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Personally I can't stand Hollywood insider or movies like Traffic. They are pompous, preachy POSs. Or even better, remakes of old classics. The most recent offender is the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

Actually a harder question would be to name a recent movie that you WERE NOT disappointed by. It really seems that movies, and music, are being dumbed down to be unoffensive to the widest possible audience. Try a movie like Pearl Harbor where the Japanese really weren't the bad guys, just honorably misguided. It is really hard to make a good movie when the director has no opinion what-so-ever.

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the lord of the rings is good. but it helps that i was expecting it to be at least twice as good as the average movie and wasn't expecting it to be as good as the book...though i was hoping.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Ugh. Why couldn't we export something useful and worthwhile... like football? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Cause you know that being honorably misguided leads to things like the Nanking massacre and probably murdering more innocent civilians overall than the Nazis did...

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Cause you know that being honorably misguided leads to things like the Nanking massacre and probably murdering more innocent civilians overall than the Nazis did...</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Not to derail the thread, but let's not forget Stalin while we're making such a list...

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Cause you know that being honorably misguided leads to things like the Nanking massacre and probably murdering more innocent civilians overall than the Nazis did...</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">What really ticked me off about Pearl Harbor is that they weren't even trying to be historically accurate. I read or heard Michael Bay say that if you want to see an accurate portrayal of the attack, go see Tora!Tora!Tora! Why even make the movie then if that's your atttitude?

Also, call me crazy, call me mad, but after growing up watchint the Lost in Space series, I loved the movie. That's the kind of Lost in Space I've been wanting to see for over 30 years. None of that campy crap that the series had, but at least an attempt to put real drama into the franchise. I hope they make another movie.

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I don't think so, hitler was making a concerted attempt to kill civilians.

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Check your history. Hitler was focused and that is worth noting, but he was not the only monster.

Hell, forget history. Check current events or the events of the Last two decades. Genocide is still happening.

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yes, i know genocide is still happening. the current comparison is between hitler and the japenese in ww2.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">and its not an arguement worth having. suffice to say that the world is an ugly place, and people will continue to do ugly things to each other. nothing will be gained here by inciting people with comments about the behavior of the national socialist party or the largely anti-forigner attitude of the Japanese through history.

This is a perfectly good thread about bad movies, lets take the politics and history debates somewhere else.

and on-off-on topic, the bridge over the river kwai was a crappy movie and a poor historical representation. Last of the Mohegans, on the other hand, was great (though probably had a few inaccuracies of its own).

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Uh have you heard of the rape of Nanking (sp?) or what happened to Korea or the rest of China for that matter? Your telling me those japanese soldiers didn't make a concerted effort to kill civilians!?!?!

I personally still don't like the Japanese because even now they are all "We are genetically and mentally superior to the rest of the world." I mean granted Americans can be as arrogant as hell but i've only heard the racicst madmen comment on being genetically and mentally superior....especially when it's usually not even a Japanese scientist that makes the breakthrough it's just someone they funded http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif .

And besides that I've known a lot of Chinese and even some Korean people as friends throughout the years so it kind of sinks on when you hear their parents and grand parents described what happened in WWII.

Anyway....deep breaths....sorry for the rant....hope no one here takes personal offense.

NOW back to movies to bring things back on topic.
YOu know I heard Braveheart was a hit....I was shocked at just how stinking lame and innacurate that movie was I mean come on they made it look like braveheart rebeled against England over a woman...a WOMAN HE NEVER HAD!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif hehe.

P.S. I am an American so I know my country has made mistakes and on behalf of our nation I appologize for them ;-). And assure you the vast majority of us aren't ugly americans.

[ October 10, 2003, 23:43: Message edited by: Starhawk ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">To be fair, not all Japanese are racists/ethnocentrists. Most Japanese I know and have known never once referred me as an inferior race, even though I'm Korean.

Edit: Since this thread is going off-topic, in order to nudge it back, Let us post about this no further.

[ October 11, 2003, 00:00: Message edited by: TerranC ]

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For some sobering reading, check out this link Death tolls

Allthough all numbers are unreliable and metodes of estimation varies (some numbers counts secondary effects like starvation and disease, some don't)

Hitler outkills the Japs 2 to 1.
Lifetime "achievments" of both Stalin and Mao beats Hitlers easily.

Back on topic:
Every movie in history with a roman numeric in the title.
Except: Alien II and III and Mad Max II

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oh yeah, no one dies in unfathomable numbers like the Russians. speaking of which, didnt that sniper movie suck? the one about that fictional but widely publicized sniper duel in red square...

i think it was Behind Enemy Lines, or Enemy at the Line, or something like that.

in fact, im not sure that i've ever seen a GOOD sniper movie, much less a realistic one.

