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Ok, I know I know next to nothing about this, but huh????

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">If i remember correctly, points are awrded on how many goals are scored by a team. I can't remember if extra points are awarded to the team if they draw or win.

Anyway sometimes teams only have to draw to get through to the next round because others teams on the group are on equal score, teams only advance when they have high points in their group division. (Teams are put into Groups to advances..the Groups are then redone as teams advance through the tournament..i think)

Of course England have to play against France didn't they..and how they messed that up although a 4-2 victory over Croatia was good enough for me.

But i don't follow football much anymore so i can't be accurate on how the system works.

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*Narf's head explodes*

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You get 3 points for a win, 1 point for a draw (tie).

If teams are tied in points after the round robin then the following tiebreaker is used:

- winner of the head-to-head matchup, if that was a draw:
- Goal Difference (Goals For - Goals Against), if that is a tie:
- Which team has scored the most goals, and if that is also a tie:
- Qualifying record for the tournament...

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*Narf's head begins to come back together*

Thanks, people.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">What was particularly amusing was the way that the Italians, having struggled all evening, scored a brilliant winning goal in the Last two minutes of the game. As they were celebrating their victory, they heard the news that the Sweden/Denmark game had finished 2-2, and the result of their own match was irrelevant. And then they had to carry on playing...

Well I thought it was funny. But then I'm both mean and non-Italian...

Edit: And now, can the Czechs please knock Germany out tonight. Thank you.

[ June 23, 2004, 09:06: Message edited by: Mark the Merciful ]

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The Italians comments that there may have been collusion between Denmark and Sweden were sour beyond belief. Anyone who saw the game, and knows anything about it, saw 2 teams that went at it trying for a win.

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Given the circumstances, I'd be a little more than sour.

But I have a bad temper.

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What circumstances? That they were unable to get the points, or goials, to progress? Some teams (and people) are able to take defeat and setback in good grace, others are always looking for someone else to blame. The circumstances are that Italy did not play quite well enough over their 3 games to progress. They are a good team, but luck, and maybe form were not on their side. They have no reason to be sour and embaress themselves and their fans by touting ludicrous conspiracy theories.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">10 minutes to go and Chzechs 2 : Germany 1 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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argh :-) Was trying to avoid seeing the result - wanted to watch it tonight... you can;t avoid it anywhere these days....

Still, no shame to see the Germans knocked out. At least England can;t lose to them on penalties in the semis now!

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Sorry http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif

It is still worth watching though. Unless you are German fan of course. But then I watched Russia-Spain and Russia-Portugal both live and taped http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

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No problem...

Hardly - I'm English!

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Once Russia is out, me too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Old joke, very popular in Russia Last hmmm, 20 years:
- Who are going to support ?
- Ours, of course !
- and after that ?

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We have a Latvian here in the office. Other than Latvia, of course, he is for England too.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">From the sounds of it, keeping in mind I only have a vague idea, qoute 'What was particularly amusing was the way that the Italians, having struggled all evening, scored a brilliant winning goal in the Last two minutes of the game. As they were celebrating their victory, they heard the news that the Sweden/Denmark game had finished 2-2, and the result of their own match was irrelevant. And then they had to carry on playing...'

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Yep, that's about what happened, so they have every right to be disappointed/angry/whatever but there is no justification whatsoever in questioning the integrity of the Dane and Swedish teams.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">So... The Netherlands-Sweden then!

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">True. But as someone who's flown off the handle pretty badly before, I understand how it can happen.

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It's 7.43pm BST, the national anthems have just finished, and I'm feeling a bit nervous...

Come on England!

7.48 1-0 to England (Owen) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

And the first half finishes with the score still 1-0 to England. It's been a very exciting game so far, and I think I can speak for most football fans when I say that excitement is over-rated... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

2-2 after extra time. So it'll be penalties then http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

[ June 24, 2004, 21:11: Message edited by: Mark the Merciful ]

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I... feel the pain. My sympathy to Mark and Oleg. *Drows in sorrow*

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POR-TU-GAL! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Clearly the best game so far. What a fantastic match!
It was a hard one to watch for me as those were my two favorite teams playing against each other. Good to see that the better team won. England was way to passive for 80 minutes of the regular playing time. I hope that Rooney isn't too badly hurt.
Now I hope that Portugal makes it all the way to the title. It will be the Last chance for the players of the 'golden generation' (Figo, Rui Costa, Couto, et al.)

[ June 24, 2004, 21:59: Message edited by: Rollo ]

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Oh, well, better team won to be honest, but there was nothing wrong with England's goal at the end of regular time and we should have won the match there and then. The referee mad a bad mistake in my opinion.

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Yeah, it was pathetic. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif Once ahead, pull midfield players back into penalty box. Kick longballs to isolated forwards and hope for the best. Does not work against quality teams like France or Portugal

I actually think referee was right - Terry held goalie down with his hand over shoulder. You can not do that inside the box. Even if you honestly go for the ball, goalie has a right of way.

