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The French are perhaps one of the most confusing society of people that the world has ever known. I mean didn't they invented perfume so they wouldn't have to take baths? Is not true that they cry that they hate Americans yet they gave us the Statue of Liberty. I don't know. They claim to be a strong passionate people, and yet they seem to be the inventor of the word surrender. I don't know, I think the French are a great people, have a great country, and are amoung the finest allies any one could have, howver they do scare me from time to time and they do anger me occationally.
If their new friends the Chinese ever declar war on them, the French will have to learn to speak a new national language. I understand that the dominate chinese language (madaline (SP)) is very hard to learn. If the French go then goes Europe. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif (Just another mindless senseless rant courticy of Atrocities) [ April 06, 2004, 19:09: Message edited by: Atrocities ] |
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to be fair, no one really bathed in the middle ages. granted, they have been short on strategic leadership through most of history - but they did have that short guy with his hand in his jacket, and they were an imperial power for a long time, and we do sort of owe our independance to their military support.
i mean, George Washington had his *** handed to him by Canadians for pitty's sake, you think we could have gotten the British to leave without the help of the French? Its not like we beat them, either. We just got them to leave. The French really are not all that confusing, you are just only paying attention to the events and aspects of their culture that you wish to know about. Of course, I am a bit confused as to why they went to all that effort perfecting a loaf of bread that goes stale in about five minutes after leaving the oven. Day old bread in the rest of the world isnt a leathal weapon. |
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Its not the case of Europe (or France) going anywhere AT. Europe is old, Europe is stable, Europe knows when diplomacy works better than force. If USA and Europe (continues to) drift apart, its the US who do the drifting. Get rid of that warmongering president of yours and USA and Europe will be best buddies again. Its all up to you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif |
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old, yes. stable, fairly. factious, definitly. more stable than the US? probably.
Industrialized China a scary idea to the entire western world? better be! they're still miffed about losing the Opium War, you think its going to be a small world after all? I don't... but i digress. we cant all be happy and hold hands in a peacefull and diplomatic world. too many people stand to make money at the expense of others, and there are just as many of them on either side of the pond. different wars are profitable to different folks. when you dont stand to gain much from one, you are peacefull and diplomatic and the other guy is a warmonger. now, the average US citizen isnt gaining anything from the current conflicts, but they sure eat up the propoganda from the folks that are. and whats up with the thread-jacking! less political rhetoric! more super-weapon rhetoric! has everybody seen the new aluminum high speed catamaran that the US Navy is testing out? |
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Sorry, it's not really thread jacking it's just Adult Deficit Disorder or what people use to call going off on a tangent.
Seems the Navy always has a new high speed catamaran. Is this the one that looks like Darth Vaders Boat. Or the one that is made by Australia and is just like a normal Catamaran put sounds like a jet? I see Newport News is designing the new DDX Destroyer. The new Electric Drive destroyer with more electricity available for "future weapons" that will be installed. Goto globalsecurity.org Anyone worried/wondering about the HAARP project? YIKES! |
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It should be apparent even to some of the more conservative americans that dear old Georde W. lead them on BIG time.... well... you really can't blaim him, I mean he just wanted to finish what daddy started hahaha. I hope you people have the sence to vote him out of office. [ April 06, 2004, 22:25: Message edited by: JurijD ] |
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god, see what i mean! thread-jacking! its not just an innocent little tangent, someone starts talking politics, JuirjD shows up, and no one shuts up for a two weeks until everyone gets tired of it and appologizes to each other.
lets skip it. im talking about the ugly bead-bLasted aluminum catamaran that looks like a ferry boat. I thought I could make fun of England for their cheap aluminum hulls that ignite and burn when hit by exocet missiles, but now we have them too. but whats cool about it, are all the automated systems. sure, maybe not the best thing in real wartime, but the premise is cool and it could be a sign of things to come. its pretty much all computerized, i saw some articles about it Last year, but slashdot had a link to a big writeup today: http://www.computerworld.com/governm...?nas=SEC-91888 [ April 06, 2004, 23:13: Message edited by: Puke ] |
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Yeah, not really sure if that falls under Wonder Weapons or not. Maybe Wonder if its a good idea weapon! I was watching Cable Access and they had a guy on there saying that it can operate at the frequencies that interfere with sleep and moods. In the 80's the Russians were ahead in this field but since then it's our baby now.
