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Vodalian October 2nd, 2003 06:04 PM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
I'm 15 years old, post very rarely, play dominions 1 very actively and never win because of the standards I set to myself ( keeping taxes at a reasonable level, keeping people happy, never touching the luck scale, etc.)
I guess Dominions is just a huge immersive adventure to me, it doesn't really matter if I play with maximum efficiency or aim to win, as long as I have fun.
I live in Helsinki, Finland and know several people of the age 13 who play dominions eagerly. Maybe getting into games like Dominions at this age has something to do with our common cultural heritage http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Nerfix October 2nd, 2003 06:08 PM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
Yes, we Finns are so powerhungry that almost every 13-years old teen wants to be a god...
Realy, i wonder why Finland has highest amount Dominions I sold per capita, and a large player community...

DominionsFan October 2nd, 2003 06:10 PM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
I think cuz Doms I. was a very very 'small game'.
I mean..no advertising etc. I bet that Doms II. will have lot more fans...er I think. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ October 02, 2003, 17:10: Message edited by: DominionsFAN ]

Kristoffer O October 2nd, 2003 06:18 PM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by DominionsFAN:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Yojinbo:
DominionsFAN,

Let me ask you something; Is it wierd to think of people over 25 doing ANYTHING?

Further, what do imagine your hobbies will be when you are 27 or 43?

Yo

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Surely not computer gaming...I think that gaming is for young ppl, up to like 18 or max. 20 years olds.
If your like 25 30 or 40+ http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif , its weird to me, that you are playing comp. games.
Maybe it is just me..
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Do you also believe that game developers are 15-20 years old. Or are they just very skilled at guessing what teenagers like or not.

I'm 31 and I have been working on Dominions since 1997. Should I stop playing or developing games because I had a birthday or two?

Actually, Dominions was meant to be played by people above 35. People under that age was considered to bee too uneducated to grasp all the historical, mythological and literary paraphrases of the game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

licker October 2nd, 2003 06:45 PM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
Hehe...

The dev is a *mere* 31, and claims that no one under the age of 35 should play Dom http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

So does that mean that the devs don't play? Or just that they shouldn't as they are 'too uneducated...' http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Anyway, all teenagers everywhere (not just Finska) have god complexes, the only one's you need to worry about are those that actually grow up to become gods http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Nerfix October 2nd, 2003 06:59 PM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Kristoffer O:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by DominionsFAN:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Yojinbo:
DominionsFAN,

Let me ask you something; Is it wierd to think of people over 25 doing ANYTHING?

Further, what do imagine your hobbies will be when you are 27 or 43?

Yo

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Surely not computer gaming...I think that gaming is for young ppl, up to like 18 or max. 20 years olds.
If your like 25 30 or 40+ http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif , its weird to me, that you are playing comp. games.
Maybe it is just me..
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Do you also believe that game developers are 15-20 years old. Or are they just very skilled at guessing what teenagers like or not.

I'm 31 and I have been working on Dominions since 1997. Should I stop playing or developing games because I had a birthday or two?

Actually, Dominions was meant to be played by people above 35. People under that age was considered to bee too uneducated to grasp all the historical, mythological and literary paraphrases of the game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">A-HA! So i now have waterproof evidence that Dominions is a Grognard game!
And about thinking people under 35 being too poorly educated, i even got your reference to dark power of humans left hand...
*The casters left hand turns deadly..."
And yes, you are this far the only game company that got the mythological part of Tiamat about rigth.

johan osterman October 2nd, 2003 07:22 PM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Nerfix:
A-HA! So i now have waterproof evidence that Dominions is a Grognard game!
And about thinking people under 35 being too poorly educated, i even got your reference to dark power of humans left hand...
*The casters left hand turns deadly..."
And yes, you are this far the only game company that got the mythological part of Tiamat about rigth.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">While I should allow Kristoffer to speak for himself I am betting you my right kidney Kristoffer wasnt entirely serious with the age or education issue, after all he peddles his game to his unsuspecting students. The dark power of the left hand comes from wiping your arse with it, thus turning it deadly.

