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well, musket's didn't have much of one. a good spear-chucker could probably out-range them. well, maybe not the bullet's total range, but it's effective range as far as hitting what your aiming at is concerned.

that might be his point.

[ January 08, 2004, 05:08: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Out of all the scripts they commissioned for Series II, only one made it to STNG. Any one remember the episode where the women changes into the Klingon devil and trys to claim ownership over an entire planet? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Actually, IIRC, two scripts were combined to make ST:TMP. But I still think it was a two hour remake of the Changeling episode.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The range of smooth bore muskets was utterly pitiful, not to mention the cloud that obscured visibility.

But what can you say, the certainly did kill those poor savages in great numbers and for what, gold. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Back in those days they were savages to killing them was "ok" by order of the church. Go figure, if you were to add up all of the deaths that have been "ok" in the name of God under some religion, you would discover you couldn't count that high in your life time.

I think religion was invented to thin the herd.

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God is the number one cause of death throughout history, afterall.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">again, it's ambitious leader's who were probably athiests and intollerance.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">again, it's ambitious leader's who were probably athiests and intollerance. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Many ambitious and great leaders, thinkers, doers, and etc had belonged to a certain religion, and some were even devout.

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Well, ya learn something new every day, I guess. I knew those old muskets were nowhere near as good as what we have today, but I never realized they were quite that bad. So the natives lost to fear and surprise more than they did to superior weaponry.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">indeed. and not all of them were evil. i might also point out that evil people tend to worship themselves.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">And to the steel currais that the conquistadors wore, which deflected arrows and spears rather well. And then the belief (initially) that they were ancient gods returned.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Most ambitious leaders throughout history have been rather religious.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">eh?

Well, it's only anecdotal evidence, but: Napoleon, Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan, Hitler, Stalin, Hussein (ambition there, not so much success), no really enthusiastic religion there.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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I was talking about the whole of history, not recent times. Atheism is much more accepted in the modern eras than it has been in ancient eras.

Though, Stalin and Hitler did kill a lot of people because of their religious views... my initial comment had nothing to do with the person in charge being especially religious...

[ January 09, 2004, 02:36: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Also, keep in mind that throughout history, there has been in general an inverse relation between religious devotion and tolerance.

[ January 09, 2004, 02:43: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">how do you measure religious devotion if people aren't killing each other over it? no, really. some merchant in 200BC makes 2,000GP, makes a record of it, tell me people aren't going to assume he wasn't religious if he doesn't include religeon in his financial records, which he probably won't. and how do you know his religious devotion isn't peacefull? i would say that during times of war is when religious retoric is used the most(keeping in mind that retoric just means arguments and is not a value judgement) so how do you get an accurate count of religious devotion when peacefull people are generally quieter about there religeon than violent people? plus, of course, in times of crisis, people will be more religious. they may lapse after, in which case it was need, not faith.

aside from all my other arguements.

[ January 09, 2004, 06:54: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

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I agree with Pinky here http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Saying that god is the caouse of death is as silly as saying its the guns fault... I didn't kill him, the gun did.

you have to remember that: The devil can always quote the bible to suit his/her http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif needs.

Yes people often used religion as an excuse for wars BUT whoever STICKS to the modern ideals of these great world religions (Islam, Christianity, Budism, Hinduism etc.) is a person who is peaceful and tolerant.

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It seems to me that the Spanish were rather brutal in their conVersion process. Anyone remember the Inquisition? It was convert or die. NOw, what kind of choise is that? Give up my god or go to face him/her/it? I'm glad we live in a more enlightened time (not counting the extreme muslims) and country (if you live in the US). At least most of us can choose our religion nowadays, instead of having it forced down our throats.

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You have missed the point entirely... I never said that all religious people are bad or anything of the sort. Or that "god" killed people. Difference in cultural values is most often what precipitates and allows wars to occur. Religion is a big part of that. Historically, people generally have a much higher tendency to accept wars fought specifically against "heathens" than against "normal people." Most wars throughout history can be traced back to having either a religious cause or high level religious support.

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and what i'm saying is that those were intollerant periods, not nessasarily intollerent religeons.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Don’t take this wrong, but the Inquisition was spread throughout Europe. Not to all parts, and even in the areas it happened it was not evenly applied, punished, tortured, um whatever. It is more of a Hollywood notion, the “Spanish Inquisition” (which I take it you are referring to) than to an actual Spanish only Inquisition as the name may imply, and thus mislead some. I hope this proves to be some good info, if not and you already new than just disregard.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Anyway back to the topic anyone? Trouble with Tribbles hands down. Where DID you send them Mr. Spock? The Klingons baby, yaaa, lets get grooovy!

