Re: Does SEIV run on XP????
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Really? I always thought it the other way around.
or it might depend on how you are thinking of it being used. Everything has its pros and cons but I think in general Windows is still best for the desktop machines. And Linux is better for the networking or server apps. Especially if its going to be any company-to-company link.
(and MAC is the best webserver)

Re: Does SEIV run on XP????
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Such as?

Re: Does SEIV run on XP????
 

If you as a company give/sell Linux to another company/consumer, you have to warrant for it. If Linux is violating IP-Rights (possible risk: SCO vs. the World) you have to indemnify you partner when he cannot use Linux any more or has to pay for it. Can you imagine how much money that is when you have supplied a large consumer like a bank with Linux and their whole production is on a standstill for one or two days?
You have to provide patches for problems with Linux ASAP, i.e. you cannot wait until the community has fixed the problem. You even cannot wait if the community is working on the problem because if not you have lost several days and you partner could hold you responsible for any damage resulting from it. So you have to have some Linux programmers to fix the problems on standby. If, on the other hand, you buy the software yourself from a partner such as Microsoft and a problem with their software arises you will give the OS seller hell to fix it for your customer. And yes, even Microsoft bows to this.
Oh, another problem with open source software for a company is of course the GNU/GPL. First you have to make your work on the product open source itself which means you have to provide your work the customer paid for to gain a business advantage to his market opponents as well (your customer is not delighted about that) and you cannot impose most of the warrant limitations in the GPL to your customers because they violate national law. Oh, if you use Linux in a confidential government environment you are in for another problem: Try to preserve your NDA and to make your confidential government work open source at the same time. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Re: Does SEIV run on XP????
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The only difference between a Celeron and a Pentium is that the Celeron lacks some of the onboard memory.

Video cards are a different matter; they do draw somewhat more power -but- they're limited by the AGP bus, which can't deliver anything close to 60% of the powerput of a normal power supply. If no CDs, disk drives, or the latter are running, THEN it might take that much power, but not before.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Linux does not have to be GNU/GPL. The programs made for Linux don't have to be GNU/GPL. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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Mephisto, you do not have to release ANY code you write under GPL/GNU to be able to use it with or on Linux. All you can not do is claim that actual Linux code is yours. But everything you write can be as closed source as you want it to be.

The case with SCO is a sham.

If Microsoft was so responsive to customers complaining about bugs, why are there still dozens of unpatched security exploits in their software? Surely large companies have complained about them by now.

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I dream of the day that I can buy a MS product and it be complete, solid, bullet proof, and well MS proof.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Part of the impossibility of that is the popularity of it. The more people who have it, the more people there will be chipping away at it, which will always exceed the number of programmers trying to protect it.

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True, but maybe their wouldn't be so many people "chipping away at it" if M$ would just stop trying too be the Evil Empire of the Computer world (you hear the Drum role of Star Wars Music as Darth Vader/Bill Gates enters the room).

Seriously though, why does Bill Gates have too rule the entire Computer world? Isn't part of what makes our contry great in the United States is the limitation of Monopolies?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Like anyone else who feels that their way is best. We should be glad he didnt start a cult (or did he?)

I guess the new social rule is that politics, religion, and operating system are not topics for polite company. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ May 24, 2004, 15:11: Message edited by: Gandalf Parker ]

Re: Does SEIV run on XP????
 

I did not say that you had to release Linux source code. But under the GPL/GNU you have to release the source code of programs you base on open source software itself under the GPL/GNU. You can not make it closed code.
The case with SCO may be a sham but oif your company stands in the line with millions and billions of dollars you might have another few on the issue but to take any risks. Trust me on this one, I work for one of the biggest computer companies on this planet as a lawyer.
And the point is not how fast Microsoft will fix a bug but that they have the money to compensate you and your customer if they screw up big times. If you screw up your customer with open source software you have no one ti mitigate the damage. See my point?

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You only have to release the code of the parts that are open sourced. You can still keep parts of programs entirely written by you closed source.

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No, you can not. If you base your work on a piece of software that it GPL/GNU you have to release everything you base on this code to the public as well.

Please note: I'm talking about source code, not about work you create with a GPL/GNU piece of software (like a picture with an OS graphic program). You don't have to make the resulting work of an OS product OS, that's correct.

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Keep in mind that even with the open source, it does not mean you cant charge for it. Some are making a good buisness out of selling GNU/GPL projects. Here is a good link discussing that with the subject of GIMP http://www.gimp.org/about/selling.html

[ May 25, 2004, 14:42: Message edited by: Gandalf Parker ]

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Charging for it works on the mass market quite fine but not if you produce a piece of software for your customer alone (like a piece of finance software for a bank). Your customer wants to have this software so he is ahead of his competitors and he demands all IP rights of this work so only he can use it and decide what to do with it. And that you cannot do with software based on a GPL/GNU license as you have to make the software OS too. The demans of the OS and your customer are head on in this one.

Having said this, just to be clear, I'm a fan of the OS idead and OSS software. I just want to point out that there are some finer points to closed and open software in a business environment to be considered.

