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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wasn't really trying to be mean, but I gotta call's 'em as I see's 'em. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

I'm still a Trek fan, I just wish they'd take themselves at least a little seriously, for a change. Enterprise seems to be doing pretty decent so far, I hope it doesn't devolve into a soap opera like some other series' have.

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Actually, reports from overseas for ST:X are doing very nicely. It flopped in the US sadly.

It could have done worse. Pinnochio (spelling?) flopped big time and only took 229K on it's opening weekend.

[ January 01, 2003, 19:44: Message edited by: Hadrian Tyrael S. Aventine ]

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I wouldn't count on a ST Movie based on Enterprise.
The Series was on Australian Prime Time TV for the first episode, then moved to late showing with no notice and dropped out after about 6 weeks.

Of course, Australian TV has no idea what they are doing. The Last X-Files series started running with 2 episodes on Saturday night, then stopped for 4 weeks only to return either Friday night or Saturday night at 11pm, which ever day they deciede at the time, with no warnings and no mention of the show in any TV Guide. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

And no with you guys mentioning that Farscape has been dropped, they have started showing that prime time, twice a week.

But shows like Judge Judy - they wouldn't forget to put that crap on. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

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Farscape is coming back starting next Friday to the Sci Fi channel. Or has that been changed again?

They keep doing stuff like this and I might actually go out on Friday nights! I'd still rather see Farscape.

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Farscape was renewed for one final season, but no more unless is significantly grows beyond the initial audience.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Star Trek has always played its characters for cheap laughs.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Second best of the bunch, because its funny, and good star trek at the same time.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have a question for you. Why _wouldn't_ the Klingons know about Shakespeare?

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Star Trek IV: The Beginning of the End Horrible. Ridiculous. And to make matters worse, they resurrected the recurring thorn-in-the-side of Time-Travel (TM), the universal schtick of trying to make a movie interesting by introducing ludicrous plot devices that cause infinitely more problems than they solve. And here we first see our beloved characters played for cheap laughs. Unforgivable.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Second best of the bunch, because its funny, and good star trek at the same time.

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Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country A serviceable attempt to right the ship. Still playing characters for cheap laughs, but at least the overarching theme (cold war ends) was timely for once and fairly well done. Shakespeare spouting Klingons (how would they have even known about the Bard?) was again stretching credibility, but Captain Sulu to the rescue! That was a good touch, and fun to watch the Excelsior kick some butt. Extremely hokey ending, though.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have a question for you. Why _wouldn't_ the Klingons know about Shakespeare?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have to politely disagree with you on this one.
You can have occasional elements of humor without sacrificing the depth of your characters, and I think the original series (TOS) did a good job of relating that. The humor was unforced, just good-natured cameraderie between the crew, whereas in some of the movies, it appeared [to me] that several of the characters were just two dimensional props that were merely along for the ride, and to provide the occasional cheap one-liner for meaningless laughs. You could say they were "Hollywood-ized", if you will.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just got annoyed with the Time-Travel (TM) stuff first, then Shatner's increasing buffoonery continued the slide. Different types of humor for different folks, I suppose.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, my thoughts on this would be:
1. They are from a different planet, therefore do not share the same cultural history and references (e.g. Shakespeare)
2. Their interaction with the Federation to that point in time to my knowledge was limited to episodes of occasional skirmishes to outright war, conditions that don't seem to lend themselves to a rich cultural exchange.
3. They had been portrayed (especially in TOS) as gruff and warlike, or at least aggressive, people, not really the kind that would take much of an interest in xenos literature.

Again, these are all my opinions, YMMV
(your mileage may vary)
Cheers,
DarkHorse

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[ January 02, 2003, 04:35: Message edited by: DarkHorse ]

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heres my picks for each series in order of preference.
Star Trek: TOS

ST2: Wrath of Khan - best of them all. it was like a long episode.

ST6: Undiscovered Country - enjoyed the action and basic plot. liked the references to the tv series (ex. refering to the enterprise as a garbage scow like they did on the episode with the tribbles). could have done without the Shakespeare Klingons though. a good attempt at tying loose ends btwn the series, books and comics. Plus it explains why the Federation and Klingon Empire are semi allies in TNG.

ST4: Voyage Home - despite the improbability of the whales being that important and the continuing use of time travel as a plot, i still think this was a good movie.

ST3: Search For Spock - genesis effect on spock was a bad idea but hey it brought him back. i like the stealing of the enterprise and the combat over the genesis planet(what little there was). i enjoy the techno redo of the startrek theme on the cd/tape.

ST: The Motion Picture - at the time i was just glad to see anything for startrek.

ST5: There was no such movie! It never existed.

Star Trek: TNG
ST8: First Contact - good plot (minus timetravel) and it had made a point like they tried to do with TOS.

STX: Nemesis - despite what everybody says this was a good movie. it tied up loose ends from the series (ex. troy and rykers wedding and ryker finally accepting a captains chair). i enjoyed the action sequences even if not in the style of star trek. they tried to do what they did with Undiscovered Country.

ST7: Generations - an attempt to hand the torch to the new series. i like Mcdowell he makes a good bad guy and evil good guy. plus they kill off shatner (not kirk but shatner), that makes it a good movie regardless of anything else.

ST9: Insurrection - i dont remember much of this one. maybe one day i will go back and watch my dvd.

next movie? i dunno but most likely not Enterprise as it is a current series and if it flops then they wont make a movie about it anyway.

BTW. February 25th DS9 season 1 comes out on DVD.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually, I think Darkhorse was more-or-less correct. Except, I myself like ST-IV more than he, I liked the light hearted humor.

ST humor was ruined *after* ST IV, now they just try too hard to add humor.

As for the next movie, as long as the movie makes more than it costs to produce, they'll make another in a few years. What cast? Well let's look at the facts:
- Paramount never really liked DS9.
- Voyager ended and Janeway is an admerial now anywyas.
- Enterprise is, so far, still in series production.
- A new crew would be a major gamble, I doubt Paramount would risk that very soon. (New writers would be a better choice!)

Anyhow, UNLESS Paramount changes the people running the ST franchise, I predict it'll be one of these possibilities (or very simular to):
- They will cook-up some reason for Riker and Troy to be on/near the Enterprise so everyone will be there like old times.
- Paramount will go cheap, Pickard and remaining crew without Riker and Troy. (no great loss)
- OR Riker and Troy under bid the contract and it's about them with a few of the old crew too. They'll cook-up some reason for Riker and wife to be near the Enterprise.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Most of the world doesn't share western culture, but I still saw footage of a Santa Claus driving through Baghdad this Christmas.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shakespeare is hardly classified material though,
and I would expect TOS Klingons to enjoy it for its entertainment value, as they aren't that dfferent culturally from the U.S.S.R.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The Klingons of TOS were definetly not the brainless berserker Vikings that B&B turned them into, especially post TNG. They were intelligent and scheming, and would have liked to understand their enemies better.