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show me the hard data.

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There is no such thing as telekinesis.

Science would be impossible since results of experiments will depend on experimentator mind.

Do you think people did't look very hard on the measuring devises when another brilliant theory goes bust ? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Some experiments are done with extreme accuracy and regardless of the obserever, results are the same.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It wasn't meant to be an insult. That was not my intention at all. I was just trying to point out that most peoples conecptions of such things are, whether we want to admit it or not, based mostly on what we absorbed from comics and cartoons while growing up. When looking at strangeness in the real world we often hold it up to the benckmark of out disappointed adolescent fantasy and, obviously, find it lacking. This makes it easy to dismiss things out of hand. The actual phenomena are usually quite disappointing. Things like telekinesis are usually completely uncontrolled, and therefore exceedingly difficult to use in an experimental setting. Even when it does occur it is usually uninspiring ("Oh, look. That book just fell off the coffee table... Yippee!!!").

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I didn't say that I had the hard data, only that I have seen the hard data. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif I have my notes from the course and such but I do not have copies of the research. I did, however, see the results of much of the research and am aware of some of the theories based (at least in part) on that research. Some of my profs theory is that "psi" phenomena are electromagnetic in nature (or at least manifest that was) and are strongly affected by the earths geomagnetic field (GMF). So much so that during times of GMF flux (such as during a solar flare) the occurrence of psi phenomena plummet. Conversly, the occurrence of hauntings (also a GMF phenomena) skyrockets. Looking at records of "psychic" type incidents going back @100 years seems to hold this theory up.

Anyway, enough typing for now.

EDIT: spelling

[ September 17, 2003, 22:18: Message edited by: QuarianRex ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif I got some hard data for ya http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif When I was younger, a few years ago, was my late 30s http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif I wondered how come when I saw a hott woman OR there was a stiff breeze my pants tightened up, I really THOUGHT that was Telekinesis, then I was asked to take a poll for Trekkie Nerds *sigh*, I am so confused http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

ohh, sorry, welll not really, I just couldnt help myself

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Please, spare me this nonsense. I work daily with magnetic fields 100000 stronger (750MHZ 1H Larmor frequency) then GMF, even at highset solar flare impacts and 100% sure all those results are utter and complete rubbish.

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I once saw a tv show where they actually studyied Star Trek Nerd, or Trekkies as they wanted to be called. You know the type, the people who dress up in starfleet or klingon uniforms and go around conventions calling each other Lieutenant or Captain Klawwwwww or something even worse.

They profiled over 2,000 of them and this is what they discovered. (As close as I can recall it)

"A normal average Trekkier is morbidly obease male of an average age of 30, poor hygine skills, low self astem, poor vision - requiring glasses, no significant other - most are still virigns, who reside at either their mothers home, or a dorm at a local college.

Most are incredibly intelligent, but lack people skills and are often sufforing from some mental disorder that limits their grasp of reality."

The show went on to show a bunch of people doing things that most of us would NEVER get cought doing. Did you know there are people out there that have learned to speak Klingon as if it was a real language and not just made up for the movies?

Hey I like the ships, thats all, ok the weapons too, but I would NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS EVER dress up in a costum, out side of a party, and go out in public.

I just like the weapons and ships. Thats all.

[ September 17, 2003, 12:16: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">But was't it wonderful when Dr.Frasier spoke Klingon at bar mitzvah ? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Please don't discount something as rubish without seeing the evidence. And I never said that the intensity of the field was the determining factor. It seems to be the flux that has the disruptive/enhancement effect, not necessarily the intensity of the GMF. Solar flares and such are just what have the most impact. Also note that it is usually the pattern of the signal, not the intensity, that can cause the most change. For instance, using cellphones, theoretically, have a greater chance of causing cancer than living near powerlines. The powerlines may be much more intense but that is essentially white noise, easily ignored/adjusted to by the body. Cellphones, on the other hand, send out structured signals that, if encountering the right cell at the wrong time, could 'tell' it to start replicating like a madman (a.k.a. cancer).

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Oleg:

Where do you work by the way?

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so, would lifting a frog with a magnetic field be possible? would it kill the frog?

if we establish a baseline for the power needed for a relativily telekinitec feat...if the pro people want, we can use a pencil as the baseline. knocking a book of the shelf doesn't take a lot of energy.

and this has nothing to do with my adolesent fantasy's.

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No forms of "psi", no matter how small, exist in reality. I was not merely stating that stuff like what is in comics and movies was fantasy, but all of it. I have seen various forms of "evidence", and none of it added up.

Cell phones cause cancer is an urban legend.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Interesting how you state flat out that no form of psi exists on the basis that you haven't seen evidence for it that added up. No current evidence for A does not imply that A doesn't exist. While it is reasonable to doubt A, or to be suspicious of claims of A, your statement could readily be turned around: I have not seen any evidence that added up stating that humans have no currently unrecognized communication methods (one reasonable definition of telepathy). Do you have any proof that no forms whatsoever of "psi" exist? If not, why the utter denial of the possibility?

I did a quick search Online, and came up with an article that I suspect is one that QuarianRex alluded to earlier: Experiment description and analysis table

Edit: Hmm, the link isn't working quite the way I wanted it to; it takes you to the head of the article, not the table. I think I'll leave it anyway.

[ September 18, 2003, 06:43: Message edited by: Jack Simth ]

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i'll take a look at that stuff.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">University of Manchester. We use NMR spectrometers for study of biomolecules.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I think it has been done, but not sure. It is possible to generate very strong magnetic fields but for a short period of time and poor homogenity. The strength of NMR mashines is mostly restricted by the need of the uniform magnetic field through the sample, not the true capacity of the superconductor.

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guess my ability to make this thread about me and my funny joke didnt work, so I guess my mental powers are not great enough http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That joke was noted http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif It MIGHT be the most hard proof of telekinesis after all http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That wasn't quite what I was talking about but I am quite familiar with the ganzfeld procedure. I have even participated in some experiments that used it.

What I was refering to was the work of my psych prof Dr. Micheal Persinger. Do a google search on him (as I just did) and you will find a slew of articles. Take a look at a couple to get an idea of some of the specifics of his research. Beware though, a lot of the articles about him tend to have rather... creative... titles. His kind of work tends to attract those looking for a sensational story. Look for an article that actually describes the experiment, rather than one trying to ligitimize a crackpot theory or somesuch.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So are a lot of guys who spend too much time playing role-playing games. Their fantasy worlds have become more important than their real lives.