[ January 09, 2004, 19:44: Message edited by: President Elect Shang ]

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Star Trek 6 directors cut is coming out Jan 24th...

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My favorite was the one where the captain got split in the transporter into good Kirk and bad Kirk. The best part of that episode was when they had the big fight in engineering. It got so hard to switch seamlessly between Kirk, Kirk, Stuntman A and Stuntman B that it was almost like they stopped trying. "Hey wait, that's not Kirk. Wahhh?!?" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Speaking of engineering, what purpose did those white PVC pipe thingys serve other then convienent bats for Kirk to pull out and wack someone over the head with at the end of the fights? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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"Naked Time" - if I have the name right on the episode. Spock getting the "seven year itch", T'Pau, the lyrpa...and of course, the greatest fight music ever created. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif "Trouble With Tribbles" also gets the nod as a more comedic episode. Harry Mudd was a great recurring character. And the alternate universe..."I have many operatives, and some of them are Vulcan". Set the standard for all parallel universes being evil and having beards. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

I liked Doomsday Machine because there was a ship crewed entirely by Vulcans, and the illogic of such a weapon was beyond their understanding.

In TNG, "Rightful Heir" and many of the episodes positively focusing on Worf. The Borg shows are great, "Hugh" was a good twist, but I'd even add in the McCarthy-like trial episode. That one got me watching and enjoying TNG.

I do enjoy Enterprise. This past week's was a good one. I wasn't sure until the end if the show was going to end with the Zendi as diverse and divided (some even being unaware of the war), or if it was going to swerve us and have that Zendi character deliberately leading Archer astray.

[ January 09, 2004, 20:00: Message edited by: Cheeze ]

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There were so many good episodes of Star Trek the original series that even today kids seem to enjoy watching them. They all gripe about the special effects, but overall the stories are solid and enjoyable.

What I loved most about the old series was the cool toys they had. Those tri-corders, phasers, and communicators were just fricking cool.

The show was decidedly more military oriented than later series and I think that is also why it has such a unique feel to it.

The series also seem the most real to me. They had batteries onbaord the star ship when things went south. Thing broke, engines overheated, circutes blew out, people died.

To mean TOS represents the way thing could be, without thefuncky costumes that is, if we are lucky enough to expand our technology and move out into the stars.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Already got it reserved. Can't wait to see the extras on this one.

Cheese, the episode where an all Vulcan ship, the Intrepid, was involved was not the Doomsday Machine but the Immunity Syndrome. Although the Doomsday Machine is a good episode. It introduces us to Matt Decker, who's the father of the Decker we see in ST:TMP. Spock getting the "seven year itch" was Amok Time.

But you're right about the TNG Worf/Klingon episodes. They were among the best of the series, and I wish they had made more of them.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Any religion that claims it is the one true religion (such as all monotheistic religions to one degree or another) is an intolerant religion. There are very few tolerant religions out there.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Hmm... I find 95% or more of them to just be corny stories...

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">A religion is not intolerant simply because they beleive they alone represent the singular true religion. As long as they acknowledge that all human beings are endowed by their creator with the freedom to choose right from wrong for themselves, and do not feel that they have the right or duty to compel others to follow their beliefs. A religion can believe that I am wrong, and as long as they leave me be, or at most simply express that opinion to me, and leave me to decide for myself whether they are correct, I would define as tolerant.

By your definition Fyron you are extremely intolerant yourself. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ January 09, 2004, 22:42: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

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Yeah... that is nice on paper, but more often than not fails to hold up in the real world (especially when you look at historical events, not just the past few decades).

How am I intolerant by my own definition? I do not interfere with people following whatever religion they arbitrarily follow (or for those very select few that actually "shopped around" for their religion to find the one that suits them best, whatever they chose; although what they end up choosing is still fairly arbitrary, based on how they were raised to think and all...). This does not stop me from discussing such issues, of course, any more than your views stop you from discussion.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I was not talking strictly of religion, but of your tendency to have firmly held positions on various subjects. You believe you are right and others are wrong. There is nothing wrong with that, and nothing wrong with discussing topics of disagreement. But according to your definition it's not neccesary for the religions to interfere with others of differing beliefs to be labled as intolerant, simply that they only accept one Version of the truth and reject all others as false.