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If you write your own software designed to be used on Linux, you do not have to make it open sourced. Look at Quake 3 for an example. You think they are going to release the source code for that game? Not likely. If you write software that consists primarily of open source code but with a few modifications, that is when you have to release it with GPL/GNU. But you can just as well write closed source software designed to run on Linux as you can on Windows. It is not as if you have the source code to use on Windows when writing software for it.

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Mmm, maybe I'm not that clear in what I want to say. There are two things I talk about here - Linux and OSS under the GPL/GNU.

What you have to do if you take a GPL/GNU OSS as a base from where you start programming I said in several Posts already. You have to make it OSS as well.

If you use Linux and sell it to customers you have to give them a warranty that the software has a) no issues and b) is free from third party rights on it.
If you find errors or you violate third party rights you have to fix the problem/indemnify your customers. Therefore you have to either invest money or have some programmers to fix problems. In the end you become your own OS seller (like Microsoft).
If you hire Microsoft or Sun directly and there are errors in their software they will fix it for you and your customer. And yes, they really do this because you can easily sue them and win.

You can program software for Linux all day long and keep it closed source. No problem at all. But from a business point of view it is often just more profitable to hire an OS seller and get rid of all you warranty problems or to become a OS seller yourself.

[ May 26, 2004, 05:18: Message edited by: Mephisto ]

Re: Does SEIV run on XP????
 

Going back to the previous discussion about product stability and perfection, I doubt most major software products are ever bug free, no matter who the creator is. As for the whole 2K vs. XP debate, I choose XP due to game stability. Anything else doesn't really fuss me, I don't care if 2K can stay stable for longer then 2 weeks without rebooting, I just know that 2K doesn't run the games I like very well and thats what makes me choose what OS I use. If 2K ran games better I know I'd stick by it, but I just feel its better suited for a buisness rather then a gamer like myself.

As for Linux, I'm not that much of a fan myself mostly because of the whole game thing. Yeah its probably overall a better product depending what distro you use, but in the end games decide what I use. Sure, I'd love it if gaming on linux was easier, I'd switch right over.

Sure, some guy can get into my system if he's bored enough and he can look at what sites I go to, the personal information I have on this computer (or lack of) and if he rarely cared to, do something nasty like screw up XP. It just means I have to reinstall my OS and games, but in the end I'd rather be able to use all my games and be at a small risk then feel secure but also not able to run software I've payed good money for.

Just my 2 grand worth.

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Everything has its Pros and Cons. I love WinXp for my desktop and playing games on. I would use Win2000 or MAC as a single-purpose server for its nice menu admining. I would use unix for stability. I use Linux as my multipurpose server because it will take care of everything and the software plays well together (I dont rely on ISPs for any services).

only old geezers need to read this
By the way one of the things that linux does excell is "emulators". They have one for nearly every console or old computer system people remember fondly so if you ever watned to go back and play your commodore, trs80, amiga games then look into pulling that old computer out of the closet and loading linux on it. Thats another big point for linux, being able to get a free software and turn the old computer into a server or router or firewall.

[ June 01, 2004, 15:51: Message edited by: Gandalf Parker ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Thanks alot Gandalf, now my eyes are glazed over and I'm caught in a retro daydream... Star Raiders, Pac Man, Miner2049'er, Loadrunner, David's Midnight Magic, M.U.L.E., etc, etc, etc,.. Atari 800 with 16k RAM and a 410 program recorder whooohooo! I soon upgraded to 48k with a Targa 32k RAM board..... then I got my Supra 300 baud modem with outragously high phone bills attached, aaaaaah, the good old days.

..David! wake up!

wha? where? why? Oh, I'm still typing on the forums,.. oops sorry. (your fault Gandalf)

Thanks, I always love a good walk down memory lane. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ June 01, 2004, 17:52: Message edited by: David E. Gervais ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">You know that Im obligated to mention now that Shrapnel sells "Space HoRSE" which is a new M.U.L.E.
http://www.shrapnelgames.com/gilliga...ce_HoRSE/1.htm

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I can proudly say I was 1 of the 100 something official buyers of M.U.L.E in Germany. A shame for such a great game that so few bought it, isn't it? And the real shame is that Danny Bunton (spelling?) has died much to early. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Re: Does SEIV run on XP????
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I have had no more problems with games on 2k than I had on XP. Old games, new games, whichever.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">With both I found it handy to have 2 drives. I like to have my C drive NTFS for better OS functioning, and my D drive FAT32 for better handling of older games.

Re: Does SEIV run on XP????
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Please splan dis to me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Seriously, wouldn’t it be more efficient to just adjust the NTFS permissions for the specific folders used by the games. Keeping in mind that XP handles them differently than 2K.

Re: Does SEIV run on XP????
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Please splan dis to me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Seriously, wouldn’t it be more efficient to just adjust the NTFS permissions for the specific folders used by the games. Keeping in mind that XP handles them differently than 2K. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I dont know. Ive only looked at NTFS permissions in affecting access and security. I didnt know there were options for file system formats. I know there are settings for things like "run as if Win95" but that only goes so far. With some older games they just hate NTFS.

Can you change the file structure of a folder after an install? That would surprise me. If I have to install it twice then its about the same as what Im using.

[ June 02, 2004, 16:22: Message edited by: Gandalf Parker ]