Nerfix October 2nd, 2003 07:29 PM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by johan osterman:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Nerfix:
A-HA! So i now have waterproof evidence that Dominions is a Grognard game!
And about thinking people under 35 being too poorly educated, i even got your reference to dark power of humans left hand...
*The casters left hand turns deadly..."
And yes, you are this far the only game company that got the mythological part of Tiamat about rigth.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">While I should allow Kristoffer to speak for himself I am betting you my right kidney Kristoffer wasnt entirely serious with the age or education issue, after all he peddles his game to his unsuspecting students. The dark power of the left hand comes from wiping your arse with it, thus turning it deadly.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The first part of the post:
Is he realy marketing Dominions to... shcoolkids? But they don't play games like this!
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Last part of the post:
Literaly, ROTFLMAO!
Ok, ok, it migth be so, but it still sounds funny!

johan osterman October 2nd, 2003 07:38 PM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
Most of his school kids are several years older than you.

Nerfix October 2nd, 2003 07:43 PM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
Oh, i see...
I'm feeling so lonely here...
Being the youngest player to tell about himself this far...
And i was something like 12 or 13 when i started playing Dominions, because Dominions was only few months old when i found it...

Oh, BTW, any succes with his marketing campaing?
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ October 02, 2003, 18:47: Message edited by: Nerfix ]

Bimbo63 October 2nd, 2003 08:24 PM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
I think my generation (I'm 40) is different from the past as far as game playing.

We grew up with child's games (Monopoly, Life) but also we were at the beginning of the computer revolution.

For a small group of people in the past, adult board games (Avalon Hill, etc...) kept them playing games far into adulthood but with computer games being so available and powerful, many adults can now play mature games on the computer, instead of just the Avalon Hill type board games, so there are a lot more older gamers because of this.

I bought a few Avalon Hill Bookgames when I was younger because I loved the hardcore rules but I never actually played them so now I can play hardcore games on the computer.

There are a lot more games targeted to older gamers (Uncommon Valor, etc...) so that has kept the adults playing.

Also, when I was young I loved reading about new worlds and fantasy realms and now get to visit them as an adult in RPG's.

It's a great hobby. In moderation!

James

Mortifer October 2nd, 2003 08:46 PM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Nerfix:
Oh, i see...
I'm feeling so lonely here...
Being the youngest player to tell about himself this far...
And i was something like 12 or 13 when i started playing Dominions, because Dominions was only few months old when i found it...

Oh, BTW, any succes with his marketing campaing?
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Actually no, my little bro is playing with Doms I. and he love it. He is 10 years old.

Btw I preordered 2 copies. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif [Doms II. will be his bday present from me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ]
[[Half Life 2. for X-mas http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif ]]

[ October 02, 2003, 19:47: Message edited by: Mortifer ]

Nerfix October 3rd, 2003 01:22 AM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
@JO
Ummmm...
What would be unsuitable for teens in Dominions II?

@Pocus
Thank you!
So, i'm still the youngest Dominions player around here? Remember that i started playing Dominions something like 2 years ago.

[ October 02, 2003, 12:28: Message edited by: Nerfix ]

johan osterman October 3rd, 2003 01:31 AM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Nerfix:
@JO
Ummmm...
What would be unsuitable for teens in Dominions II?

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Some parents might consider blood magic etc unsuitable game content for their teens.

[ October 02, 2003, 12:36: Message edited by: johan osterman ]

Nerfix October 3rd, 2003 01:39 AM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by johan osterman:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Nerfix:
[QB]@JO
Ummmm...
What would be unsuitable for teens in Dominions II?
QB]

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Some parents might consider blood magic etc unsuitable game content for their teens.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Hmmmm...
I didn't even think that Blood Magic, Necromancy and Demon-Summoning would be unsuitable content...

