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A most interesting read.

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ok, some people have to much time on there hands.

wait a minute...*takes a good look around*

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That was a scholar, not a slacker, Narf. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

And that was a great read. Thanks, Gravey.

[ January 09, 2004, 00:27: Message edited by: Loser ]

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that was a joke.

and, yes, it was a good peice of scholarship.

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Yeah, Tolkien's intention with the LOTR (+ Silmarillion etc) was to create some kind of fake mythology for Britain, since much of our Celtic heritage was lost with the various invasion of the first millenium. He drew on all kinds of other mythologies and blended them, just as real mythtologies borrowed ideas from one another. So it makes sense that his geography would have some kind of parallel with out own.

There's also been a lot of debate about where the "real" Middle Earth is, since Tolkien lived in quite a few different places in his life. There is a certain rivalry for the crown of "real middle earth" between Dorset (Where I live, and where Tolkien spent a lot of his life- there's a pub down the hill from me called the Tapp and Hobbit) and somewhere up in the Midlands. I also think he may have spent some time in NZ (I could be wrong about this) and that is one of the reason PJ shot the film there- apart from the varied spectaular scenry, of course.

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Ever since reading the Silmarillion, I kind of had Aule and Bombadil connected in my mind... that link just cemented that. Never quite made the Goldberry/Yavanna connection, but it makes sense.

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i always thought Goldberry was an elf.

[ January 09, 2004, 06:52: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Did he? I cannot recall that at all. Gandalf mentions that Radagast met him south of Bree with the message from Saruman to come to Orthanc for his counsel (ie give him the offer to join up with Saruman or else), but Radagast was in human form and rode off on a horse, not as a moth. Radagast was chums with lots of birds and beasties (including the eagles) but I dont recall he could change into their shape.

As to the trolls, I'll beg to disagree that the book portrays them as fat grunting blobby things. Certainly, I cannot imagine the LOTR movie trolls having a lucid discussion about how to cook dwarves as per the hobbit.

The trolls were also made by Sauron in mockery of the Ents. He didnt capture Ents and corrupt them, as he did elves to make the orcs.

Munchausen, I had forgotten about the Byzantium/Gondor analogy. I recall reading that and I must admit, it does appeal.

Good read that. I always believed that Bombadil and Goldberry was a pointer back to the nature spirits the Saxons and Angles believed lived in the woods and the waters. Powerful beings that you did not worship, but paid heed to.

[ January 09, 2004, 08:17: Message edited by: Growltigger ]

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I don't think it is meant to be Radagast, but that might explain how that little fluttering moth always gets places ahead of the eagles...those birds can move!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

I had read something that concluded Bombadil was Iluvatar, but Aule makes more sense this author examines the stories. Funny that the dwarves have had enough interactions with him to call him Forn...but they have no idea he is their creator! This paper was very nicely done. Old Tom always seemed to be lot more than just "a merry fellow"!

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AT!


WHERE IS THIS HUGE DVD SET YOUR TALKING ABOUT>......

its killing me.

Answer the question

Please

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I think this is just a "hope" for a collection, not actual news of one. It assumes that if there is a way to make money someone will do it. If this is a true statement (at least in America maybe), then a combination set will be coming out.

I can't wait either. Discounting the first three seasons of B5, way over half my DVDs are of LotRs. Wide screen, Full Screen, Extended edition, Lord of the (G-St)ring, ect.

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4th season of B5 is out. Time to expand. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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The moth in the movie is not Radagast. In the book it's not a moth or radagast that comes to Gandalph on the tower. It's an eagle sent by Radagast to relay a message that ends up rescuing him. Radagast wasn't even aware at the time that Saruman had turned and imprisoned Gandalph. It was just a fortunate happenstance. In the movie they just turned it around and Gandalph talks to a moth that just happens to pass by and sends a message to the eagle himself.

Geoschmo

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Geo, that's how I remember it.

I like the bit in the movie however at the Battle of the Morannon where the moth wafts its way in front of Gandalf, and then two seconds later, Tora Tora Tora the eagles are diving in and giving the Nazgul a kicking. Artisitc licence maybe, but great cinema.

And loser, as an inveterate cat lover (I have three) and someone who dislikes dogs, I am choosing to abide by Atrocities' sentiments on his other thread, and not rise to the bait

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Actually I guess I shouldn't say definitivly that the moth in the movie does not represent Radagast. I don't know the intentions fo the screen writers afterall. But nothing that is shown in the movie would give you any indication that it is Radagast in insect form. And they never once mention him by name or othewise that I can remember.

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They dont in the movie. And he is only mentioned in the books a few times as being a member of the White Council, and one of the Istari - the 5 wizards being Saruman, Gandalf, Rhadagast and two "blue" wizards who went into the East apparently when they landed on Middle Earth.

Dont think the book ever tells you who made up the White Council either? save that it says it was Galadriel's idea to set it up, and that it was primarily by Saruman's expertise did they manage to drive Sauron out of Dol Guldur

I think all we ever find out about Radagast is that he lives at Rhosgosbel near Mirkwood, and is friend to animals and particularily birds (I assume the feathered kind). Doesn't take part in the War of the Ring, which I always thought was a bit strange for one of the Maia

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Some interesting stats on The Lord Of The Rings from The Rough Guide To The Lord Of The Rings, page 136. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

270,000,000 US dollars: to produce the motion picture trilogy.

12,500,000 pLastic rings: used in chain mail in the Fellowship Of The Ring.