By that definition of intolerant, you are. For that mater by that definition of intolerant, everybody is. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">toleration is required of opinions and people. respect is only required of people and to a lesser extent, animals. to an even lesser extent, objects.

that Last bit wasn't required.

[ January 10, 2004, 07:23: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

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Well..I was surprised to see so many answers to my topic...nearly half of it answered what i was asking..So i repeat it ! :

WAS WAS YOUR FAVORITE STAR TREK EPISODE ?
Thanks !.. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

If you wanna talk about religions just start a new thread please.. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Don t take it personnaly but i need stats for a new site of mine about the original Star Trek serie !

Thanks for your comprehension !..

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One DS9 one I always liked was worf's Batcholar Party. The scene when Worf asks if some one will offer their blood and everyone steps back except for the good doctor. Loved that one. THat was one of the funniest ones ever. Just written for the hard core fans...


I am currently watching STar Trek 3.
I really like that one. THe music is so moody. And L.M. directed it very well. The scene with the mind meld with kirk and sarak. With the clock ticking in the background....

"And don't call me Tiny"

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Kirk to McCoy
"How many fingers am I holding up."
McCoy to Kirk
"Thats not very damned funny."

Excelecior to Mr. Scott
"What Level?"
Mr. Scott's Reply
"Up your shaft."

"My god man with ears like those." - McCoy

Kirk
"My God Bones, what have I done?"
Bones
"What you always do. Turn death into a fighting chance to live."

Ahhhhh the memories. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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"No, I'm from Iowa. I only work in space."

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

My favorite DS9's were anything with Evil Kira. Major Kira was hot already, but Evil Kira...growllll. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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Ok heres what i think of the ST series.
(disclaimer: ok I'll admit I like special effects)

TOS (The Original Series (or as i see it The Old Series))
I only saw these Last like at least 10 or 15 years ago. Can't say much except they at least created Star Trek.

Movies
Love the third movie, I have it on tape. The rest are not of any interest except NG, particularly First Contact and Ive never seen the first one or Nemesis.

Next Gen
Any episode exploring the Klingons. Later episodes as well. I think the effects, sets and costumes get better near the end (of course). Its funny that in early NG episodes its a big battle when Enterprise fights Warbirds or 3 Birds of Prey, at the end of DS9 its 600 vs 1200.

DS9
Gets better in the Last few seasons as they have the war. Ok, so some people think DS9 is a rip of B5. If DS9 is a copy of B5 then its a superior copy. Kudos to B5 for the idea of a 5 year arc and great effects, particularly mass driving Narn into the stone age. hey I recorded every episode at the time, and still find the tapes with old episodes on them, not something i did with DS9. But go back to the beginning after you have seen the whole thing and laugh at the sets, costumes and acting. We have a B-grade actor, a semi porn star, an ex-stockbroker, and a child star. At least Deleen has a Yugoslavian Oscar. Oh and great job killing off a character to save a character who goes and leaves the show straight away. Yeah i know most of the budget was on the great CGI battles. Remove the suspense after you know the plot and the episodes have nil watch again capacity (cue B5 fans saying, but you see something you missed before each time you watch). Finally I must note my displeasure at the battles at the end of DS9. Where i live we are at least 2 years behind in showing (apparently the local network puts it on but doesn't care about it, 1 o'clock in the morning) so i saw each episode on video once the war started. I looked forward to great effects during the final battle and what do we get, clips thrown together from previous episodes.

Voyager
I liked any episode with the Borg. Liked the Temporal weapons episodes as well. Kes is just someone who happened to be around in the first year or two.

Enterprise
So far great again. Favourite episode is the one with the Borg. Great to see Archer and the others getting their comeuppance from the Borg,("Lets save those poor scientists", well Archer lad fat chance of that). Bad how Phlox can remove nanoprobes even though they can't do it in another 200 years, still the requirements of the plot takes precedent. Theres always a chance some merchant vessel will find those 2 Borg like Lore was found (as if thats going to happen). I hear Archer loses his dogoodness against the Xindi and is willing to do anything to stop them. Trip should not lose his hatred for what they did. I look forward to the episode where the planet killer is destroyed at the Last minute (and hopefully malfunctions wiping out the Xindi)

and now to get off topic.

some people are going on about people being killed in the name of God etc. Someone brought up their view of the Inquisition. Heres mine if the discussion is open.First my father is protestant and my sister happens to be orthodox. Stories of the cruelty during the Inquisition are stories made up by protestants to discredit The Church. Ok, some people may disagree, thats their view, this is mine. Hey, I saw it on a TV documentary so it must be true, right. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Tolerance?

