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Dimex,
I hope you made it here. I wanted to add to my advice under "newbie race":
Watch out for the "GrowlTigga Tigless". They will berate and insult you every time you make a mistake. Every time you do something right they will make sarcastic remarks.
The Messages pop up in the middle of the screen, I have not figured out how they do that.

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Gryphin:
GrowlTiagga "Rib Pokers"
Social Skills &gt; Language &gt; Non Native Tounge &gt; Irony &gt; Sarcasm &gt; Blustering &gt; PoppyCock &gt; Verbal Flautualance &gt; Insults &gt; Gross Insults &gt; Slander &gt;
[ 12 March 2002: Message edited by: Gryphin ]<hr></blockquote>

Blustering? Poppycock? verbal flatulence? oh dear oh dear, there speaketh a desparate man who thinketh not of anything better

Nice try Gryph but not that successful - given the gyp you gave me on private emails, I am not going to respond in kind - it would be embarassing to see a grown man cry

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GrowlTigga,
To avoid whitnessing the tears of a grown man, avoid reflections of tine own.
As for email gyps, A real gentlman would not have mentioned that here.

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Thanks Gryphin

now i know a bit more of how it is to be here, and i whill watch out fore that ugly thing, (it must be some sort og slime race) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

and thanks this seams like a nice forum

the game seams realy nice, but big. and i guese one whill be learning that game for the next 5 years and still fell like a newbie

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Dimex,
We are honored by the presence of such an enlightened one to reconize the slime for what it is.
And to think, your 3rd post is to this thread, It bodes well for you and speakes highly of us.

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I am lost by the slime - Dimex - good effort, third post and you have lost me already

you are right, big game, lots of learning curve, nice people

Gryph, I am only a gentleman when it comes to opeining doors etc for ladies - apologies if you have taken offence

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Hello every body

im new here but thanks for biding me welcome into this bar.
A bit about me:
im 27 years old, a programmer fore a living (if i can find a job) from Denmark.
i have played stars! and Starships Unlimited Divided Galaxies
and now i have got this

i like 4X, RPG and some driving and FPS
right now i play SEIV, EverQuest, Demise, capitalism II and what i run in to.

and Last i give my first round of beer to every body around

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Offended? Me?, now that is offending.

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Hmmm, Mac, TS, SJ, Phoenix and possee - I am not 100% convinced with Gryphin's explanation - sounds llike a drowning man clutching at seagulls if you ask me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Mephisto, I was in Frankfurt and then Hamburg just before Xmas, sauerkraut and other brassica related products, offal based bready products, dodgy black bread and horrible white sausages looking like horses doofers were all rapidly being consumed by your countrymen!

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Gryphin is correct.... We use it a work when the high level management drop by to tell us what were doing.

A 'Dog and pony Show'

Were the animals..

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"doofers"? Lemme guess... uh, yeah http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

Gotta love the idioms. Was it Winston Churchill who commented that Americans and Britons were two people separated by a common language?

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wr8th, please dont rekindle that particular adage becasue as I already pointed out to the north american possee some time ago, there are too many differences to count, language is definately one, diet is definately another, and as for peewee herman!!

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wr8th,
Seems like GrowlTigga is a little touchy. Maybe we should avoid pushing those buttons, (out of respect for, well, you know).

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Indigestion perhaps?

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Based on what I know of GrowlTiggas cluinary inclinations, Yes Indigestion could be it. Mostly I think it has to do with admitting "American" is even remotely tied to "English". You might say he can't stomach that.

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Well from what I have heard gryphin can be alittle tough to chew on. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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"Mostly I think it has to do with admitting "American" is even remotely tied to "English". You might say he can't stomach that."

That sword cuts just as well on the backhand swing.

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adder_inf ,
yes, I am very tough to chew on as are the torps I will feed to GrowlTigga.

As that sword cleaves its way through the relationship between English and American, I will sidestep it and make a bad pun. No, I will make a good pun, there are no bad puns.
EDIT: Seplling and rephrasing.

[ 13 March 2002: Message edited by: Gryphin ]</p>

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The sad story of an semi-senile, computer illiterate attempting to download Mods.

