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Finalgenesis February 14th, 2011 07:49 AM

Re: undead question
 
Also, Shadow brand's weapon effect is leeching darkness, with the difference in that it doesn't persist and acts instantly.

thejeff February 14th, 2011 08:45 AM

Re: undead question
 
Really? I haven't checked in awhile, but I remember Shadow Brand not working on undead. Or at least not on lifeless undead.

On a similar note, does Life for a Life works on undead (or lifeless undead, if there's a difference)?

Makinus February 14th, 2011 09:01 AM

Re: undead question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thejeff (Post 771086)
Really? I haven't checked in awhile, but I remember Shadow Brand not working on undead. Or at least not on lifeless undead.

On a similar note, does Life for a Life works on undead (or lifeless undead, if there's a difference)?

Yes, there is a difference, not all undead are lifeless (a majority is tough) and not all lifeless are undead.

thejeff February 14th, 2011 10:31 AM

Re: undead question
 
I know there is a difference, that's why I mentioned it. Does the difference make a difference in this case?

brxbrx February 14th, 2011 01:56 PM

Re: undead question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thejeff (Post 771094)
I know there is a difference, that's why I mentioned it. Does the difference make a difference in this case?

various immunities, and certain spells targeting one or the other.

think of a corpse with it's heart still beating. think of the frankenstein monster (not the corpse-construct found in-game); that would be a great example of a non-lifeless undead.

thejeff February 14th, 2011 02:03 PM

Re: undead question
 
Yes. I know.

That doesn't speak to "this case". Which was, from my original question:

Shadow Brand/Leeching Darkness and Life for a Life.

I have memories of Shadow Brands not working on undead and was wondering if I was wrong or if lifeless was actually the distinction.

brxbrx February 14th, 2011 02:39 PM

Re: undead question
 
Life for a Life
"Lifeless beings are immune to this spell, everyone else will take severe and irresistible damage from it"
this is found in the spell's in-game description. Maybe next time you should try looking there first?

As for leeching darkness, there is nothing that indicates whether anyone has an immunity to it, so you may as well assume it will work on the lifeless and the living dead.

thejeff February 14th, 2011 02:43 PM

Re: undead question
 
Thanks for that. I'd looked in the manual, but it didn't specify. The in-game descriptions are often not that specific.

I'll have to test Leeching Darkness when I get the chance.

Soyweiser February 14th, 2011 02:51 PM

Re: undead question
 
I tested leeching darkness on the MA_Ermor reanimate horsemen, and it did damage them. So it works on both undead and lifeless units. (iirc the horsemen are both).

brxbrx February 14th, 2011 03:08 PM

Re: undead question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Soyweiser (Post 771109)
I tested leeching darkness on the MA_Ermor reanimate horsemen, and it did damage them. So it works on both undead and lifeless units. (iirc the horsemen are both).

unless it only works on both at a time, not one or the other? A cruel twist by the developers? just kidding.


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