Damn, i sometimes worry myself....

Saber Cherry October 3rd, 2003 01:43 AM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
Hi! I finally registered here.

About me:

I am a very cute marionette who fights the forces of evil. If you play Ermor, then that includes you!!! =)

-Cherry

Nerfix October 3rd, 2003 01:46 AM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
Saber, is that realy you?

Long time no see!

Gandalf Parker October 7th, 2003 05:30 PM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
OK I havent read the whole thread but since Im just a couple short of half-century does that make me the oldest player here?

I got my sons, brother in laws, and their friends, hooked on it also and they all seem to be old enough to be the father of alot of these posters.

By the way, a bit of trivia from my experinece admining MUD Online games for a decade or so.... the more that a game allows cursing, bloodshed, and general immoral acts the younger its playing base tends to me. It doesnt really apply to Dom which basically doesnt have alot of room for such things but its interesting anyway. Games which restrict such things are thought of as doing it to sell to the younger players. The effects actually tend to be lack of bad press, being able to be recommended by a larger group, and a more mature playing base.

Yojinbo October 7th, 2003 05:38 PM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
Gandalf Parker,

Welcome here. Your Dominions wisdom will be a most welcome addition to this community.

I have followed your Posts on csipgs over the years with great interest.

Yojinbo

Truper October 7th, 2003 05:45 PM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
Gandalf,

Possibly you are the oldest, but I seem to remember another poster who's 47, and I'm 45, so if you are our greybeard, its not by much http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

Mortifer October 7th, 2003 06:37 PM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
WOW! Gandalf will be 50 years old soon? Nice! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

I always tought that my father is a weirdo, because he is playing with some simulation games and he is 48, but it seems that I was wrong! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Nerfix October 7th, 2003 06:53 PM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
Gandalf could be my dad!
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Gandalf, you are very welcome here.
We need someone to carry the legacy of usenet Groups here!
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

I migth soon lose my position of youngest player to register here if ZT from Dom X Boards finds his way here...

Mortifer October 7th, 2003 07:19 PM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Nerfix:

I migth soon lose my position of youngest player to register here if ZT from Dom X Boards finds his way here...

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">You have lost it already. My bro is registered, but he hadnt made a post yet.
He is 10 years old! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Humer October 8th, 2003 06:45 AM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Truper:
Gandalf,

Possibly you are the oldest, but I seem to remember another poster who's 47, and I'm 45, so if you are our greybeard, its not by much http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Talking about greybeards, I'm 27 and finding my beard (and even hair) turning grey. Noticable, even. Do I count? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

- Humer

Kristoffer O October 13th, 2003 07:15 PM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
I recently introduced Dominions I to one of my students. He hadn't played the game earlier but he's into Warhammer 40k and such games. I gave him a crash course so that he would survive the first encounter with the UI.

Today I asked him how he liked it. He was sad to say that he hadn't had much time to try it out. He and his friend were interrupted by the friend's father who found out about the game, occupied the computer and played Dominions for hours. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Mortifer October 13th, 2003 07:19 PM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
LOL Kristoffer! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
Guess what, my father like to play with Doms I. too. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
Hes a big fan of simulation games, he never played strategy games, but he liked it! It must be a special game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Nerfix October 13th, 2003 07:55 PM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Kristoffer O:
Today I asked him how he liked it. He was sad to say that he hadn't had much time to try it out. He and his friend were interrupted by the friend's father who found out about the game, occupied the computer and played Dominions for hours. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Talk about Grognard games...
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Mortifer November 2nd, 2003 05:02 PM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
*bump*

We have new Users, they might want to introduce themselves.