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Good call by the ref. Most refs would have missed the stiff arm by Terry.

http://gfx.dagbladet.no/sport/2004/0...nullering2.jpg

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I think this pictures sums the situation up nicely :-)

http://img45.photobucket.com/albums/...1/UGJKGKHK.bmp

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LOL Gravey. That’s funny http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
But for the record., here is another picture of the incident (not done in photoshop http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

This one is taken about 2 tenths of a second before the previous one and clearly shows:
- The stiff arm.
- The goalie in position to reach the ball (or at least challenge for it) if he was allowed to jump straight up.
- The ref just outside the box and with a clear view of the arm/incident.


http://gfx.dagbladet.no/sport/2004/0...nullering1.jpg

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I see the pictures, and understand your point, but they don't show what the live footage shows IMO. I don't think the goalie has a chance of challenging Campbell. He was out of position and Terry was in the way. We will probably never agree on this one but there you go. With Rooney out for the tournament it probably saved England the pain of losing to Sweden (or the Dutch) in the semi-final... we really weren't good enough, espcially in central midfield where we just kept giving up posession time after time. Anyways, hope springs eternal, and on to the 2006 WC.

[ June 25, 2004, 14:09: Message edited by: gravey101 ]

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Last post was dead right. We had no midfield
worth talking about. The defence did ok but with
no connection to the forwards we were never going
to win.

Beckham was awful, you simply cannot miss 2
penalties at this level and win. He may take a
good freekick but he's not a good captain.

Football is a tough game and you have to have a
tough captain, one you can hear all over the
pitch. We've had good captains but he isn't one
of them.

Sure we played well against Croatia and beat the
Swiss but we lack a creative spark to manufacture
goals from nothing.

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I feel much better tonight. At least we lost to a team with a bunch of world class players. But French... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Now, that is a shock of the most shocking tournament ever http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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I will admit to being biased here but I would argue that the photo does not sum up the entire situation. The keeper was out of position after the initial header hit the bar. Terry stood his ground next to Campbell and the keeper vainly tried to get past him, which is what you are seeing here. No stiff arm. If you watch the TV footage, which I am sure you have, you can see that there is no contact worthy of the name between Terry and keeper. Terry is entitled to hold his position in the box once he has got there in a legal manner which he did. In any case, the ref was on the other side of the players and a good ways down the field. He didn't see it at all. He saw a scamble in the box and gave a foul in the heat of the moment. The linesman had a better view and gave the goal. I think it was a shocking decision, but such is football. As I have said already, Portugal were the better side and sometimes luck favours the best.

[ June 25, 2004, 12:24: Message edited by: gravey101 ]

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We did lose to a good team but so did the French.
I would love to have seen us win euro 2004 but I
love it even more when the big teams (with all
their megastars) go out to teams like Greece.

I hope they go on to win it, but Holland must be
a hot favorite now.

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A miracle just happened http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif !!

We actually won a penalty shout-out !!!

yay!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Ruatha, I'm sorry but we are through to the half finals.......... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Agree with you Henk !!!!!!!!!! (Sterkte en pretige wedstrijd aankomende woensdag http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif )

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Too bad we'll never see Larson playing for Sweden again http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

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Agreed, but yesterday during the match I really hoped he would break a leg (or 2) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Inti,

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I saw the match, the best team won http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif
Just wished we'd had a better team (still, I'm quite happy with what they accomplished) , but next time http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Good luck to your team!

[ June 29, 2004, 15:39: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

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Thanks,

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http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif


It's all over !!


http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Greece won?!?!?!

and i had a bet going with the czechs.... :-(

anyway, the czechs didn't play their best game and lost unfortunately with a "golden" silvergoal ...

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If Greece wins, Russia will become the best team in Europe as the only one who beat champions http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Games against Spain and Portugal were pure flukes of course. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Imagine : Greece European Champion Soccer !!!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif


But we know it tomorrow.

[ July 03, 2004, 12:57: Message edited by: Intimidator ]

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Okay Oleg, Russia is the best team. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif GREECE WINS

[ July 04, 2004, 21:38: Message edited by: Intimidator ]

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*sigh*

Will now have to listen to honking horns for the rest of the day - being located in a fairly Greek neighbourhood. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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One person in UK won ~ $600 000 by betting on Greece before tournament started. Odds were 120:1 then

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So he 'only' had to put in $5000, and now he is rich enough to life very easy for the rest of his days (But he must not do anything stupid with the money, such as putting all his money on Greece as worldchampion in 2006 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

BTW. The person is probably Greece or female (or both) because NO MAN could predict this outcome !!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ July 06, 2004, 20:00: Message edited by: Intimidator ]

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5k to a lot of professional gambers is not a great deal. Probably had money on some of the Favorites with a chance bet on one of the outsiders. Some of these guys are pretty astute when it comes to judging talent, or at least ability to win, and probably saw something in the Greek team that they liked. Or it could have been pure chance, but 5k is a lot for a non-gambler, so it was more likely somone who had an idea of what they were doing. Of course, if you had asked me before the tournie started I would have said they were crazy.

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Looking back on Euro04 and Worldcup02, the reccuring theme is that overpaid "stars" are worthless. They already got more than enough and can not seriously fight for NATIONAL PRIDE or what ever it is called.

My suggestion for WC06: fire Erricson and Beck&Co. and make a desent squad of nationwide players with workclass income. That should quarantee Enganad triumph !

BTW. I am serious. I have no trust in "superstars" whatsever.

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agreed