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Its not the case of Europe (or France) going anywhere AT. Europe is old, Europe is stable, Europe knows when diplomacy works better than force. If USA and Europe (continues to) drift apart, its the US who do the drifting. Get rid of that warmongering president of yours and USA and Europe will be best buddies again. Its all up to you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">You can have George if you want him. But if you take George you also have to take Karry. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif |
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Its not the case of Europe (or France) going anywhere AT. Europe is old, Europe is stable, Europe knows when diplomacy works better than force. If USA and Europe (continues to) drift apart, its the US who do the drifting. Get rid of that warmongering president of yours and USA and Europe will be best buddies again. Its all up to you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Sorry but thats BS. Europe know when to quit diplomacy with hitler. Instead they gave him a more powerful position and the rest is history. as far as stable, I don't think the US is unstable. I might not be following you on this tho. To be fair, I believe there are equal amounts of blame on both sides in regards to us drifting apart. Neither wants to reason |
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Going back to the high-speed torpedo for a moment, while it could be a useful weapon system if it really works, I hardly think it is going to make a huge difference in the balance of naval power. Since the problem it is supposed to address is that Russian subs have inferior sonar to US subs, and I believe US subs are also quieter than Russian ones, how are they going to know where to shoot their fancy torpedoes? It's almost like handing a rifle to a deaf man in a dark room and telling him to defend himself from the hungry tiger that is hunting for him. If he happens to hit it, great, but I wouldn't give him real good odds.
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It's because the Americans are richer. That means that a lot of retards have money to travel, while their European counterparts have no choice but to stay home. The same with computers. A lot of less than brilliant Americans have access to the web, and they post a lot of nonsense around, but when you find someone from another country, odds are he is from the educated elite, or at least the upper middle class. Also, there are more Americans than French, so for every French retard you should get 4 American retards. Imagine now if all the Chinese would have access to the web http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif . We would have a very bad opinion of them. Numbers are numbers, any way you put it. [ April 08, 2004, 13:15: Message edited by: Yef ] |
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According to the CIA world factbook 2002: US: 165.75m internet Users out of 290m total population = approx 57.2% Here are just some other countries at similar levels: Canada: 16.84 out of 32.2 = 52% Australia: 10.63 out of 20 = 53% South Korea: 25.6 out of 48.2 = 53.1% UK: 34.3 out of 60.1 = 57.1% Norway: 2.7 out of 4.5 = 60% Netherlands: 9.73 out of 16.1 = 60.4% Switzerland: 4.82 out of 7.3 = 66% Denmark: 3.37m out of 5m = 67.4% Sweden: 6.0 out of 8.9 = 67.4% As you can see, by your theory, it's the scandinavians who should get the worst reputation for Online cretins. If anyone has more up to date/ more commprehensive figures than these, please post them. [ April 08, 2004, 15:30: Message edited by: dogscoff ] |
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Its not the case of Europe (or France) going anywhere AT. Europe is old, Europe is stable, Europe knows when diplomacy works better than force. If USA and Europe (continues to) drift apart, its the US who do the drifting. Get rid of that warmongering president of yours and USA and Europe will be best buddies again. Its all up to you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Sorry but thats BS. Europe know when to quit diplomacy with hitler. Instead they gave him a more powerful position and the rest is history. as far as stable, I don't think the US is unstable. I might not be following you on this tho. To be fair, I believe there are equal amounts of blame on both sides in regards to us drifting apart. Neither wants to reason </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Newb; Thank you newb for the polite tone of your post. Kinda makes this much easier. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif History is great, I suggest you study it a bit before you quote it and call my post for Bull****. True, WWII was a diplomatic failure. But the mistake was not done in 1938-39, but in 1918 at the end of WWI. The emasculation of Germany made a rematch more or less inevitable. Sure; the buildup could be handled much better, but Chamberlain putting his foot down in 38 would not have stopped Hitler, it only would have made the war different. Better or worse, who knows ? Most of the blame for the early failures in the war should be given to the prewar millitary planners in France (especially) and England. They totally missed 20 years of technological development and expected WWII to be a rerun of WWI. When the Blitzkrieg came, they was totally unprepared. The failure of the politicians was not lack of funding, but the lack of guts to remove the old WWI generals from power. But I disgress... There was an importent lesson learned from the failure of 1918 that was remembered by the victors of WWII: However a war/conflict ends, make sure to not create a power vacuum when its over. This can either be done Stalins way; with an Iron fist, or the Roosevelt(Truman)/Churchill (or more correct Marshall) way; by rebuilding the concuered nations from the ground. This lesson is still remembered by the Europeans (some 50 million deaths over 2 wars in 30 years leaves it mark). This is also why most Europeans did not support GWB's moronic invation of Iraq. Allthough getting rid of one mad dictator is a worthy cause, doing so without planning for a better alternative just makes things worse. GWB's feeble attempts at rebuilding is just patethic; It would have taken 10 times the amount money currently spent (not to mention spending it in Iraq instead of lining the pockets of his friends) to succed. The options left is either continious occupation the Stalin way or leaving creating the dreaded power vacuum which would probably be filled by some religious fanatic. Oups, I disgress again http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Back to my point. Europe has not moved a bit. European policy is exactly as it was under Clinton (and before). Europe is still a strong supporter of the UN and of international law. When GWB decided to sidestep international law, he stepped away from Europe. When USA is ready to come back, they will be wellcome. Untill then; relationships suffers, the economies suffers (yours more than ours), the people of Iraq suffers and international terrorism continues to rise. Quite a legacy for one man. Puke: Sorry for hijacking the thread again (not really) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Atrocities: Why would we want Kerry, he has not done anything wrong (yet). If we could get his wife and punish her for the sins of her family that would have been another matter. Forcing ketchup on the world must rank among the most hideous crimes ever http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Dogscoff: Its the Sweedes and the Danes, not all Scandinavians http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif |
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According to the CIA world factbook 2002: US: 165.75m internet Users out of 290m total population = approx 57.2% Here are just some other countries at similar levels: Canada: 16.84 out of 32.2 = 52% Australia: 10.63 out of 20 = 53% South Korea: 25.6 out of 48.2 = 53.1% UK: 34.3 out of 60.1 = 57.1% Norway: 2.7 out of 4.5 = 60% Netherlands: 9.73 out of 16.1 = 60.4% Switzerland: 4.82 out of 7.3 = 66% Denmark: 3.37m out of 5m = 67.4% Sweden: 6.0 out of 8.9 = 67.4% As you can see, by your theory, it's the scandinavians who should get the worst reputation for Online cretins. If anyone has more up to date/ more commprehensive figures than these, please post them. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Actually, you prove my whole point. US population with internet access: 165 millions Combined total of countries that you mention: 113 millions So the combined population with access from those countries doesn't even add to a total equal to the US pop with internet services, and since we think of people individually by each nationality they represent.... Just to put an example according to your numbers, you are likely to find 10 Americans for every Canadian Online, which of course give you odds of finding 10 American retards per every single Canadian in the same "group". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Thanks for backing my argument with numbers. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif [ April 08, 2004, 19:08: Message edited by: Yef ] |
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yep. i would imagine that the super torpedo would only be good against surface ships, would have trouble targeting subs that they cant here.
on the other hand, they only have inferior PASSIVE sonar. in sub warfare, anyone can hear ANYTHING with active sonar. the problem is you give yourself away. if you have superior range and effectiveness with your supercavitating torpedo, you dont need to care about your own stealth. start actively pinging, find your targets, kill them. it could indeed revolutionize sub warfare. oh, and to the rest of you: go start your own thread to ***** in, were talking about high tech ways to kill people here. |
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Now if we put a Tard on a Torp (wired to the Internet)ahh never mind!