Calanor November 2nd, 2003 05:41 PM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
My thanks for your consideration, Mortifer! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Anyway, I'm 33 years of age, live in Sweden and have been into comps (both when it comes to gaming and programming) since I was 12 years old - hmm, that's 21 years ago *shudder* I was introduced to paper and pen role-playing games a year later or so and has since been both player and game master in several different systems (D&D, Call of Cthulhu and Rolemaster to mention a few, although only the latter has received any serious attention from my part during the Last 10 years or so). My interest in strategy games probably began around that time as well, although one of the first strategy games I actually remember playing extensively was probably Empire.

In more recent years, I wasted a whole lot of time on MUDs during a couple of years. I have also been a fairly active member of the Unreal community (I used the handle Bane there, though) and spent a considerable amount of time developing mods for that game (and perhaps even still more chatting with people about how to develop mods). Although I have left that scene, the interest for modding has remained and I seem to be unable to leave games that I like alone - Earth 2150, Blitzkrieg, Rise of Nations, Diablo 2, and several others have all been my hapless victims. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

The explanation is probably simple - modding combines two of my greatest interests when comps are concerned, namely gaming and programming. Even though not all modding involves writing actual programs, the creative process often has similarities.

Apart from computers, I am interested in history, mythology/religion/etc and fantasy in all forms (talking about dragons and stuff here, not necessarily other kinds of fantasies http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ) I also practice chinese martial arts regularly, which I guess is a nice break from the comp, which otherwise occupy most of my spare time.

Hmm, this turned out to become a bit longer than planned, so ta-ta..

PhilD November 2nd, 2003 06:33 PM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
I'm surprisingly similar to Calanor...

34 year old and French, I got into strat. gaming and RPGs when I was around 12 or 13 (I was sick and my mom bought me this mag called "Jeux et Strategie"; the French members will know what I mean). At about the same time, I read Lord of the Ring, and it went downhill from that http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

I played a lot of RPGs for a few years, and less wargames, mainly because of the difficulty of finding opponents; playing both sides of a battle and cleverly countering one's own traps can only take you so far. I did, however, play a LOT of Advanced Squad Leader for a few years.

I got started on computers and computer games a little before I bought my first Sinclair Spectrum in the mid-eighties (I was 15 or 16, I'd say); I never really let go of them, since I now teach Computer Science in an engineering school (though I'm more of a mathematician than a comp. scientist at heart).

These days my hobbies almost all revolve around gaming; I play a lot of computer games (either RPGs or TBS; always solo so far, but I might get started on MP with Dom2 if I can find enough BAD players like me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif ), and also a lot of Legend of the Five Rings (a collectible card game). I gave up on PnP RPGs a few years ago, and PnP wargames when I lost contact with my regular ASL opponent.

Particle November 2nd, 2003 07:03 PM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
Phil, than I will play with you, I am very new here as well. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Alneyan November 2nd, 2003 07:03 PM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
Here is yet another little biography, prone to be boring. Disclaimer: do not expect this... erh introduction to be original or innovative, nor interesting for that matter. Or perhaps it is merely me who do not fancy such "writings".

So. I happen to live in France (I swear I am not guilty! There was a bug when I picked my nation, and thus I was born French) and I am nearly seventeen year old. Yes, I do feel a bit young, especially when I read the two previous descriptions. *Winks* I am currently in my Last year at high school, (sorry, I do not know what grade it is) studying basic economics, history among other subjects.

Unlike many (if not most) people here, I cannot say I am really into computers (or sciences for that matter). I had my first computer only a few years ago, a Pentium 133 when it was state of the art. I do not fancy programming either, although I am known to spend a *lot* of time tweaking with the mechanisms of games. As long as you don't ask me to write a program, even the easiest of all.

In the Last few years, I spent really too much time in Online role playing games (private servers for Ultima Online, the Fourth Coming back in the days where it was free in France, a few MUDs as well and one or two play-by-post games, to name but a few) and in a few other games as well. (Total Annihilation or Freespace) I almost forgot to mention text-based games, or Interactive Fiction, your choice. (Who said Infocom? It is quite strange to play a game older than yourself. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

Other interests include reading and perhaps PnP RPGs, if I could find players. Easier said than done though. (Planescape... I shall stop digressing) And now, as you can see, I am currently playing SEIV and Dominions 2 (surprising eh?) and a few other from time to time.