1,600,000: times The Fellowship Of The Ring trailer was downloaded within the first 24 hours of its release on the internet.

25,000: the number of cricket fans used to create the war cries of the Orcs during the Helm’s Deep battle sequence in The Two Towers.

1,600: the number of latex ears and feet produced for the Hobbits.

274: the number of days of shooting it took to film the three parts of the trilogy, back to back.

66 lbs: the weigh of Gimli’s armour.

30: the number of pounds in weight Sean Astin had to gain for the role of Samwise Gamgee.

20: the number of hours the Helm’s Deep battle footage in The Two Towers Lasted before it was cut.

16: the number of months the shoot was spread over.

7: the number of months it took to build the Helm’s Deep battle set.

2: the number of hours it took Sean Bean (Boromir) to climb to the top of the snowy mountain set for The Fellowship Of The Ring. Everyone else went by helicopter but Bean is afraid of flying.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">what's a cricket fan and what does it have to do with orc war cries?

1,600? there weren't a quarter that many hobbits.

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that was on the extra cd's

Think a ball park and record the fans

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oh, that kind of fan.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">They had to replace the ears daily (sometimes more than once). Gelatin sort of stuff, melted easily.

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[Edit:] OT the OT topic

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">All Right! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Thanks, I will look for it. I have the VHS tapes I recorded, but I have less fear DVDs will go bad.

[ January 12, 2004, 16:14: Message edited by: Parasite ]

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Cricket fans did the orc cries during helms' deep? I will have to watch that bit again and see if I can hear some of them pesky uruks shouting "Howzat" or "Good shot Quentin" or something similar..

Cricket? more painful than having your haemmorroids caught round the U-bend of the loo

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um...how long is TTT directer's cut edition? just want to make sure i got the right one. don't include the bonus feature's when you give the length, just the movie.

[ January 13, 2004, 20:00: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It's 3:43 and totals four discs, 2 for the actual movie and 2 for the features.

Let me just say that the feautres in the extended editions alone are worth the price of the DVDs.

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ok, thanks.

it's about the same for the other 2?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">FoTR EE is 3:20ish and we won't know about the RoTK EE until it comes out later this year. The theatrical Version is 3:12 and rumours have the EE around 4!

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right, thanks.

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OK, here's a special LOTR treat for anyone with the bandwidth for 300 megs of download:

1- Go to http://compactiongames.about.com/gi/...p%3Fsection=et and download Return to Castle Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory for free. Activision is giving it away for free, so this isn't piracy. Install the game and the patch.
2- Go to http://www.thegameserver.com/et/downloads/etmain/ and download the mml-helm's deep map. Rename the file extension from .pk3.zip to .pk3 and copy it to your game's ETMAIN dir.
3-Run around a beautifully modelled (but not yet entirely complete) map of Helm's Deep, exactly as depicted in the film. It's all there: you can blow up the walls, climb the tower, run around the keep, slide down Legolas' surfing-stairs... every detail is there. The only shame is that you are fighting in WW2 uniforms, taking down the main gate with a tank rather than a batering ram and chucking grenades at Saruman's forces but it's well worth a look nonetheless.

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ROTK...

Nominated for 4 Golden Globe awards - wins all four.

Nominated for 11 Aca-duh-my awards - wins...?

(Given the Aca-duh-my's record, I'm not holding my breath...)

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It's Fantasy, so it won't get Best Picture.

Three kinds of movies can't get Best Picture: Fantasy (or Sci-Fi, same thing), Animation, and Foreign.

Of course, I could be wrong...

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Ain't that the truth. I still won't watch a Woody Allen film because one of his films got best movie for 1977 instead of Star Wars (I forgot which one right now). But I hope PJ does get best director. He deserves it.

Speaking of Jackson, I heard the other day that he will go back to Middle Earth and film The Hobbit. I don't know if this is true or not, but if it is, that would be great news. Can anybody confirm this? I stopped reading the sci-fi/fantasy movie mags a long time ago, and I don't have the time or inclination to scour the internet for such news.

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given that the new 1 and 2 have gotten bad review's, that might not be such a stretch.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">www.theonering.net usually has the scoop on these matters. From what I read there, the Tolkien estate is giving PJ a hard time about doing The Hobbit, because... well, I don't really know why, except they're Luddites.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">www.theonering.net usually has the scoop on these matters. From what I read there, the Tolkien estate is giving PJ a hard time about doing The Hobbit, because... well, I don't really know why, except they're Luddites. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Aren't Luddites anti-technology? I bet if they were given a butt load of money off of the profits of the movie, they might change their mind. Either that, or maybe they didn't like his interpretation of the trilogy? I hope he does get the rights. That would be an awesome movie, and if kept in the same tone as it was written, it would be more child-friendly.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">PJ has never been known for child-friendly movies, but as his kids get older he may mellow out a bit.

Anyways, here's an IGN news item that clears things up re: the Tolkien estate's attitude...

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">(full article here - http://filmforce.ign.com/lotr/articl...tml?fromint=1)

[ January 28, 2004, 14:51: Message edited by: General Woundwort ]

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Ok, thanks General. Doesn't sound too encouraging now, but if King Kong isn't out until 2006, then who knows what might happen between now and then. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

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the TTT dvd i got has a big problem - the day scenes are to bright and the night scenes are to dark. anyone have any idea how to fix this?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Are you running your DVD player through a VCR to your TV? This can activate the copy protection on some DVD players and cause the screen to go light and dark, light and dark.

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nope, we got one of those switch-thingy's to fix that.