It was a dark nite, wife watching tv, kids out, granddaughter in bed, I sat at the computer, meditating, "The computer is my friend, we are as one", then armed with suggestions from friends on the forum, like, Tesco, SJ, PhoenixD and Val, I was ready, I hit the switch, it booted, so far so good, no problems, put the Gold CD in the drive, "the computer is my friend we are as one", Go to my computer, find CD drive, I strike.. it brings up the mods on the cd, excitement begins to slowly escalate thru my body, I clik on the Mod Launcher, Winzip opens, ah ha, I'm in. I attempt to load, BUT, where are the buttons for extract and load named folders?? I pause, "the computer is my friend we are as one", I hit unzip, its working, at least its going somewhere,
now for the resistonce, I find TDM-Mod and P&N, do the same thing, everything looks ok, The excitment is flooding my body, I quickly go back to the SE4Gold folder, looking in ecstacy for the enjoyment that will shortly be mine. I look, I stop, I stare in disbelief, "The computer is my friend we are as one", No where are any of the three showing in the SE4 directory. Hmmm, Don't panic I say, I look further, I find the launcher on the left screen of Windows explorer, but nothing listed, sweat now breaks out rolling down my aging frame, but wait, no problem, "the computer is my friend we are as one", I decide to try another solution, go to my computer again, with shaky finger I clik on D drive. There are the mods again. Ok, ok, slowly, clik and drag the Launcher, TD-Mod & P&N onto the desktop, Success, oh yes, "the computer is my friend we are as one", I clik unzip, type in SE4 Gold, ok, nothing weird or strange happening, my anxiety beginns to subside, a sigh escapes my lips, "we are as one",
I clik & drag them to the SE4 Gold Shortcut, they go in ok, BUT, they are still on my desk top, oh oh, "we are one, we are one", ever so slowly I go back to the SE4 Folder, I inch my way down looking, looking, AEIIIIII , their not there, Mrs Mac comes, (bad timing), asks why I'm screaming and that I'll wake the granddaughter, I reply back, outcome, Mrs Mac is not currently talking to Mr Mac, she exits gracefully, I return my attention, "we are one", ya right. I desperatly search, finaly I find on the left screen after cliking the the + of MM folder, there they are, I go to the launcher, Excitment is profuse, there they are listed under none. A strange liquid begins to run down my inner leg, my mind is in a frenzy, excitment courses through my whole being, "the computer is my friend we are as one",
I clik on TD-Mod Pack, hit play SEIN, sit back and drool with anticipation, the computer is my friend we are as one", then... S..., NOTHING, I screwed it up again, d... computer, we are not one, the biggoted piece of metal, I furiously look around for something to increase the number of ventilation holes within its crusty, sarcastic, metal being, I know its laughing, haunting me, keeping me from a gamers high, and then like an exploding gas line, it hits me, IITTT KKnnoowws.. From its hidious Bios along its shiny slippery wiring to its inner Core, "It Knows", This is all a master sadistic plot of "Revenge". It knows about those like him that I met in combat in space, it knows how I glazed their ships and flayed them with Computer Viruses, It remembers how I captured and enslaved their planets minions. The frustration and disruption of my family life is all a stroke of a sick, warped and ingenious AI. I will get even, I will learn, I shall return and take the beasts smugness and shove it up its hard drive...For I am human and its Master, I shall persevere....Oh in between I'm going to have to but some roses for Mrs Mac, She still is not talking to me... sigh, what gamers go thru. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

please help an old semi-senile, very active, computer illiterate who is a real nincompoop...

a very sad, frustrated, mac

[ 13 March 2002: Message edited by: mac5732 ]</p>

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Growltigga:
Mephisto, I was in Frankfurt and then Hamburg just before Xmas, sauerkraut and other brassica related products, offal based bready products, dodgy black bread and horrible white sausages looking like horses doofers were all rapidly being consumed by your countrymen!<hr></blockquote>

You know, you should not go with SUCH people! Haven't your mom told you that? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif
You need to go to a real restaurant, not a catch-a-tourist-inn! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

[ 14 March 2002: Message edited by: [K126]Mephisto ]</p>

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mac5732:
To install the SEIV Mod Launcher, do this:
1) Open the zip file for it.
2) Make sure WinZip is in "Classic Mode", and not the stupid wizard.
3) Click on the Extract button. A window entitled "Extract" should appear.
4) Enter the folder where you installed SEIV Gold into the top field labeled "Extract To". Either type it in or use the mini-explorer where it says "Folders/drives" to locate the folder.
5) Make sure to extract the Mod Launcher into the same folder that SEIV.exe is in.
6) Click on the "Extract" button.

To install a mod, follow the above instructions from 1-4, then do this:
5) Look back into the main WinZip window under the column labeled Path. If there is a folder name there, then just click extract. It will create the proper folder for you. If there is no folder there, then type in the name of an appropriate folder (such as the name of the mod) after where it says "C:\Malfador\Space Empires IV Gold" (or whatever) in the "Extract to" field in the "Extract" window and then click the extract button.

Hope that helps you.

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Mac I sent you the dog and pony doco... with the pictures... Perhaps we can work on it together and make sure that it is the ISO9001 doco for seiv and post it.

All are welcome to join in on this.

Peewee Herman over Mountbatt'in any day.

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Sorry,

We have been having real problems with our lease line, I am lucky to get on line.