My grandpa was Catholic and married a Protestant.

They raised my father Catholic, and my aunt Protestant.

My father married a Protestant.

All 5 of us boys were raised Catholic. (no girls)

I married a Protestant and have 2 sons.

When my sons grow up, I hope they marry a member of the opposite sect.

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It's true, and a possible solution for all the Irish.

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Being part Irish and part German, I just want to get drunk and conquer the universe.

[ January 11, 2004, 14:46: Message edited by: Wardad ]

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Guys, let's repsect Boromeo's wishes and move the tolerance discussion to another thread, if anyone is interested in continuing it at this point.

Geoschmo

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I saw the "ceasefire" episode of Enterprise first time today. Very nice shots of Vulcan and Andorians ships !!

Atrocities, can you tweak Andorian shipset and include some ships similar to Andorian's ships shown in this episode ? They seem more like whales, not birds http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

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The problems with having a 3 year old who refuses to go to bed at 8:00 like we want him to. I've only seen 1 1/2 episodes this season. Borg???? Definitely missed them, but it was Q who off-handedly let the Borg know about the Federation and the Alpha Quandrant. If it hadn't been for that, it might have been a couple hundred more years before the Borg to that area of space. And as far as the Xindri, again, I've missed those episodes. Even though I haven't been able to afford to buy any of the Star Trek dvd collections (all over $100), I might somehow save the money to buy the ones for Enterprise when they come out, as I'm so lost I don't know what's going on. Speaking of Enterprise, of the ones I've seen, my favorite is the one where the 3 Vulcans crashland in 1950's America and have to live there for awhile. I'm hoping they show the fate of the Vulcan who stayed behind.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That was pretty much my reaction as well when I heard they were doing that. What they did was never mention the borg by name, like the Enterprise episode with the Ferengi if you saw that one. We the viewers know who they were, but the people in the episode don't.

What it's supposed to be is the Borg Sphere that went back in time in the Star Trek First Contact movie didn't actually disintigrate in space like we thought, but part of it stayed together long enough to crash land at one of the polar regions. There buried in the ice it laid dormant until discovered by scientists during the time on earth when Archer's Enterprise was making it's voyage.

One of the scientists get's assimilated and takes off in a warp capable ship and leaves earth. Presumably to return to the Delta quadrant and tell the current Borg to come and assimilate the pre-federation earth, although we don't really know that. Archer is ordered to intercept the ship and...ah, I'll leave it at that so you still have some suprise if you happen to catch it in reruns. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Geoschmo

[ January 12, 2004, 13:58: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

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Thanks for the info on that episode. I'll try to catch the rerun, but even though they show the repeats in Tampa on Saturday nights at 10:00, it's still hard for me to catch them then.

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my favorite star trek episode's are now the five-minute ones.
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Where did that come from, Narf?

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well, i got it from another thread: http://www.3sygma.com/fiveminute/

[ January 12, 2004, 19:39: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

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well, five-minute voyager was fun, but i decided to move on.
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My fav episode is "The Sacrifice of Angels" from DS9. This is only because of the massive battle between the Federation/Kilngon and Cardassian/Dominion fleet though.... I always enjoy watching two galaxy-class cruisers destroy a galor-class cruiser http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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I still like the fleet battles in Babylon 5 and its movies better myself, but those battles in DS9 were certainly good. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Ya could you imagine how lame those battles would have been had they all been done with models.

The Last Star Fighter really set the standard into motion and man how it has come from that to what we whave now. I really wanna work in this industry, 3d graphics, but all the I have read about the industry says that it is a cutthroat, backstabbing, politically angled, every weasle for himself industry. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Why can't we all just do what we want to do for a living without all of the office/high school/childish brat, cry baby, yuppy, ultra liberal BS?

Why?

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Erm... don't be so quick to label that stuff as "ultra-liberal"... it does not go anywhere on the (limited and useless) political scale.