Re: OT: am playing D&D light and am having fun
 

Stewart Wieck (author of Mage) was a guest at one of our cons, and he's an OK guy. I've been curious about it ever since, but have other priorities for my oh-so-short gaming budget.

But then again, Mage doesn't really mesh into the World of Darkness, and there aren't that many Mage players out there (compared to Vampire players).

And I've never played a Storyteller-line game, not even once. It's like a glaring hole in my gaming history. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Re: OT: am playing D&D light and am having fun
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Erax, I'm sure there have been quite a few games come out since I stopped playing in the fall of 1993. I had to take on a part-time job and lost contact with my group. NOw I just play the occassional rpg on the computer. It's not the same, however. I miss the interaction of role-playing, even though I'm the shy and quiet type. I think that's one reason I like playing barbarians. I can grunt and then perform some death-defying act. Maybe if some of us who live in the Tampa area could get together....?

Re: OT: am playing D&D light and am having fun
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">all i saw was a couple of free adventure's.

Re: OT: am playing D&D light and am having fun
 

I've got the old White Wolf edition, and us it mostly as background for othe White Wolf campaigns, and an indication of the progression of style within the company, as that is the oldest White Wolf publication I can find.

Re: OT: am playing D&D light and am having fun
 

You should have looked harder:

Free Ars Magica

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well, it took me about an hour, but i finally did it - i rolled up my first character for D&D. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

if you don't think that's an accomplishment, you've never read all of the first five chapter's.

neither did i. round about the skills, i started skimming. a LOT of information.

if anyone is actually interested, meet Mr. Unnamed, a 1st level Ranger:

Str: 14
Dex: 15
Con: 13
Int: 13
Wis: 14
Cha: 10
yep, that was my first roll. no rerolls.
HP: 9
AC: 15
longsword, shortsword, longbow.

now, what's the Touch AC, the Flat-Footed AC, and all that stuff about what feats a ranger gains when choosing two-weapons and light or no armor that i ran into in the feats section but didn't see a peep off in the ranger section when i checked?

oh, and thanks deccan.

[ December 18, 2003, 23:10: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

Re: OT: am playing D&D light and am having fun
 

touch AC - no armor bonus
flat-footed AC - no agility bonus

ranger gains the Ambidexterity and the Two Weapon Fighting feats.
Details:
When fighting with two weapons, normally players suffer a -6 penalty to hit with each. (might be wrong on the numbers)
Two-weapon fightning reduces this to -2/-4 (with the 2nd one being the off-hand, choose yourself whether he is left or right handed). Ambidexterity nullifies the penalty for the off-hand, making it -2/-2, however the other weapon must be small I THINK

Re: OT: am playing D&D light and am having fun
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I think that book is "Job: A comedy of Justice" by Robert. A. Heinlein. Not sure, though.

Also, some good places in the Vancouver/Greater Vancouver area to buy D&D stuff: Pastime Games in Langly (I'm not sure of the address), and i know that the Coles bookstore in Willowbrook mall has the D&D starter kit thing, as well as several rulebooks (The 3.5 core ones, Book of Vile Darkness, Book of Exhalted Deeds, and Dragonlance Campaign Setting, Last I checked). You might also want to check any massive book store, I think the chapters in Metrotown (is there still a chapters in metrotown?) had most of them. Other than that... well, let's just say a friend and I once drove around vancouver from 9 AM to 6 PM looking for gaming stores, and found nothing but Warhammer.

Also, good Groups can be hard to find. A good idea is to find a bunch of internet friends, and use AIM (yeah, yeah, AOL's horrid, but they know how to make a messenger.), since its chat room has a dice roller. A good program to help with that stuff so that you don't have to keep the stats on a UBB is DMGenie (DMgenie.com) and Player Genie. Or, you could have players e-mail your sheets to the DM, who keeps them in a word processor (and players keep everything of theirs on their computers, too), and then the DM can e-mail out experiance point rewards, treasure hauls, and the like (assuming you have a good DM (who's willing to do that), that works well. as a mediocre (at best) DM, I usually just tell the PCs their rewards in the chat. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ). Try and schedual your games for a certain time each week, though. I've tried both unschedualed and schedualed, and I don't think an unschedualed game has survived more than a month.

