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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Its on the tournament website

24 hours would be off limits to a lot of players, me included.

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At any rate, 48hrs would get us through 100 turns in 6-7 months. So there's a chance we could finish before SeV comes out. At least the first round. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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Perhaps a medium tech start with medium tech cost will speed things along a bit?

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Not that I mind 6-12 month games Geo, but I guess it will be hard to committ to the tournament once SEV is out http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

My suggestions are: 3 Planets and Medium tech cost. Think that would make the games a lot quicker, having a clear winner in 80 turns or so.

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Imagine you are in a game to win a copy of SE5 and the game comes out. And people are scarfing it up and talking about how great it is. Could you wait? And if you went ahead and bought a copy and then won, it would render the prize a bit redundant.

Having said that, I haven't even read when it is expected to go into Beta. And Beta should take 3-6 months, shouldn't it?

Anyway, just running my mouth. I'm still in no matter.

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ok i see your point

It will have to be up for vote between SJ , At , Geo and I

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ok email is sent out for vote....

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Current list of players
1. alarikf
2. mark_w
3. RexTorres
4. Chronon

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Hate to admit it, but I agree with the big P. But if the settings are set in stone, so be it. I'll throw in my hat anyway and see how it goes. (if we wind up beside each other, P, then we'll just have to work together!)

Send me some info, Tesco, on how to get a check for entry. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Hang on a sec. If tech costs are high, and everyone will on average have access to five systems, how are they going to afford to research mines without risking being rolled over by someone who researched, say, DUC V? And if they can't, then the mid-game is not going to lock up the way it normally does, is it? So we could be seeing eliminations and a resolution pretty quickly.

Bringing tech costs down to medium might bring mines within reach, and actually slow the game down.

And a low-tech "cavemen in space" brawl might be sort of fun http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Or if people really resent High tech cost, why not ban mines altogether?

Mark

[ June 25, 2004, 08:42: Message edited by: Mark the Merciful ]

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Same here as Renegade, I don't think I will be able to play either (and, as you can see, I shouldn't start yet another game when I am currently lagging behind).

If I can however give my two cents, mines are actually very cheap to research even with High tech cost, since it only affects later technology levels while the first one costs the same. So Mines will cost 100,000 research points to get as usual with Construction, which is certainly not too difficult to get.

And if you can get a lot of trade treaties, you may very well have so many research points it isn't even funny (basically, gaining 200,000 research points isn't so uncommon in most games). I guess, however, that the early game will see the destruction of a few Empires and hopes, but it should go back to a normal game later on (ten systems are enough with treaties and good planets, if you can get the said treaties obviously).

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Alneyan is right. Researching mines is still very cheap with high tech cost. Sweepers however, become very expensive in such a game as both high level sweeping and large shipsizes won’t be able until much later in the game. The 15 destroyers with level one sweepers needed to sweep 100 mines will be a serious strain on the small economies and make offensive actions virtually impossible for a while.

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*Hint* Light Carrier *Hint* http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Even Light Carriers are expensive to maintain with a weak economy, and you would need ten of them to sweep 100 mines. Though it might work if you are using the Light Carriers are beachers.

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Rule change is agreed upon.

Rules have been updated

3 planets
med tech.

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Cannot pay via Paypal !

Bouhouhou !

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The stone now more to his liking, the big barbarian throws away the sledgehammer and goes to the cantina for a beer.

Thanks to Tesco and the team http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Damn, this is too cool. Unfortunately, looks like it'll be taking place while I'm at CMU, and I can't risk my first year on something so addictive. Oh well, at least now I have WoW.

...on the other hand, it's only one turn every once in a while, considering it's 20 players and 48 hr limit. I guess I could let the limit take care of me on those rare instances like finals week.

Arrgh, can't decide. Think I'll use July to practice some and get back into PBW.

[ June 25, 2004, 18:45: Message edited by: Lord Q'Daan ]

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heh. I think WoW would be worse than any single PBW game..

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One thing that I found leads to an interesting (one might say "more pure") dynamic is to not allow fighters, mines, or drones. This is what I did in Zeta...I have no idea how the players feel about it, however. If I could've disallowed satellites in that, I would have done that also...

Of course, for people like me who can't design ships worth beans, such a rule would be tougher, but, hey, it's a thought...