I think something that fast would practically be a direct fire weapon. Most underwater combat is like at 7000 yards, is that like a mile or something? Anyway 200 miles per hour torp in 7000 yards would practially be like and underwater artillery shell. Quite an impressive weapon. Maybe to counter it we could use the HAARP array to make 'em all distracted and happy. |
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Anyway you put it, you are more likely to find Americans Online that any other nationality, and thus a higher number of morons. This is simple math. If we say that there are 3 countries, A, B, and C, and A have 100 cars, and B and C have 10 cars each, and 1 out of 10 of these cars are broken, how many broken cars from each country are you going to find? [ April 08, 2004, 21:16: Message edited by: Yef ] |
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This does not mean that a fast torpedo is not a great weapon. It is, and it is even more menacing when one side has it and the other doesn't (Much like some weapons in SEIV) IF only one side had it it could be a war winner (again much like SEIV). ( http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Please forgive me for unhijacking a (mostly) hijacked thread. We now return you to the normal us vs them thread. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif ) |
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This does not mean that a fast torpedo is not a great weapon. It is, and it is even more menacing when one side has it and the other doesn't (Much like some weapons in SEIV) IF only one side had it it could be a war winner (again much like SEIV). ( http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Please forgive me for unhijacking a (mostly) hijacked thread. We now return you to the normal us vs them thread. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif ) </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Sonar is not the big thing it once was. Take a look here, http://www.stormingmedia.us/cat/cat38.html You'll have to pay to see to details. Also look at hafnium (sp) for the next wonder weapon. The Washington Post ran a story a few weeks ago. Kiloton power from golfball sized warheads and at non-atomic energy output. http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994049 |
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Agreed. The seeds for WW2 were definetly sown from the armistice in WW1. I wasn't argueing that at all. I was going more for the territory given to Germany by chamberlain. If y memory serves me correctly, Germany acquired most of its advanced tank designs from Checkoslavakia. Granted thats only one half of the blitzkrieg, but you get what I am going for. If they put their foot down right at the beginning, who knows the conflict may never even have taken place. It also could have been 20 times worse. I for one think it would have worked out better.
Now for Bush. First let me say I support him given the options of current leaders. (I HATE Kerry, and despise Clinton.) Now, the thing that gets me about the war in Iraq is that when Bush went to the UN, There was so much behind the scenes BS by everyone that it just seemed like a worldwide power struggle, not a campaign to take out a despicable dictator. France and russia were selling oil and arms to Iraq, and saying they just did not believe that there were WMD's in Iraq. Now from the looks of things they were right, but whose to say they were not moved or destroyed during that period, the whole 5 months or so spent in diplomatic negotiations, which led nowhere. And if Saddam didn't have anything than why dodn't he just let the UN go where they please? He had political support from France and Russia, so if anything went wrond he could go right to them. It just seems fishy too me In the end, I think Saddam needed to be taken out. If we were dealing with anyone else I would be against any conflict, but he was a horrible person. Also I'm sick of America taking the blame for everything. I'm not saying we aren't to blame, but we definetly are not the only ones. I hope you weren't being sarcastic with your remark, I am trying to keep this polite and debated with a clear head like it should be. Nothing comes from name-calling or slandering, as my countries election process proves time and time again http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif [ April 09, 2004, 05:52: Message edited by: newbie123 ] |
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Anyway back to the math question. There might me more Americans (numerical, not percentage), there are still more than enough other people Online. And not all Americans are morons... I hope... But in the end your statement is questionable. If there were more Dutch people Online they would have been the ones the world dislikes (according to you that is). But the Dutch don't have such a huge influence in the world. So not only the number of people Online is importnat, but also the size of the country and how aggressive their politics are. It just boils down to a classical battle of good vs evil. The badguy's are always hatted. And in the eyes of most of the world America is the badguy. |
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I thought Clinton was a pretty good president. I've seen a documentary once and it said that Americans thought that Clinton was one the best presidents America ever had. Well, shame of his little affaire with that ugly *****, but hey a man should have some fun. And someone with a wife like Hilary just HAS to. Edit: Oh and for the current monkey in power. I don't like him, but he sure has few options. So I support most of his decisions, but I don't like the guy. [ April 09, 2004, 08:18: Message edited by: Timstone ] |
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I hate to keep dragging this thread away from the political arguments, but I will anyway. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
