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Fyron September 13th, 2002 12:13 AM

Re: Poll: Are Phased Polaron Beams too powerful?
 
Shield Depleter and APB XII armed ships can slaughter PPB armed ships quite easily. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

cshank2 September 13th, 2002 12:41 AM

Re: Poll: Are Phased Polaron Beams too powerful?
 
PPB beams are almost useless against Phased Shields...

Phoenix-D September 13th, 2002 12:47 AM

Re: Poll: Are Phased Polaron Beams too powerful?
 
"PPB beams are almost useless against Phased Shields..."

I wouldn't say that. They only loose 5 points of damage at close range to APBs, and cost a lot less to research.

Phoenix-D

Fyron September 13th, 2002 12:57 AM

Re: Poll: Are Phased Polaron Beams too powerful?
 
But they cost like 4 or 5 times as much to build and maintain. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

spoon September 13th, 2002 01:31 AM

Re: Poll: Are Phased Polaron Beams too powerful?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
But they cost like 4 or 5 times as much to build and maintain. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">1.5 times as much, actually. Build time only slightly affected, since most of the cost is in rads. And APBs only cost seven times as much to research...

APB XII -- 400 min/ 120 rad - 1,630,000 research
PPB V -- 500 min/ 300 rad - 240,000 research

[ September 13, 2002, 00:32: Message edited by: spoon ]

Suicide Junkie September 13th, 2002 10:05 PM

Re: Poll: Are Phased Polaron Beams too powerful?
 
Heh, this again http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

IMO:
Phased weapons should be slightly weaker than the nearest comparable standard weapon.
Phased shields should be available early, with only a bit more research than normal shields.
Phased shields should also be slightly weaker than standard shields.

Then, phased weapons become a support weapon instead of a main gun:
By carrying a few phased weapons, you may force the enemy to use the weaker phased shield generators, and take advantage by bLasting away with your more powerful normal damage weapons.
You may not even need to have any phased weapons in your assault fleet, but if your opponent believes you do, he will have some decisions to make. Psychological warfare anybody? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Arkcon September 13th, 2002 10:22 PM

Re: Poll: Are Phased Polaron Beams too powerful?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Suicide Junkie:
By carrying a few phased weapons, you may force the enemy to use the weaker phased shield generators, and take advantage by bLasting away with your more powerful normal damage weapons.
You may not even need to have any phased weapons in your assault fleet, but if your opponent believes you do, he will have some decisions to make. Psychological warfare anybody? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Your method from P&N may be better balanced than the stock game. And MM maight want to implement it, or people could just play P&N. Like you said once, its fun even if you don't play as a pirate or nomad.

However, in the stock game, once you start achieveing 1 or 2 levels in phased shields, conditions are essentially the same as you suggest. You have to make some hard decisions on how to defend your ships. The difference is, you have to spend a lot of research time and research resources to achieve it.

Fyron September 14th, 2002 02:40 AM

Re: Poll: Are Phased Polaron Beams too powerful?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by spoon:
1.5 times as much, actually. Build time only slightly affected, since most of the cost is in rads. And APBs only cost seven times as much to research...

APB XII -- 400 min/ 120 rad - 1,630,000 research
PPB V -- 500 min/ 300 rad - 240,000 research

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So I exaggerated.

The biggest advantage APBs have over PPBs is the 8 range. APB ships can at times out-range PPB ships.


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