Thanks,

Alarik


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This is a great idea. Too bad I'll have to do my military service at next year (it'll start at the beginning of January) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif That means I won't be able to finish the game.

Other problem would be the fact that I don't have a credit card. Is there a big expense if I'd transfer money directly to PBW account?

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gave my $20 to Geo at origins

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Ok, is there a big enough interest in this from people with no credit cards that I should get another PO Box? They opened up a new post office branch right next to my work. The main reason I dropped the other one was that I moved and it was a hassle to go over there and check it. But if there are people wanting to join up, and send donations in general, I can get a new one.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Given the response to your question and the (somewhat) lack of responses to the tourney in general, I'd say don't bother.

As to the PO box, if Simon is going to take it over, then (perhaps), he should be the one to decide on getting a PO box (for the tourney AND future donations). Just a thought (there goes my big mouth again http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ).

As to the tourney, it seems to be languishing a bit as the initial rush was encouraging but the dropoff is indicatory of (perhaps) not enough interest. Perhaps some sort of query should be done...a poll (visions of "Poll Boy" appear http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ) to get a firm feel for interest.

What ya think?

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Well...lack of interest....hmmmm.

How many people do we have signed up so far?

I'm putting off entering...just to see if I will have the time...later...for it...I felt that I still have till Aug 1st or so before I have to decide...Maybe some others are doing the same?

Kana

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There is no lack of interest. In fact interest is high for this event. I mean who wouldn't want to be in the 1st Tournament of Champions? This is a no brainer, everyone should join and play. The prizes are very good ones for this event and frankly if you don't sign up and play your will be missing out on a great experience.

If you value the $ look at all the time and effort that has gone into setting up this event and the cash value of the prizes. Not to mention a chance at becoming a beta tester for SE V. Hell that alone should be enough to cause a storming of the sign up gates.

So if you have not yet signed up, please do so, you will enjoy it even if you don't place.

Hell for the price of a pair of tickets to a movie you can't go wrong.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">LOL, you know, fewer people means that your chances of winning a beta slot are just that much greater. Plus there are several copies of se5 to be given away. (more than your entry fee value there.) Plus three shipsets made by Atrocities, who worked his tail off and produced some of his finest work to date. You modders should be drooling at the thought of having your own custom shipset to use in your mods. There are also some splash screens (aka Desktop Wallpaper) to be had and won. (maybe not worth $20 but at least you won't go home empty handed.) there are also some gift certificates that basically refund your entry fee.

Yes a LOT of work went into the planning of this tournament, and the prizes are nothing to scoff at. But the real value is in the pure 'FUN' that you will have playing a game that we all love.

What we need to do is swarm other gamming forums and make Posts in their forums and spread the word.. "Win a slot in the Space Empires 5 BETA. Join the 'Tournament of Champions' now." etc, etc, etc..

Basically the word about the tournament needs to be spread. This is not the type of thing we want to keep as our own private secret.

Anyway, don't walk, RUN! and sign up Today!

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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I really want to play this one, but my biggest problem is to get the 20$ in the US (I will not/never use paypall)

And my second problem is the starting date, I will be back from holiday the 16th of august. So if (ONLY) the first turn is ALPU there is NO problem and I could join. (but I will not play/pay if I know for certain that I will mis the first turn.

So if anybody have some answers for me (Tesco) let me know and count me in !!

Intimidator

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Can you send a check? I (and others) can send money in your name if you send us a check for it...

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alarikf

yes
send me an email to seiv at tescosamoa com

Intimidator.

Good news... You will have time to submit your first turn... You have 2 advantages. 1 your 6 hours ahead of me so it will not start until the 16th for you and you will have the allocated time to do your turn.

David G and At... Great answers. Lots of love for the se community went into this tourny. Even if you can only play for a little while due to commitments. It would be well worth it as most of the prizes are random anyways. And it is a great way to support PBW and the upcoming SEV universe.

We could even look at a 5 planet start to really speed up the games....

Kana we now have 6 players signed up.

And yes your right with the fact that the tourney is not well known yet.

Slynky.... have some faith... and post it on your site... Tell your friends http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Mac Thanks

Asmala... We can figure it out for you my friend... Send me a PM...

Lord Q Dann... its less addictive than a girl and will not hurt your grades http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif welll maybe not...