The point about the super-fast torpedo changing the way underwater warfare works is well taken. If it works, you could indeed see the case for using active sonar to "light up" the target at a distance and then kill it. There is one problem, though. How do you know when there is a target there? If you run around with active sonar (or any other active search mechanism) on all the time the other side will see you coming from miles away. The super-fast torpedo won't shoot down the aircraft that gets called in to take out the sub that's busy pinging the empty ocean. The problem with any "wonder weapon" is that it won't stay that way very long. If one side has it and it is effective, the other side will figure out how to build it too. Also, there might be ways to stop it coming in. If it is moving at two hundred miles an hour under water then it might well be possible to put something (other than a ship http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif ) in its path long enough for it to crash into it and be destroyed. Edit: This is in no way an argument that the technology couldn't be very effective. If the US isn't looking into it we should be (and probably are). A weapon of that nature would not have to be limited to submarines. Since everyone seems to have a way to shoot down anti-shipping cruise missiles, you could use this technology from surface ships to build underwater "cruise missiles". If you could extend their range (perhaps by increasing their size) and give them intelligent seeking capability you could create a whole new class of weapon (drones, anyone?). [ April 09, 2004, 14:09: Message edited by: Alpha Kodiak ] |
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I was mearly (typo, maybe?) trying to point out the general feeling of the world towards America. I didn't want to attack you or the beautful country that America is. I´ve some friends living in California, so I´ve been to America and saw the beauty of the country... and the smog. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I think other readers are not feeling at ease with this little conversation of ours, so shall we burry the axe of war and make peace brother? Oh BTW, nice speeches in the course of our conversation. Edit: I gave you the full 5 stars for this most enjoyable little talk of ours. Thumbs up for us! [ April 09, 2004, 17:25: Message edited by: Timstone ] |
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I was thinking about how to stop a fast torp also. Something in the water for it to hit was also my first thought. Also thought if you could distrupt the SuperCavitation bubble around the torp it would cause drag and maybe slow it down or alter it's course irreversibly (my big word of the day).
In fact you can make a ship sink by putting enough Methane in the water that it alters it's density and things won't float! "Helm, what's that smell?" "I think we're being flushed sir!" I like the Netherlands, Hot Girls, Cold Beer, Cheap Pot, Friendly People, Nice Dikes. |
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Another 5 full stars today for the fact that The EvilGenius like my beloved homecountry. [ April 09, 2004, 19:12: Message edited by: Timstone ] |
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Hafnium and elements with similar properties are really very cool. the ability to charge up an element with energy and then set it off is pretty slick. sub nuclear, but much better than conventional explosives.
maybe this will revive the davy crocket project in another form. unfortuneatly, it still leaves small traces of radioactive fallout. The potential for polonium powered nuclear batteries is pretty cool, too. everyone remember that theoretical man-portable chemical laser? THAT was cool. polonium power sources could also solve some of the battery life and generator weight problems they are having with the battlefield armored suits that DARPA is developing. |
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Considering we're on a public forum, dfiscussing this i imagine it means not only The US but other countries will be developing counters for this torpedo, In reality this weapon may never become used if it's rendered obsolete before the need to use it. That and Imagine what else the military's of the world are building! If it's going to give the country a huge advantage the information is very rarely released to the public, in truth, we can speculate and listen to rumours but we have no idea what other "war changing" weapons are being developed all over the globe! For all we know my countries, The UK, top brass arn't sitting around with tea and crumpets and are funding the creation of Anti Proton Beams http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif EDIT: Actually thinking about it, it could all be speculation, it was in the media http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif I remember stories about how everyone was terrfied that nations were developing Laser armed satelites that could track people by Mobile Phones and kill them within a rather accurate range. Did this ever happen? Not to my memory. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif Either way we'll develop something really nasty and we're all going to wipe ourselves out with it, something that makes a nuclear bomb useless. Hopefully we won't, but looking around today i have little hope left for this race... [ April 11, 2004, 13:13: Message edited by: Raging Deadstar ] |
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Hmm. I think that orbital anti-personnel laser was from the movie Real Genius, which I did rather enjoy. While something like that might be possible, lasers lose focus over range and dissipate GREATLY in atmosphere, it just would not be practical.
We do have air-to-air and air-to-ground and ground-to-air lasers, I would expect to see them get more powerfull and more wide-spread once the politics arround them die down. ground-to-ground lasers dont seem to be practical yet, but maybe in 20 years we will start to prototype them. |
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