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wulfir July 4th, 2023 02:16 AM

Re: Scenario 37
 
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Originally Posted by DRG (Post 854899)
Its an early one by Ulf......maybe he has some ideas about this little mystery

It's one of the first one's I've ever made, so it's old - no doubt it could use a face lift. The map is too large, should maybe be reworked.

I don't remember editing any NKPA snipers to go surfing...

DRG July 4th, 2023 05:04 AM

Re: Scenario 37
 
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Originally Posted by Mobhack (Post 854903)

It's the space bar that is the "break in" key for AI v AI games,

:doh::doh::doh:

......in my defence ( weak at best.....)I was juggling a number of other RL home projects at the same time but I did see what may have been something else in the water around turn 10 but at the time I had the map zoomed all the way out and if I zoomed in the game would center on the action so I missed seeing exactly what it was but it almost looked like a gun......... but I was in the middle of doing other things so that is not a reliable observation

Suhiir July 4th, 2023 11:47 AM

Re: Scenario 37
 
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Originally Posted by wulfir (Post 854904)
It's one of the first one's I've ever made, so it's old - no doubt it could use a face lift. The map is too large, should maybe be reworked.

So no objections to me revising the scenario?

wulfir July 4th, 2023 01:50 PM

Re: Scenario 37
 
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Originally Posted by Suhiir (Post 854908)
So no objections to me revising the scenario?

Not at all, go for it. :up:

Btw, regarding the map - IIRC it was created way back in one of the dos versions of the game when the game mostly had the old basic SP terrain options. The scale is off. I relied on a map from some old book - the internet back then was sparse on map info. Made map making quicker tho. :)

Also looked up Wolmi-do island today - it doesn't look much like it did in the 50s...

The scenario was probably uploaded to the Wargamer scenario archive and from there made it to the game. The people who dealt with me back then have since dropped off. Don't remember their names but they were active in the yahoo group list and I have a faint memory of them wanting to keep going with the dos version (?)...

DRG July 4th, 2023 04:09 PM

Re: Scenario 37
 
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Originally Posted by wulfir (Post 854909)

Also looked up Wolmi-do island today - it doesn't look much like it did in the 50s...

Not even remotely close, It's a theme park now and they have filled in the mudflats so you cannot use Venhola to build the map

One map from that time here
http://samilitaryhistory.org/vol083js.html

http://samilitaryhistory.org/vo083jsa.jpg

You could try using the existing map and run the fix-damage routine with the extended map editor then modify that

Suhiir July 4th, 2023 09:09 PM

Re: Scenario 37
 
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Originally Posted by DRG (Post 854910)
EDIT

Here it is with all damage removed which might solve the issues that are cropping up after new units are bought and placed

I note the map you fixed has been SERIOUSLY cropped.
Intentional?

DRG July 4th, 2023 09:42 PM

Re: Scenario 37
 
Oops. I didn't change the size and it took what I had set and used that

I will redo

DRG July 4th, 2023 09:51 PM

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Corrected map. This should remove any weirdness that might have crept into the original after all the game updates

Suhiir July 5th, 2023 12:19 AM

Re: Scenario 37
 
Speaking of the map ...

I know you can use the map editor to add shell craters.
Is there a way to change the tree/forest hexes to burnt down/blown to hell forest?

P.S.
A preparatory bombardment by 4 heavy cruisers, 2 light cruisers, 9 destroyers, several squadrons of various types of aircraft over the course of 5 days; and then over 3,000 4.5in rockets just before the landings creates a rather impressive moonscape.

DRG July 5th, 2023 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Suhiir (Post 854917)
Speaking of the map ...

I know you can use the map editor to add shell craters.
Is there a way to change the tree/forest hexes to burnt down/blown to hell forest?

Short answer is no. You could selectively add winter trees, there are plenty of bare ones but it's tedious but it will do in a pinch.

I have seen burnt tree Icons in the code files we got but they are leftovers from early SSI development that were never used and I am not sure where they are. They were never used because the time span SP covers means burning trees never stop burning

EDIT

"Mystery" solved. They were an unused portion of the original SP2 tree SHP files for all types that were never used in the game that were removed from the file when I expanded the tree variety YEARS ago

All sets had burnt trees but were never put into the code for use. That example is the original SSI summer tree set TER09... but that's not how TER09 looks like in SPWW2/MBT now. Now the base tree set has been expanded considerably ( and the burnt ones removed because there was no reason to keep them )

https://i.imgur.com/dDnWA7F.png


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Originally Posted by Suhiir (Post 854917)
P.S.
A preparatory bombardment by 4 heavy cruisers, 2 light cruisers, 9 destroyers, several squadrons of various types of aircraft over the course of 5 days; and then over 3,000 4.5in rockets just before the landings creates a rather impressive moonscape.

You could add damage with 255 flood fill but its better to put damage like that in small chunks otherwise the map contours are obscured. Re pre-bombardment It's the Napalm that was dropped that the South Koreans remember the most and it's still an issue with them


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