Basically, I am unlikely to get Gold for some time, possible a month. Rather than holding you all up, please feel free to start. Things have rapidly gone to hell in an handbasket around here. Tesco, is your cousin single? Mac, can I take one of your two jobs? Tigga, can you buy me that beer now? If you all say no, I will ask for some of the infamous hot sauce so I can end it all.

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Mac, I have stayed awake until 5 am and back to work at 9 am but here we go:

The TDM-ModPack with an Install Shield that should be capable of locating the right directory on its own!

Grab it here.

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Saxon, what the h*** happened? I hope you are well but it doesn't sound like this for sure! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Saxon:
Sorry,

We have been having real problems with our lease line, I am lucky to get on line.

Basically, I am unlikely to get Gold for some time, possible a month. Rather than holding you all up, please feel free to start. Things have rapidly gone to hell in an handbasket around here. Tesco, is your cousin single? Mac, can I take one of your two jobs? Tigga, can you buy me that beer now? If you all say no, I will ask for some of the infamous hot sauce so I can end it all.<hr></blockquote>

Saxon, you can have a gallon of beer should you wish? I will even pour it for you - what on earth is going over there?

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by [K126]Mephisto:


You know, you should not go with SUCH people! Haven't your mom told you that? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif
You need to go to a real restaurant, not a catch-a-tourist-inn! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

[ 14 March 2002: Message edited by: [K126]Mephisto ]<hr></blockquote>

Hey, I go to Germany all the time, the REAL restaurants all serve this stuff, more cabbage and pork sausages than you have ever seen! and, lots of the best beer on the planet - Mephisto126, Growltigga is dead right - you must be going to English or American restaurants instead http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ 14 March 2002: Message edited by: nippy the magical duck ]</p>

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brilliant thread by the way

I almost died when I saw that the Gryphin and Growltigga thread was ending

great forum as well - nice to see a forum that deals with all the technical questions anyone could want, and has a daft general discussion thread

off to lurk for another 3 months, got too much to do playing gold

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Nippy, your REAL restaurants are as "real" for the german cousine as McDonalds is for the american. And BTW: What the hell do the british now of the continent? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Fish and chips: Who survives this doesn't need to fear montezumas revenge!

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by [K126]Mephisto:
Fish and chips: Who survives this doesn't need to fear montezumas revenge!<hr></blockquote>

Nippy, glad to see another decent pukka english bloke on the forum - I could do with an ally

Mephisto - shame on you, English cuisine has moved upmarket since you were obviously here, we dont have fish and chips, we have poisson a la greque, pomme frites and pureed petite pois

Montezuma's revenge?? what do you call what a bratwurst does to the uninitiated stomach then?

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Growltigga:


Mephisto - shame on you, English cuisine has moved upmarket since you were obviously here, we dont have fish and chips, we have poisson a la greque, pomme frites and pureed petite pois
<hr></blockquote>

What makes the fish Greek? or maybe I don't wanna know. Pommes frites and puréed petite pois: fries and thick pea soup respectively. Hey it works! Attaching a French handle somehow upscales even the most mundane. Where eez mah kétchoupe, alors?

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Growltigga:
Montezuma's revenge?? what do you call what a bratwurst does to the uninitiated stomach then?<hr></blockquote>

Wuzzy! A pleasant feeling is all you get from a bratwurst in the summer. No one eat them in the winter BTW because bratwurst is grilled. Ok, noone is a bit harsh. There are rumours that two unknown English people eat bratwurst in December (:eek http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif . Must have been in this catch-me-a-Japanese-tourist-dark-hole-inn in Frankfurt. Its quite funny to be there if you like to see Japanese tourist Groups vomit in the floor after much to much beer. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

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I never thought I would see the day:
GrowTigga openly admitts he do with help.
"I could do with an ally"

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Hmm,

Wr8th, Gryphin and Mephisto

In response and in no particular order of priority:

1 by ally, I should qualify that by saying it is nice to obviously have a correspondlingly superior intellect to debate with on this board - it is too hard to find intellectual equals these days;

2 poisson a la greque is a reference to the cooking style dear boy, you are correct on the pomme frites, pureed petite pois means mushy peas in the colloquial - putting a french handle on everything has been the mainstay of the eclectic restaurant scene for aeons

3 mephisto, stop being embarassed about german cuisine, you know we are speaking the truth even if you obviously spend too much time in McDonalds or Wendy's

Next barb please

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Tigga I am actually from Londonderry.....

Dad is from Rochdale....

Wr8th === French Cusine is too fat.... it like the british stuff but they use butter instead of lard and butter.

But one must have a well rounded diet...

Tigga ==== What do they now have fish and chips in a bag http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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Growltigga, glad to be your friend in need but in my humble opinion, you need a psychiatrist rather than an ally

Having gone through some of this thread and the gryphin and growltigga thread, I do have to ask what the cluck is going on? The pair of you are barking insane - has this much vaunted game you two are meant to be playing started yet or is this the longest case of male bravado and postering known to man?

Mac, I am delighted to see a voice of reason on this thread. G&G obviously need i. Good for you.

and as for 'circling the wagons' - I tracked that back - I might be able to breathe properly again sometime tomorrow

Mephisto, I spend maybe 1-2 weeks a month in Germany on business. I think it is more like Growltigga says than you would want to admit!

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GT,
I don't think it is very nice to drag nippy down to your level, (your inflated self perception not withstanding). Clearly his ability to read people is exceptional. I see only one error. I am "Crazy" and *that* prevents me from going "insane".
Nippy:
Nice to have you aboard. No, the game has not started yet and yes this is a wonderous world record for swaggering posturing bravado.
Please join in by all means. Hmm, actualy it looks like you already have.
Don't be foold by macs postings. He is as crazy as the rest of us.
As for your breathing, maybe we should put warning somewhere withing the thread.
GrowTigga, can you write up a disclaimer?

[ 14 March 2002: Message edited by: Gryphin ]</p>

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Gryphin, charming I must say. NippyTheMagicalDuck is obviously an intelligent, urbane and thoroughly civilised and discerning individual so it is fair to say Gryphin that by any reasonable standard, you and I are 'insane' or at the very least 'warped'.

Nippy, delighted to meet you old bean. Glad you can join the party and hopefully assist me in showing these north americans the benefits of a damn good thrashing!

I would point out that the international challenge has been delayed not through lack of willpower, just more the problems of finding enough time and logistics and absolutely nothing to do with the fact that I have not got the hang of the game yet and dont really want to go down in flames!

Be kind to MAc, at his age he needs all the support he can get ain't that right Degsy

Nippy, glad you could point out to the Bratwurst kid that he ius more awash in brassicas than he thinks

Now going back to the asylum

wibble wibble frisnet frisnet http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

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Warpped I will accept. Querky even applys.

Does anyone know if we can use our own shipsets in the PBW?
I'm doing up a few ships and racial portrait apropriate to the Image of the mighty "Eries of Gryphin"

Will we be able to name the startting systems and home planets in PBW?

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Gryph, good point, I always assumed that we could change the names of the planets a la normal play, but would not be able to change the systme names (not sure you would want to do that anyhow as any ancient race would spot you right off)

Is it worth each participant stating who their empires will be for the record?

you are obviously the "Gryphins of Eerie", I am the 'Cosmic Church of Universal Uncertainty', Mac is the mad scientist of catsick or whatever

let each participant state their races for good measure

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Also, who is going to be the official scribe?

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Does anyone know if we can use our own shipsets in the PBW?
I'm doing up a few ships and racial portrait apropriate to the Image of the mighty "Eries of Gryphin"

Will we be able to name the startting systems and home planets in PBW?<hr></blockquote>Yes. everyone needs to download your shipset, otherwise your ships will randomly mutate each turn.

Renaming planets will be immediately obvious to any "ancient race" player who cares to look. Any player who has explored the system, or been given maps will be able to see the name changes as well.

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Gryphin:
Also, who is going to be the official scribe?<hr></blockquote>

Well, I consider that we need someone involved who is neutral, completely neutral. So, this rules out Mephisto as he is too obsessed with bratwurst (well, they look like horses' doofers and he IS a donkey after all http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

I dunno really, I cannot think who, Geo? Nippy the Magical Duck? Mac?

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Saxon:
I asked Tigga for the beer for what should be now obvious reasons.
<hr></blockquote>

what are the obvious reasons oh brave, smart and wise one?

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Thanks SJ and GT
They will know I'm there.
Two things:
1) If they show up I had better be ready for them
2) I make a better ally than ennemy.
3) See 2.

GT, where is the "Warning Lable" on this thread?

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dunno, should there be a warning label?

how about, "dont check on this thread unless you like corresponding with weird bald englishmen and crackpot yanks with dodgy moustaches"

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I was thinking more like:
"Warning, This Thread May Leave you in a Permanent State of Confusion"

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Well, it certainly does that for me.

Hmmmm, not sure which jurisdiction this thread falls under, probably North Virginian law or something strange so will need a local lawyer to do the honours

I think 'Warning - this thread will reach the parts that other thread fear to go' is a safe bet

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You are all just jealous that the voices talk to me and not you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

There are no neutrals available, We have all left our home system.

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Growltigga:
[QB]NippyTheMagicalDuck is obviously an intelligent, urbane and thoroughly civilised and discerning individual[QB]<hr></blockquote>

Why thank you Growltigga, I would say that you are a fine judge of character as well as being obviously a prime example of the apex of intellectual development yourself.

As for thrashing these north americans, is that compulsory? I am not sure I fancy that much judging by this lot, do I have to bring my own whip?