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Combat Mission
Avernum
Tigers On the Prowl

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What do you need another game for though? You have SEIV http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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though some say you cant get enough of it i know thats not true so variety is always a good thing.

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Steel panthers is really fun. Used to play it alot a couple of years ago.
Now the basic game is free as stated below, previous it was a full price game. Both single player and multiplayer. http://www.matrixgames.com/games/WorldAtWar/

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I just looked at this and I was all set to download it... until I noticed it was a - get this - a 430 Meg download.

Yep 430,000,000 bytes of info!

I only have a 56K modem - about 15 Meg/hour on a good connection. 430/15 = about 30 hours!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

NOT BY ME - NOT IN THIS LIFETIME!

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Yep, Steel Panther World at War is to my opinion the best tactical wargame you can get.

AND IT IS FREE !!

What you must pay are the Mega Campigns, some dynamics add on campaigns retracing 6 to 10 months of a particular phase of the war. At the moment, there are 3 mega campaigns, one as germany in north africa, another with germany in 41 on the eastern front, and the Last one with US troops in guadalcanal. So far, north africa was a bLast of mobile warfare, eastern front was a bloody and harsh struggle and I am still in close combat in guadalcanal with US troops fightings japonese, climat and diseases. I bought all these more than 1 year ago.

Speak about longevity. Matrix is another company doing some great job.

You'll also find good forums with plenty of map/scenarios designers, willing to help and nice to newbie.

The only thing that may be a problem for Matrix is their Art Of Wargaming forum, which is a free for all place where extreme opinions are very frequent. I fear this particular forum could be a nuisance to Matrix's reputation. But I maybe wrong, and that does not change the fact that Matrix game does some great games I love to play as much as SE4.

Let's just say it is a very good thing that widely different opinions has been expressed in SE4 forum without harsh or hate words.

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Another way is to use a download manager. That way it downloads in the background everytime you go on-line. It might take you some weeks but eventually you'll have it at home. I used to do that when I had a modem in the pre-historic age http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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I have to start by saying that I love strategy and micromanagement. To that end, this game, Knights and Merchants, from a German publisher, really impressed me. The story is rather linear, on the first Version, but was still really fun to play (and difficult). I enjoyed it enough that I bought the sequel and it is written all in German which I do not understand. The sequal allows for single scenarios, mutiplayer, and a new linear campaign. I know Amazon sells it, might be found elsewhere as well.

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Steel Panthers looks ok. Reminds me of one of my all time favorite series: Close Combat.

Are there any games like Close Combat out there that I am unaware of?

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Go to Crisium.com and get the Stars! demo. You'll love it. It's a 4X grand strategey game, but it's a little on the low tech side. the full Version has up to 26 tech levels in 6 fields, and huge 16 player galaxies. After playing it you'll cry because they haven't released Stars! Supernova Genesis.