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I think the movie was "Enemy at the Gates". Never watched it, so.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That surreptitious sex scene with that actress from the Mummy was kind of hot though. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Did you happen to see an HBO movie called Shot Through the Heart (or something like that)? It was a sniper movie set in the Bosnian civil war back in the early 90's.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">So did UK and USA - Dresden for example.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That surreptitious sex scene with that actress from the Mummy was kind of hot though. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">oh yeah. i liked how they were all grimy through the whole movie, and the people sleeping two inches on either side of them didnt care enough to pay attention to what they were doing. a friend of mine saw the film with his Belarussian girlfriend, and she cracked up laughing in the middle of some dramatic scene, because the cyrilic graphiti in the background read "dog-dick" or something like that.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">How about The Day of the Jackal (1973)?
Unless one considers it an assassination movie.

Full Metal Jacket also has a good sniper episode at the end.

PvK

[ October 13, 2003, 23:57: Message edited by: PvK ]

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ah yes, i did enjoy day of the jackal - as well as the more recent bruce willis remake. though i would not consider those sniper movies.. what im looking for is a realistic treatment of long range marksmanship and fieldcraft.

and yes, i understand full well that those concepts dont lend themselves well toward exciting movies.

other hit movies that blew - god how i hated the sam ramie spider man movie! what a turd! bad computer graphics, Mary Jane was total trailer trash, and spiderman whined more than skywalker! i cant figure out why it was so popular! and I usually like ramie's movies, though im probably spelling his name wrong.

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well, i didn't have any preconceptions, all my spare money tending to head to games and books, so i don't have much or any to spare for comics.

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a person's brain distracts them from pain by thinking about trivail things. i can say for a fact that, in the midst of screaming, after doing something that wasn't well thought-out, my thoughts can center on the weirdest thing...even for me...

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">True, but that is one aspect of reality that leads to poor narrative.

Fiction or not, we are not especially entertained by accurate representations of the 'real world'. (no pun intended)

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">True, but some superheroes go beyond that. Spiderman is OK on my scale, he feels inadequate at times but always always ends the story coming to terms with himself (as in the movie). The worst offender would be the Cosmic Crybaby, aka the Silver Surfer.

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he lost his entire planet and spent years as a mind-slave to a planet devourer. doesn't he have things to whine about?

*Narf is pulling a Fyron*

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Apparently not.

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Um... in the comics, Spiderman also whines more than Skywalker. So what's the problem ?

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I think anyone would sounds whiney and self-centered if you could hear their internal dialog. Or if their internal dialog were somehow represented in an external way.

This is typically something I bring up when we talk about Rand from the Wheel of Time series by Robert Jordan.

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I never answer Fyron's calls to argument because it's pointless, so I'll do the same here.

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Puke. The sniper vs sniper really happened in Stalingrad. The Germans sent in a regiment of their best snipers to take on the Russian Snipers.

There was a russian sniper who actually sniped with an anti-tank gun!

Another one who sniped with a motar.

The duel between the German officer and the Russian happened. As did the love story. But the girl was injured and removed from the front. Years later she finally met up with the love of her life but by this time he had married and had children. The german officer sniper was killed by a sniper named Vassili ( Not the general )

All this took place over a span of about 3 weeks around December of 42.

Hit movies that blow

Lucas movies, anything with will smith. A few of Mel Gibson movies suck but he is such a great actor. Really enjoyed signs and the We were soldiers.

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That sounds very interesting tesco. Do you have any links for more information?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I read the book Enemy at the Gates, and the whole story took only 2 pages in the book, but over 2 hours on the screen. I thought it was a good movie, but I've always been more interested in the Germans vs USA movies that have been coming out since the war started. Good movies like the Dirty Dozen, Kelly's Heroes, the Great Escape, Where Eagles Dare (where's the darn DVD?!!!!), and Battle of the Bulge have always been my Favorites.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">oh yes, there were really sniper duels in Stalingrad. But you are either a victim of Russian propoganda, popular mythology, or popular mythology resulting from propoganda. attend:

http://www.snipercountry.com/sniphistory.htm#Zaitsev

http://www.militaryhistoryOnline.com...ttenkrieg.aspx

though the love affair appears to have been real, the duel is a matter of dispute in historical circles. i have never found any credible evidence that it actually happened, and only fairly convincing evidence that it did not. therefore, i tend to sit in the camp that chalks it off as a work of propoganda.

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sniper history forgot ww1 Some great canadian snipers from that war. Umm if you can call someone great for sniping.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">LIke I mentioned earlier, if you read the book Enemy At The Gates, it does mention the duel, although it's very small part of the book. This isn't a novelization of the movie, but a book about the battle of Stalingrad, and was published in the 70's. You can probably find it at a library. My boss loaned me his copy to read. Very informative book about that battle. No wonder Hitler lost the war.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">and some astounding Finnish snipers from the 1939 winter war. shame about that little side show, the allies really gave the Finns the short end.