Too long a post I fear, so I will stop here.

[ November 02, 2003, 17:09: Message edited by: Alneyan ]

Calanor November 2nd, 2003 09:18 PM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
Ah, Infocom. Those were the days http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Alneyan November 2nd, 2003 10:05 PM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Calanor:
Ah, Infocom. Those were the days http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yes, I heartily agree with you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Shame I could not play these ones back in those days, but I was... how to put it... a bit young, or not even born for that matter. Ah, the mazes of bureaucracy, or "How are you supposed to officially change your address"... But I digress.

Psitticine November 5th, 2003 11:15 PM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
IF!!!

I've written a few of those, and played a heck a lot of others. I'm glad to see the IF community has continued to thrive over the Last few years!

I assume you've been to the Interactive Fiction Archive. If not, check it out! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

[ November 05, 2003, 21:16: Message edited by: Psitticine ]

Keir Maxwell November 6th, 2003 12:55 AM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
Kia Ora,

I'm 37, live in New Zealand in a little town called Paekakariki by the sea near the bottom of the north island. I have two sons, Samuel (4) and Leith (3). My partner Janine works in Wellington nearby and I do the house dad thing.

I have been gaming since early, started going to the OMTS - Otago Miniature Tacticians Society -about 11 (I think my brother and I were the only ones below 20 at first). D&D followed shortly afters via a one page print out bought back by someone from overseas, and I have progressed throught the various roleplay and wargame system to the point where I now run a PnP RPG using my own system - Quick Kill Combat - and am working with others on a contingent based ancients system inspired by DBM. My particular area of Ancient wargaming interest is the Late Bronze Age and my focus is, as always, is on campaigns. As the years go on more and more I find myself in the GM role.

I played many of the early computer games but have always been dissapointed by the AI for strategy games. It has only been the advent of multi-player formats that has seen me make major use of computers for gaming. Significant games for me have been Muddy Waters (early MUD), Stars!, Ultima Online, Dom I and now II and NeverWinter Nights. I'm also enjoying at bit of Savage and will get the full game soon - I like teamwork in FPS.

Other interests including tramping, sailing, playing music, travel, history, left wing politics, chess, being a social animal (I am a very social animal) and, when my creaking body allows me, sport - I love playing sport. Worst part of getting older, so far, is all the extra injuries that I get if I push too hard.

My plans/dreams include building a NWN persistence world based in 462AD in the British Isles (the time of Arthur) with permanent death and finally getting the bands CD finished. unfortunately having kids makes progress in other fields remarkably slow.

My two motto's:

"Don't worry, be happy . . ."
and
"Don't worry about it - change it!"

Cheers

Keir

Alneyan November 6th, 2003 10:28 AM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Psitticine:
IF!!!

I've written a few of those, and played a heck a lot of others. I'm glad to see the IF community has continued to thrive over the Last few years!

I assume you've been to the Interactive Fiction Archive. If not, check it out! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I did check this site out, or one of its portals, I am not sure. What IFs did you wrote if I may ask? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Psitticine November 7th, 2003 01:38 AM

Re: Tell us about yourself!
 
The only one I've got up on the archive right now is called Maiden of the Moonlight, a sort of Scottish-y ghost story thing I wrote for the competition several years ago. (If I'm not mistaken, Babel was one of the ones that edged me out there. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ) I've got to get around to uploading an updated Version of Maiden though. I already put up an improved post-contest Version, but I've fixed it up a lot more since then.

The others were written for a specific audience and, as such, are filled with in-jokes and references that don't make them very suitable for mass-distribution.

Years spent working with college English has improved my prose quite a bit as well. I shudder at some of the stuff I came up with back then. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

edit: silly typo correction

[ November 08, 2003, 03:47: Message edited by: Psitticine ]


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