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Well, I'm in, as I said before (though my name wasn't listed http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif ).

I surely didn't mean to cast any doubt on the Tourney by my (perhaps) pessimestic observations. I guess I judged it by the kind of reaction that Geo usually gets when he Posts an idea for a tourney http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif .

Tesco, you have a PM (in a sec... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ).

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I intend to play but have not yet signed on and paid up - waiting for the Aussie dollar to get even better...

As for a five planet start, that is fine but - are you going to ban the Talisman (pleeeaaassseeee - pleading tone!)? On a 3 planet start you can have it by turn 40 with ease (and have LCs, guns, PD, shields, etc). And with mines, missile ships and boarding parties it is possible to defend yourself till then. With 5 planets I guess by turn 30? (haven't tried it yet).

Lets ban the talisman and make the tourney one that tests overall game play, not just can you survive till T-Turn?

Joachim 'I HATE the talisman'

[ July 05, 2004, 02:36: Message edited by: Joachim ]

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LOL, Joachim. Dude, you're too good to worry about the Talisman http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif .

It's a "one winner" game and any players in their right mind would NOT allow such a dangerous player to make it to the "Talisman" point. I'd never ally with one. AND, there is no trading, so they are on their own. In other words, expecting racial points to lower Aggression...hehe...can you spell "ripe for the picking"?

I know how you feel about the Talisman but...I'd LOVE to find myself beside one and have a treaty with another person that borders them http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif .

So, I say, "Take Religious if you dare!"

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Only 6 !!!! Sure seemed more than that...I assume those are only the the ones who have actually paid....Wow...

Kana

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">You're on!

You can get it too quickly with that many planets. The no trading helps the Talisman more as that puts everyone in the same boat, where as you might usually get the situation where no non-religious people will trade with the zealot (such as NGC 4 where I had to research ice tech).

And who said you have to lower aggression? I know it is the standard set up but there are other things...

I am not saying that taking the talisman is not risky, especially if you have a good/experienced player nearby. But, I think you can defend long enough to then be un-killable.

[ July 05, 2004, 05:16: Message edited by: Joachim ]

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Well, we can "discuss" it all night... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ...but looking at it as if it were me:

I would need to research Religious tech AND I'd need to get my Ions up to 3's, ships up to destroyers, I'd need some weapons (DUC 4 at least), and surely I'd need mines (to help stave off the attacks). Let's not forget PDs. Now, in case I'm under attack (as ANY person daring to take the Talisman should be http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ), I'll need off/def components. At least the 1st level of each. Those are the bare minimums, as I see it. That's a bit of research to take away from my Religious studies. Considering it's 1 person every 5 systems...I've got a neighbor who won't like me because I might be studying Religious stuff that I'll meet in 5 turns (or so).

And I always have to think about this: That any player I meet will already have met someone else...and THIS guy will say to his other "friend", "Hey, I need to do something that will benefit both of us...get rid of this Religious guy before he becomes dangerous. Give me a hand or let's agree to a treaty and borders while I take care of him."

Nope, give me "straight" stuff any day in this kind of game. I won the first round of another tourney (forget the name...but it never continued to the second round) with 4 other people. One of them had the Talisman. I opened up on him with fleets of 20-30 battleships in 4 - 5 different areas at a time. Yes, he hit but I swamped him!

Well, I'm not that great of a player so I guess I'd never chance it. I suppose it could be done by a very good player. Mark or Primitive might be able to pull it off but Rex, Asmala, etc., the really good players will not bother, methinks.

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I guess the key issue is *if* the talisman player has people next to them that will attack straight away, and if they can overcome the defences the talisman player can use until the talisman is on line.

In some ways it is a prisoner's dilema to have a talisman next to you. You do need to kill them, problem is is that it will weaken you considerably in the trying. While that will help everyone else in the game you may end up being worse off overall.

P.S I think we are still vaguely on thread but feel free to move this off - maybe to my 'cursed talisman' thread http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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You would be surprised Slynky I guess. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif But the biggest problem with taking the Talisman would be to avoid being declared the Mega Evil Empire because of it (and especially if you have quite a name; I would be adamant in killing a Religious Primitive as soon as possible. *Smirks*).