Finally, the two weapon fighting chart (for 3.0, at least) goes:

Circumstances Primary hand/Off Hand
Normal Penalties: -6/-10
Off-hand weapon is light: -4/-8
Ambidexterity feat: -6/-6
Two weapon Fighting feat: -4/-8
Off hand weapon is light and ambidexterity feat: -4/-4
Off-hand weapon is light and two-weapon fighting feat: -2/-6
Both Feats: -4/-4
Off-hand weapon is light and both feats: -2/-2

sorry if the above is confusing (or formatted weirdly).

So, assuming your ranger is medium sized (the PHB races that are are Human, Elf, Half-Orc, Half-Elf, and Dwarf), then, with his longsword and short sword, he gets -2/-2 (short sword is light). of course, that's in addition to base attack bonus, strength bonus, etc, but your full attack bonus, as a ranger, should be +1/+1 (your strength negates the 2 weapon penalty).

...er. Hope I helped.

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thanks, Taera and Lurker. the only problem is, i don't see any ambidexterity feat in the feats list.
from the description of two-weapon fighting, it looks a little like they combined them. two-weapon now drops them both down to -4/-4 or -2/-2 if one is light. but my complaint is that not all the feats a ranger can get are in the class discription. like multi-shot at level 6, if armor is light or less. looks like Unnamed needs level to before he can put that shortsword to work, to.

well, i have internet freinds here, but nobody's said they're interested in a game...

[ December 19, 2003, 04:40: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

Re: OT: am playing D&D light and am having fun
 

You know, I seem to recall something about combining them when 3.5 came out. I personally prefer 3.0, mostly because I only just got used to it when they released 3.5..

At any rate, a ranger should be able to dual wield at 1st level.

The reason that not all the feats a ranger can get are in the class description is because the feats in the class description are gained just because you're a ranger. Unlike skills, class doesn't normally affect which feats you can get, (although weapon specialization is an exception), instead, the feats have prerequisites that seem to favor specific classes (like extra turning). The thing is, with prestige classes (specialized classes that have less max levels, and themselves have prerequisites), and multiclassing, for the most part, any character should be able to get any feat. (unless a character has Int 6 and the prereq is an int score so large that even if the character put his Ability score increases into Int every time he got one (every 4 levels) he'd still be too stupid to gain the feat. (although, with epic levels (beyond level 20), he'd still be able to get the feat eventually.))

Again, if that sounds confusing, it's because I'm insane. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Edit: Also, if you really want, i just started a campaign using the "play whenever everyone's on" method, and i'm teaching someone else how to play too, so if you want to play, gimme a shout, eh? (I play a bastardized combination of 3.0 and 3.5, though the ranger in my campaigns is the 3.5 one, just because the 3.0 one is horribly weak.)

[ December 19, 2003, 05:01: Message edited by: Lurker Above ]

Re: OT: am playing D&D light and am having fun
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">well, i'm not. never, have been, neveoh, i've got a lovely bunch of coconutsr will be.

well, a ranger gets multi-shot at sixth level because he's a ranger and sixth level, but it only says that in the description for multi-shot, not in the description for a ranger. i just wrote it into there.

so, your canadian, to, eh?

[ December 19, 2003, 05:05: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

Re: OT: am playing D&D light and am having fun
 

Hm... it should say so on the table for the ranger, under "special". Maybe.. (i'm not sure about this, remember I only have 3.0 rulebooks), doesn't the ranger get to choose whether to focus on 2 weapon fighting or bow? if that's the case, try looking under the entry for the focusing on bow, whatever it's called.

And, yeah, I'm Canadian. Vancouverite, currently stuck in surrey, though it's not as bad as the jokes would have you believe (for those who are clueless as to what I'm talking about, when you hear a Vally Girl joke in this particular part of Canada, it tends to be a Surrey Girl joke instead, mostly because the Trans-Canada highway goes right through the worst part of Surrey. (And the Fraser highway (I think) goes past a store called "Gold 'n Guns"). It's really kinda funny.

Re: OT: am playing D&D light and am having fun
 

ok, it does have them, in the paragraphs for other feats that you need to use before you get them. so i guess that's ok and i need to skim better. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: OT: am playing D&D light and am having fun
 

Heh, don't worry, for the first year after I got the PHB, I was completely clueless.

Re: OT: am playing D&D light and am having fun
 

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Amusment rating: 3 minutes, then back to Tetris.

Re: OT: am playing D&D light and am having fun
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">They only gain those 2 feats while wearing light or no armor. The secondary weapon being smaller than the primary weapon reduces its penalty by 2, but it does not have to be small.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Heh. I went and downloaded the game myself. I know I'll never get to actually play the game, but I couldn't help myself from making a character anyway, so here he is:

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">Deccan Silverhand (Age: 21)
House Merinita

Characteristics:

Intelligence 0
Perception 0
Strength -1
Stamina 0
Presence +2(+1)
Communication +2
Dexterity +1
Quickness +1

Abilities:

Faerie Lore (Faeries of the Air) 2
Faerie Magic 1
Magic Theory (Inventing Spells) 4
Organization Lore (Order of Hermes) 1
Parma Magica (Corpus) 2
Scribe Latin (Original Composition) 3
Speak Latin 4
Speak Gaelic (Slang) 4
Enchanting Music 2
Penetration (Mentem) 2
Atheletics (Grace) 1
Charm (Courtly Love) 2
Concentration (Spell Concentration) 1
Guile (Lying to Authority) 2
Brawling (Dodge) 1
Single Weapon (Shortsword) 2
Bows (Shortbow) 2
Play Lyre (Solo) 2
Sing (Ballads) 2
Storytelling (Romances) 2
Etiquette (Faeries) 1
Intrigue (Gossip) 1
Legend Lore (Heroes) 1

Virtues:

Faerie Magic +1

Gentle Gift +1

Faerie Blood (Sidhe Blood) +2

Enchanting Music +2

Venus’ Blessing +1

Flaws:

Deleterious Circumstances -1
Magic rolls at -3 when in the presence of blood.

Magic Deficiency -2
Level of Corpus Form is divided in half when used for any purpose other than studying that Art.

Incomprehensible -1

Soft Hearted -1

Enemies -2
Faerie enemies.

Load:
Shortsword -0.5
Shortbow -0.5

Total -1

Scores:

Initiative (Shortbow) 0
Initiative (Shortsword) +4
Attack (Shortbow) 0
Attack (Shortsword) +3
Defense (Shortbow) +1
Defense(Shortsword) +4
Damage (Shortbow) +4
Damage (Shortsword) +2
Soak -1
Combat Fatigue (Shortbow) 0
Combat Fatigue (Shortsword) 0
Encumberance -2

Magic Arts:

Techniques:
Creo 0
Intellego 7
Muto 7
Perdo 0
Rego 7

Forms:

Animal 0
Aquam 0
Auram 4
Corpus 0
Herbam 0
Ignem 0
Imaginem 7
Mentem 7
Terram 0
Vim 0

Spells:

Intellego Auram:

True Sight of Air 15
Whispering Winds 15

Muto Imaginem:

Taste of the Spices and Herbs 4
Notes of a Delightful Sound 5
Aura of Ennobled Presence 10

Rego Imaginem:

Wizard’s Sidestep 10
The Captive Voice 15

Intellego Mentem:

Perception of the Conflicting Motives 15

Muto Mentem:

Subtle Shift of Heart 10
Emotion of Reversed Intentions 20

Rego Mentem:

Coerce the Spirits of the Night 1
The Call to Slumber 10
Confusion of the Numbed Will 15
Scent of Peaceful Slumber 15</pre><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">

Re: OT: am playing D&D light and am having fun
 

Narf, if your going to have an RP group going about Online, let me know, i might well join it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif canadian, from Alberta, Calgary

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I thought you didn't like chatting Online? How can RPing be any better? You lose all of the atmospheric effects that are half the experience... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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Hey there, all this talk about D&D has got me thinking about these games again. But I don't care much for the 3 edition modules that you can buy.

I used to like browsing on the web for small little dungeon crawls, and I'd spice them up with the rules our group used to use. But a Google search doesn't lead me to anything like that anymore. Anyone have any links?

[EDIT]

Oh, I did find the RPG Archive {here}, and I guess this d20 is sort of an open source FRP, this is kinda what I'm looking for. But I'm really more interested in more of the old stuff.

[ December 21, 2003, 18:47: Message edited by: Arkcon ]

Re: OT: am playing D&D light and am having fun
 

it cant fyron, and please dont throw my own thoughts on me, but real D&D doesnt happen often (there is a lot of time from weekend to weekend http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ) and that might be a good time-passer

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well, i'll put up a thread and see if anyone's interested.