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Valerius September 16th, 2012 03:37 PM

Re: Can you only have one instance of certain summons?
 
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Originally Posted by Anaconda (Post 811214)
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Originally Posted by JonBrave (Post 811212)
Any specifics for my EoTD? (It's CBM if that makes any diff.)

I understood Eater is an unique creature. Only one can exist at the time.

The eater of the dead has multiple forms. Its initial form is unit 994 and the game checks to see if that unit exists. If it does, then casting the spell again will fail. Once the eater grows in power and shifts to unit 995 then you can successfully cast the spell again since the game will not find that unit 994 already exists.

Anaconda September 16th, 2012 03:43 PM

Re: Can you only have one instance of certain summons?
 
Ok, 5 by 5.

Valerius September 16th, 2012 03:44 PM

Re: Can you only have one instance of certain summons?
 
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Originally Posted by momfreeek (Post 811213)
Can all of these be resummoned once they are killed? I know this works for demon lords, I asume it works for the rest?

That should be the case. I haven't tested it with all the national summons but the elemental royalty certainly work that way.

JonBrave September 16th, 2012 03:47 PM

Re: Can you only have one instance of certain summons?
 
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Originally Posted by Valerius (Post 811217)
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Originally Posted by Anaconda (Post 811214)
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Originally Posted by JonBrave (Post 811212)
Any specifics for my EoTD? (It's CBM if that makes any diff.)

I understood Eater is an unique creature. Only one can exist at the time.

The eater of the dead has multiple forms. Its initial form is unit 994 and the game checks to see if that unit exists. If it does, then casting the spell again will fail. Once the eater grows in power and shifts to unit 995 then you can successfully cast the spell again since the game will not find that unit 994 already exists.

Yowza! Thanks. The game's intricacies never seem to get exhausted, nor the level of detail you guys know :-)

jotwebe September 16th, 2012 04:19 PM

Re: Can you only have one instance of certain summons?
 
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Can all of these be resummoned once they are killed?
CBM Firebirds can definitely be resummoned. Also the elemental royalty, as already mentioned. I *think* the demon aristocracy (or should that be malocracy?) can be, as well.

Soyweiser September 16th, 2012 05:13 PM

Re: Can you only have one instance of certain summons?
 
They can be resummoned, they retain curses, horrormarks, afflictions (they get a few heal checks on summoning them, I don't know how much).

If I recall correctly they retain prophet status. But not the magic levels. Do not know if they remain domspread, or if you can reappoint a prophet when they die.

Empowerments are also removed on resummoning.

momfreeek September 16th, 2012 06:28 PM

Re: Can you only have one instance of certain summons?
 
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Originally Posted by Soyweiser (Post 811223)
They can be resummoned, they retain curses, horrormarks, afflictions (they get a few heal checks on summoning them, I don't know how much).

Ahh, thx, that explains the crippled ice devil I just summoned. I thought that was part of his flavor like the one with useless icicles for hands.

momfreeek September 16th, 2012 06:31 PM

Re: Can you only have one instance of certain summons?
 
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Originally Posted by Soyweiser (Post 811223)
They can be resummoned, they retain curses, horrormarks, afflictions (they get a few heal checks on summoning them, I don't know how much).

Ahh, thx, that explains the crippled ice devil I just summoned. I thought that was part of his flavor like the one with useless icicles for hands. He was quite disappointing.

Soyweiser September 16th, 2012 09:53 PM

Re: Can you only have one instance of certain summons?
 
The Ice devils are considered to be the weakest of the unique devils. Still nice thugs/sc's. But a few nations that can get them also have better access to thugs (I'm looking at you, skrattir).

Redeyes September 17th, 2012 02:04 AM

Re: Can you only have one instance of certain summons?
 
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Originally Posted by Soyweiser (Post 811223)
If I recall correctly they retain prophet status. But not the magic levels. Do not know if they remain domspread, or if you can reappoint a prophet when they die.

I think they do, like if someone else gets control of your prophet (the prophet starts spreading the other player's dominion).


We should probably discuss the Djinn, who can only exist one at a time. He's summoned from the magic lamp artifact, causing the lamp to disappear. If someone else makes the lamp afterwards and uses the lamp he instead gets control of the Djinn, and I think all item he's currently wearing.

You can also wish for unique beings that already exist, and if you do and someone else already owns it you'll get control of the unit instead. (Items should disappear, as wished for units aren't commanders by default and need to have Gift of Reason thrown on them.)


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