be baffling:

Star fire, on paper this looks like a great counter very early at Evo 1 against low hp high def thug such as Sidhe lord. However on testing, having 3 astral mage standing in the front rank casting star fire for 5 turns produced 0 hits on a sidhe lord (using weightless kite shield + frost brand) also standing in the front rank. I notice the star fire hitting the square sidhe is occupying multiple times to no effect. I just assumed that the hit marker for star fire is "magic missile", like nether darts which could be parried by shields (I've put off debug log reading, but you really should pick it up...).

There are other tests that gave rather surprising results, I can only say not to assuming the obvious and test everything beforehand, otherwise you WILL pay for it in MP when you confidently pull out a "counter" (Like I always do) only to look like a suicidal idiot.

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WingedDog
Interesting :)
I used CBM 1.6 by the way.

I ran a test against agarthans (def 7) Results for leaching touch: 10hits 6misses. They never missed with hand of death (6 hits) and sleep touch (4hits) It looks like some of the touch spells always hits (hand of death) while some (leaching touch and poison touch) obviously miss sometimes. As to what determines if they miss I have no idea; mirror image, shields, the number of size points in a square, attack and defence skill all seem to have no effect.

Interesting sidenote: sleep touch has a penetration penalty of -1.

Finalgenesis
Yes, I was really scared of star fire before I saw the actual results :)
Abyssia used it against me and managed to hit twice, but most times it missed even though the square was hit. I've heard that all singe target, non precision 100, spells can be shield parried. I don't know if they can miss by hitting an empty area of the square. That would be good to test unless the vets already know the answer ;)

Speaking of veterans, if any these mechanics are common knowledge please say so and save us some pointless tests ;)
Sorry for hijacking your thread earwicker, but we found an interesting question :D

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So for those mods, you'd basically want to run two-player hotseat, correct? Interesting...