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Welcome to the SE4 Ratings System, Parasite !

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You should look into storing the stats in a database (such as MySQL) so that Users can sort them by various means (via a scripting language such as PHP).

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I wish I had the education to do so, the time to do so, and the money to buy Dreamweaver. Oh, and a wife who wasn't irritated when I embarked on yet another item that takes time away from us.

But, one of these days... *looks off into a distant golden sunset...*

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">PHP and MySQL are both open source, which means you can download PHP and MySQL free of charge, as well as readily finding the official MySQL and PHP ducumentation Online, also free of charge. As you can write PHP in just about any plaintext editor, and embed it into the HTML you already have, all it would take is the time to download, install, learn enough to produce the DB and interface, and then the time of actually setting it up (which would be subsumed in the task of learning).

Time is about the only thing you'd need to come up with.

[ August 22, 2003, 22:39: Message edited by: Jack Simth ]

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I believe your webhost has to support php also for it to work on your pages. Yours might and you just aren't aware.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It's supported (1 DB limit).

I didn't realize it was open-source (shows how much I know about it). But, as I said, spending the time to learn it and incorporate the changes is something I don't have time to do right now. Also, please see note about wifey (or, the "sergeant major" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ).

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">PHP and MySQL are both open source, which means you can download PHP and MySQL free of charge, as well as readily finding the official MySQL and PHP ducumentation Online, also free of charge. As you can write PHP in just about any plaintext editor, and embed it into the HTML you already have, all it would take is the time to download, install, learn enough to produce the DB and interface, and then the time of actually setting it up (which would be subsumed in the task of learning).

Time is about the only thing you'd need to come up with.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Tks loads for the links, Jack! I'll go take a look.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Have fun.

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I'll add a page to the site tonight to show games in progress that have players being rated. This will serve to echo confirmation.

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Attention players who have indicated they are playing for a rating in a game:

I have gone through all the threads where people have indicated an agreement for the game to count as a rated game. Please check the site to make sure your game is listed. I have quickly thrown together an extra page to show rated games in progress (button on the Statistics page) or "Here" for your convenience.

Let me know if I missed anyone/any game. (not everyone sent me an email... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

PS: I'll add another report to sort by player name later and take a look at a 4-button layout for the pages. Right now, wifey is waiting for us to watch "Daredevil".

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Slynky - The games page looks good. You might need a link to it from the main page.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, I was in a hurry. That's why I mentioned a 4-button page design for later. Tks, though.

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Before I add this next player...let me see if I understand:

"Roanon", whose real name is Joachim, wants to join but he's NOT the same person as a "Joachim", whose real name is James. Have I got that correct?

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you can add pairs to the rating as well for tesco..

and i will report all future games against people in the rating as a game...

also perhaps you would like to make a page on your website where we can submit games that were playing in to be rated, and then the outcome....

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Slynky, there are games already underway with ratable players in them. Could they be used as rated games if the players agree?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, the SE4 Ratings System "belongs" to everyone and though I started off the rules, I will listen to (and consider) what everyone has to say to improve it and make it work well (and prohibit any cheating).

I don't see any reason why players in a game in progress who agree to have it count toward a rating should not be allowed to do so. So, unless I hear a reason why not, I think it's OK. I just need the game name and a confirmation from each player agreeing.

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Tesco! Whaddya say? Shall we enter ourselves to be rated in "Rifts"? I'm willing.

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The site has been updated to reflect:

Tesco being rated in the "Pairs" game; and
4-button pages to make navigation a bit more direct/easy.

Please check the Games page (games in progress that are being rated) to make sure I haven't missed a notification that you have a rated game underway.

Work in progress: A different sort on the games in progress to list games by the person. Makes it easier to find your name and see which games you are being rated in.

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Gecko and Gozguy are starting a KOTH game and both of us are in the Ratings system.
BTW I did not see/observe/or notice and way to indicate that you are in a rating game. Or is this the way to make notification?

And just a thought now that we have a Ratings system won't that affect in some way how players play in a game? The situation I was thininking about is when a much higher rated player takes on severl 'lower' rated folks and they gang up on the higher rated player. The reason I mention this is because I have seen it happen and that situation gets old fairly quick for the higher rated player. OTOH oh well thats the way the Space Empire crumbles.

Just an observation

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Note that the "me" in the above quote refers to Slynky (I think), not myself.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It's a good observation. I would hope it wouldn't happen like that and that positioning in the game would be what dictated what players did. Certainly, if the 2 highest rated players in the game are across the map from each other, it's difficult for them to gang up on, say, you if you are beside one of them.

Also, notice that I mentioned (well, if I didn't mention it, I meant to... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ) the best situation to play a rated game under was one-on-one. But, I didn't want to prohibit multi-player games. One must make the decision about whether to have a multi-player game count toward one's rating when one enters such a game. So, playing a rated game is entirely up to each person.