A single Empire can be repelled without too much trouble before the Talisman goes up I guess (you will need a few ships to get up and running against the Religious One after all, and the research that goes with it), but will the research go quickly enough to allow the Religious player to get this Talisman before major wars occur? And then, will this player be able to gather a fleet with good enough warships before time runs out? Having the Talisman on Destroyers wouldn't be too useful for example, since the Talisman is liable to be destroyed with the first blow.

But I am wandering, and shouldn't give such ideas to a prospective Religious player. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Now more on topic: would something such as sending directly the money via mail be allowed? It doesn't necessarily have to go directly to Geo, but could be sent to someone else in the States (I seem to recall it is legal for the daring there; is my memory faulty once more?). I know it is quite complicated, but I do not currently have access to a way of sending checks in dollars, along with other similar problems.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yes, we don't need to debate it to death. As to it being a bit OT, since there was a suggestion to exclude it, it is a bit on topic.

Yes, the player who fights to prevent the Religious player from becoming "Talisman'd" will weaken himself. But if he can make good peace with his neighbors while he works on the war (and why shouldn't they agree?), remember, he will gain the property of that war as well while others may not be able to expand due to keeping peace with all their neighbors. And, if those neighbors ARE to expand, then they will be in a war as well http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .

So, to make a final remark as to the suggestion...I don't care one way or the other if Religious is allowed.

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Alneyan, can't you send an international check (cheque)?

If there is no other way, then disquise an envelope with the appropriate amount (paying careful attention to wrap the bills in paper so they can't be seen) and send it to me (I'll provide an address if you want to take this approach) and I'll just write a check to Tesco for both our entries. I promise you can trust me (as I must trust you to have sent it and not claim "it must have gotten lost in the mail").

This way, you may enter, Tesco will place us side-by-side and you can take the Religious trait ( http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ).

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Current list of players
1. alarikf
2. mark_w
3. RexTorres
4. Chronon
5. Mac
6. Hustler
7. Paladino
8. JKUO

Thank you.

[ July 06, 2004, 12:35: Message edited by: tesco samoa ]

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Thank you Slynky. I will let you know if I need to use this kind of mean. On the other hand, I should really crank down on my games once of these days, and somehow signing in for new games doesn't seem to be the most effective way of doing so. *Smirks*

Obviously, I wouldn't take anything looking like a Religious Trait. I guess I would do better without painting a big, flashing target on myself by taking this trait after all. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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Last night I finally got to enter the game... But, I may have gotten a logon error with PayPal. (paypal or PBW) It was pretty strange. Please let me know if it went through.

RL Dan Stockelman

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sorry dan did not see anything

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What about those who live outside the US and want to join the tournemament? How can they pay?

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Current list of players
1. alarikf
2. mark_w
3. RexTorres
4. Chronon
5. Mac
6. Hustler
7. Paladino
8. JKUO
9. Dragon_rider10
Thank you.

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well there are a few choices.

1. they can use paypal
2. they can contact me or a admin@pbw.cc and ask where to send the money. either via check or cash or the other forms of paper transfer... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
We are glad to help out any way we can.

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Current list of players
1. alarikf
2. mark_w
3. RexTorres
4. Chronon
5. Mac
6. Hustler
7. Paladino
8. JKUO
9. Dragon_rider10
10. Drizzt321

Thank you

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Come on people, I find this pretty amazing. I mean, *I'M* at the top of the list? I'm a newbie to all this - what about all youse fellas been around for a while? Even I'm trying to cut back on all my gaming obligations and I still got in this...show some spirit!

[heh heh just busting all of yer chops]

Although it would be damned funny if I won simply by default - I mean, really, I suck at SE4, tournaments especially...

Alarik

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Current list of players
1. alarikf
2. mark_w
3. RexTorres
4. Chronon
5. Mac
6. Hustler
7. Paladino
8. JKUO
9. Dragon_rider10
10. Drizzt321
11. Parasite

Thank you

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Current list of players
1. alarikf
2. mark_w
3. RexTorres
4. Chronon
5. Mac
6. Hustler
7. Paladino
8. JKUO
9. Dragon_rider10
10. Drizzt321
11. Parasite
12. dlboyd
13. Roanon
14. 1FSTCAT
15. Renegade 13 ( thanks Gryphin )
Thank you

[ July 12, 2004, 12:29: Message edited by: tesco samoa ]

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Check's in the mail, Tesco http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif .