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Keep in mind that SF was made primarily to test a theoretical combat model for SEV (though in SEV one would hope it would be much less complicated, so you can still get 100s of ships flying around per side)... well, that is how it started, anyways.
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Well, I guess I'll have to wait, I've got so much else on my plate. But many thanks for the link... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif |
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CARP IS A FISH.
FISH GO IN MY DISH. THE ISH-WISH DISH! |
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Needless to say, too many ppl base a game on its graphics and as companies are now looking into only making a game look good the game play and lifeline of games are now bcoming Pathetic I shall dare to give an example EA Sports Fifa football The fist fifa games I played was fifa95 for the mega drive, rally good enjoyable game Then I played 97, improvement on graphics but played not as well Then I got a Playstation, first game I got for it was Fifa 99, Great graphics, fantastic game play Then Fifa 2000, played that, wot a disappointment that was, gameplay had gone down the drain completely IMO and PS2 fifa releases had the same problem, and it put me off of any game made by EA Sports Then earlier this month, I thought I would give them another chance and brought Fifa 2003 for the Gamecube And all I can say is that they got their act together, needless to say I think it was the first time, since I got broadband year ago August that, I didnt go on my computer for a week Now I know these are console games and not PC, but the same rules apply, EA had started to rush out products which caused crap games even tho thy looked cool, then they got their act together and now are producing games that look good and play good, BUT THEN, they do own Westwood studios, which is the best computer graphics stuidios in th world, so you should expect their games too look good anyway, and now they are utilizing their ppl properly their games have vastly improved, but also they hav the advantage that the publish their own games so they work to their own timescale Now SF, dont have all these luxuries, so we shouldnt expect a brilliant game, and perhaps if the game was given a few extra months when the project came to be, then things would have been diff. |
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[What gave you the idea that this was supposed to be a 4X game? Some elements (the 3D engine in particular) may make into the next Version of Space Empires, but this isn't Space Empires (despite what the name says, just like Descent: Freespace was most certainly not Descent; it's all in the branding ). It's an entirely different game and if you look at it with expectations based on a different kind of game then you're the only one who's at fault if you're disappointed.]
No, Starfury clearly didn't look like a 4x game. That's why I tried the demo instead of buying it. But I do like Starfury's genre of gameplay. So why is it MY fault that the game was poorly developed? Your expectations are obviously more satisfied sooner than mine. It seems a bit idealistic to allow Starfury to stand on its own and forget why you like the other games you play. However, lock me in a box with Starfury alone, I'm sure I would learn to like it. But I don't have all day to wait for modders or patches or the next generation to make it right. You obviously understand that the game needs "refining", and I agree. I'll take your advice and move on to games that succeeded. |
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You do rise valid points there
But, most of the ppl that are satisfied with this game are the type of ppl that prefer the ability to mass mod (like myself) or like the prospects of loads of other mods wheather they be fantasy or based on their favourite TV show/movie (ie. Star Trek and Babylon 5) as game makers cannot put in such things without a proper license (which costs) due to copyright laws Alot of other games I see that I like dont have the modability of SE & SF and anything you can mod takes alot longer and alot more effort and usually requires a team of modders rather than a single modder (Which is why my first mod attempt for SE:IV failed, cos the style of modding was new to me as I was used to being apart of a team) |
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I think you nailed it DeadZone. Starfury, like SE4, is a playground for modders. From that standpoint, it deserves alot more respect from those who design and use the mods. To you, it probably appears to be more of a new construction set, and you appreciate the ability to alter its form with new ideas. To me, I appreciate the package as a whole, and don't have the skill or patience to deal with the mechanics to make it work.
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In any case, you contradict yourself far too much for me to believe you. You say you enjoy Starfury's genre and realise it's not a 4X game, yet in your initial post you call it a "nothing but a less action-packed, downgraded Version of SE4" and "...mutated half-attempt at graphic appeal". Sorry, I don't buy it for a second. Starfury isn't the game for you, but that doesn't mean it's not the game for anyone. |
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It's cool, Mehrunes.
I didn't want to get into a philisophical debate on the merits of idealism or penmanship relative to quality gaming, but it is becoming such. The game simply doesn't work for me, and I'll deal with it. And if you think I was trying to convince you to change your mind, that really wasn't my intention at all. I came to this Board to see what others were saying after playing the demo. If my negative comments help others decide, so be it - but everyone knows it is their decision to choose. |
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NutButter, you are always welcome to voice your opinion and IMHO you did in a reasonable manner. Just like you said, to each its own. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
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The voicing of opinions is part of the purpose of forums such as these. Opinions, either favorable to the game or otherwise, are valuable. They help those who are undecided to make up their minds and perhaps avoid making an unwise purchase. Everyone should feel free, and be encouraged, to voice their opinions.
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As long as they arent like the first post of this topic I shall always respect your opinions
Oh yeah, and it is completely strange that the guy who done that post hasnt even been back to even defend his opinions or anything If you arent willing to evn attempt to defnd your opinions or correct them if you later change your mind, then your opinions are null or void in my opinion [ October 18, 2003, 17:58: Message edited by: DeadZone ] |
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A troll is someone that registers on a forum wiht the express purpose of making an inflammatory post just to get lots of responses (and hopefully incite flame wars). Occasionally, an additional post or two along the way is needed to prod the trolling on, but most of the time, it is done so that the troll only ever has to make the initial post.
Though, it looks like this troll vastly underestimated the SE community. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif [ October 21, 2003, 04:34: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ] |
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Thats an understatement
After that post none of us were even at each others throat, we just expressed our opinions in a calm collective manner and backed up our thoughts and opinions Hell I think we should thank this troll, this thread is already the 2nd highest posted in in the SF forum lol [ October 21, 2003, 07:37: Message edited by: DeadZone ] |
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One of the things that really impressed me before buying SE4 (about a yewar ago) was the forum activity. The game had already been out for quite a long time and I just happened to hear about the game after looking through www.the-underdogs.org (Not a game on retails shelves, for certain). There was more activity then than the day after any other game release I have ever played. That pretty much convinced me this was probably a good purchase and I wasn't disappointed!!
Rarely do I see trolls on this Board, but they are around pretty much everywhere else. I've had a hard time liking SF, but there isn't much more to say if I don't keep playing it. This Board brought me to Freelancer after reading the post, and for the most part, I am enjoying it. But it is getting rather dull and repetitive. Maybe this, alone, will bring me back to SF for another whirl. Who knows!! |
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lol, strange that, I just brought Freelancer
And Im finding it fun, but then one of my mates play it so we are Online teaming up kicking everyones asses lol |
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I'm only playing the single player in Freelancer amd am at Level 11. At this point, there is little to do other than run several minor missions to level up so you can continue the story, then repeat. Upgrades to ships and weapons are rare, even at this level (So far, I have had 3 ship upgrades and 3 weapon upgrades). The game is still beautiful and the story interesting, but there isn't much flexibility.
(now why did I not like Starfury??) I bought the game at CompUSA and the clerk told me the Online MP was the real hit. I should give it a go. |
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Nothing beats MP with games
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I finished Freelancer http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif
At some missions i had to spent at much as 3 hours... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif |
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BACK OFF TROLL,
This is my territory! Actually I wasn't impresssed with the DEMO, at first. Just how do you stop playing this game anyway? If I take a scan planets mission, do I need a scanner or have to do anything special? Can I communicate with other ships? What is the negotiation skill for? [ October 26, 2003, 18:11: Message edited by: CEO TROLL ] |
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to scan, you just need to get close.
No way to commincate with other ships..negotations lowers the price you pay for components. |
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Keep in mind, Space Empires IV doesn't have that 'IV' at the end just because Aaron decided to pick a ramdom number and stick it on the end. Yes, the first iteration will be a bit rough, even the release Version. Anyone remember the original Space Empires? Heck, does anyone feel the difference between 3 and 4? I am confident Aaron will continue to improve on Starfury (if he decides to do sequels) and when Starfury IV: The War Over Ruins comes out, it will rock my airlocks off.
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The original Space Empires was not sold... it was just a personal project. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif SE II was the first one sold.
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I've played Space Empires 1. It was pretty simple, but I can see the development of SEII and SEIII from it.
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This thread has just given a troll 80 entries or 80 points. He gets deducted for is own entries and spawned threads are bonuses.
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Wardad, do you have the link with the rules at hand? Maybe even the link to record holder on this rpg net?
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http://www.criticalmiss.com/issue9/troll1.html
Read this site. Now! It is very funny! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif edit: and I even have an article in issue 9! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif edit 2: uh-oh, haven't read the article in a while, doesn't everyone get negative points when someone mentions the game??? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif [ October 27, 2003, 23:29: Message edited by: Ed Kolis ] |
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Thanks, Ed! That was the one I was looking for. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
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This is to that guy who started this. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif
I whant to know if he has ever played Space Empires:IV? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif Space Empires: Star Fury is based on SE:IV, thus the 2D and the size difference. And donot compare this with other games that are not CRPG. I have played the starfleet command series and the graphics are about the same from those games and Star Fury. Star Fury is far better than i had first expected. [ November 13, 2003, 17:45: Message edited by: Sefter Quad ] |
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That's great stuff, there http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
*SJ flips tails while reading the post, and his monitor explodes. *SJ flips heads, and the explosion kills him. |
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*Ed flips tails, then realizes that sonic was watching him give tails the rude gesture...
*Ed gets a hedgehog-shaped hole cut out of his torso http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif |
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BTW, I'm really curious as to how you were going to end that Last sentence with the "but..." http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
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