Thanks for mentioning it, however.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">To make sure you (and anyone else) understand the notification about being rated, if you and Gecko are starting a game and both of you would like it to count in the Ratings, then all I need is a message informing me from you and him. I prefer email but I have been using this thread as notification as well.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">To make sure you (and anyone else) understand the notification about being rated, if you and Gecko are starting a game and both of you would like it to count in the Ratings, then all I need is a message informing me from you and him. I prefer email but I have been using this thread as notification as well.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I am OK with K.O.T.H. GozGuy vs Gecko being a rated game, assuming I win of course. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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I joined to the Pairs game and I'd like to be rated of course.

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Added Asmala to Pairs and a KOTH game for Gozguy and Gecko. Have I missed anything?

Just a reminder:

(1) The loser must report the loss; and
(2) For multiplayer games, remember there must be one clear winner (either by death or by mutual agreement in cases where players have worked together to achieve victory.

We only have 18 players in the rating system. I was hoping for 25-30. There are a lot of good competitive players out there who I thought would jump at the chance to see how they rate. It's not KOTH (which has its own special magic) but it's a good way to see you skills rated.

Well, anyway, give it some thought, guys.

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Grandpa Kim Rifts... are you crazy.... its 100 turns in.... ( I will have to think about that one )_

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Think Loooooonnnnngggggg and hard, Tesco. There are plenty of opportunities to get rated.

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Welcome to the SE4 Ratings System, Roanon and Chronon.

Added Primitive to be rated in the Pairs game.

Good luck to all !

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Don't forget Cybersol for the Pairs game, as per the email I forwarded to you.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, I'm going to add him in just a bit. I saw you message about him after I had done the update this morning.

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Welcome to the SE4 Ratings System, Cybersol !

Also, have added you the list of players in the Pairs game competing against each other for Ratings.

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To anyone concerned:

I’ll be unable to update the site and process Ratings-related information from Friday till Monday afternoon (I’ll be at Dragon*Con all weekend).

I'll get them when I get back.

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Since I "frequent" the KOTH thread a lot, I took note of the Geoschmo/Primitive game and posted the results to the site.

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Right were I belong. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Just the first game, Geo.

Besides, if Georgig has his way, I'll be down there with you. Hard to tell, though. He did some damage to me in our game but hasn't decided to come through the hole to my next system, I guess, till he's sure of having enough ships.

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You can turn off the rating display if you wanted to.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

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Slynky, include the "SE4 Ratings Game I" into rated games list, please.
Players: BBegemott and Geoschmo.
Thanks.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, and to make it more confusing Roanon real name Joachim did me a favor and took over my empire while I was on vacation after Joachim real name James asked me to stay in the game. I was just as confused as you for a bit.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks Slynky and Baron Grazic. Hehe, my Pairs partner is the #1 rated player http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Maybe that will make it even against Asmala and Tesco...

Cybersol

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I'm back from Dragon*Con.

I'll update the Ratings site with new members and games today (9/1).

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Please check the site to verify I have all the updates posted.

Note: I added the "SE4 Ratings Game I" to the list though it's not be verified by Geo. I'm assuming Geo intends it to be rated by virtue of joining such a game with such a name ( http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ). I do prefer acknowledgement by both players to avoid any problems when the game has been resolved. But I trust Geo to be an honorable player and NOT say later that he never agreed in a message.

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Welcome to the SE4 Ratings system, Gandalph and Deccan!

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">KOTH Roanon vs Primitive http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">KOTH Roanon vs Primitive http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">My mistake. Apparently I'm trying to recover from the 3 days of Dragon*Con and can't remember to use the info from the message in my inbox! Too many scantily-clad girls in fantasy costumes took its toll and now I'm delerious.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Pictures, we want pictures. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Pictures, we want pictures. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Dude! It was awesome! Perhaps I should do a tease and see if anyone else is interested.

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I've updated the site to show the latest change in Ratings: Primitive and Roanon.

Here, you'll notice how the formula works. At a rating 1000, Primitive received 16 points for winning his first game against a player with the same amount of points. Then, playing as a player with 1016 points against a player rated at 1000, he only received 15 points. That's the beauty of this rating formula. Higher Ratings are expected to win and if that occurs, there are less points earned (and lost). On the other hand, if a lower rated player wins, both will win/lose more points.

While we know there is more luck involved than chess Ratings, where the formula comes from, in the long run, better players will generally have a higher score. And, when these high-rated players play someone with a much lower score, BECAUSE they are expected to win, they gain less points.

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While you are hard at work, you can add KOTH Baron Grazic vs Primitive.

And please stop reminding people that there is an extra bonus for whacking me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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I'll give whacking Primative a go... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sorry, I always forget to notify you. But yes I do intend it to be rated. And Bbgemont does as well as that was the precondition I set for whomever wanted to join the game against me.

Geoschmo