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i almost voted 'other' for vga planets, but while that was a more detailed game with many vastly superior features, it lacked a certain playability. and when it comes down to it, ive been playing this cursed se4 thing for about two years now, and posting on this forum to boot. so se4 got my vote.

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Yes sorry, I did.

Allthough SeIV is beter than any game in the list, I still have a weak spot for MOO.

Sparhawk

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I used to play a totally far out 4X game called Ultimate Universe. I d/l'd it again recently but it will not work on XP because XP does not have the dos kernel, bummer. It was an interesting game concept.

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I voted for MOO2. I would vote for SEIV if they fixed the diplomacy problem. What I mean is that I can't defend my systems against colonization by my "allies", except by declaring war on them and bLasting the squatters, which makes it not worthwhile to ever agree to any treaty about Non-Intercourse (at which level your minefields still work and you can still forcibly evict squatters). If a future patch changes things so that the AI respects borders and could not, if it has a treaty with you higher than Non-Intercourse, claim any system you have already claimed (i.e. not reclaim a system it agreed to "give" you a couple turns later) then I would vote for SEIV in such a poll. As it is, though, the inability to use the higher diplomatic functions kills a lot of the fun for me.

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Barnacle Bill, play on PBW. Human diplomacy is much more fun than AI diplomacy. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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You've got to be kidding?!?

I've sat on the fence for about a year and finally ordered this game early this morning, and now I find out that the diplomacy options in the AI (such as not respecting boarders via colonization of your own planets) don't work??

Cripse, there was a similar problem with Civilization 2 in which allies still woulnd't pull settlers out of your territories after telling the ally (via diplomacy) to get out/off that I recall never being fixed... this was a frustratingly near game killing bug, one that I thought would have been fixed by now with so many patches to this game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

I came here to ask on the board which Version of SE 4 Gold came with the game, but man, this is a bummer to read.

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You haven't been reading very long if you didn't realize that the AI was lame. It's the #1 complaint and the #1 topic of discussion among modders.

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You are right, I have not spent much time reading on this board... I have visted it from time to time, but never looked too closely at it. My mistake obviously. I still have hopes that it is a good game, but I really thought the A.I. would have surpassed that of Deadlock 2. From what I'm reading now, it appears that the A.I. may be able to put up a better fight, but man, why not just remove the non-functioning diplomacy options from vs. AI games? Or is that not possible?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It called AI Diarria. Look at it this way, you can use their colonies as target practice. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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"why not just remove the non-functioning diplomacy options from vs. AI games?"

What about multiple humans vs AIs?
What if a human sets their empire to full AI control for a while?

What if it really was a human player reading your Messages, and ignoring you in the same way?