Re: New map by Jason Lutes
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">+30% is pretty good though, as doesn't this add to the chance for each site? E.g. w/ the default 40% site frequency you have a 70% chance to get a site, and if you do then a 70% chance to get another, and so on up to 4 sites. Or do I misunderstand the site distribution mechanics?

Re: New map by Jason Lutes
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">+30% is pretty good though, as doesn't this add to the chance for each site? E.g. w/ the default 40% site frequency you have a 70% chance to get a site, and if you do then a 70% chance to get another, and so on up to 4 sites. Or do I misunderstand the site distribution mechanics? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yes you do. It's 70% for each of the 4 possible magic sites in your example.

Re: New map by Jason Lutes
 

Excuse me for mentioning this, but the other map (parganos) is also very nice. Doesn't have the bridges or the easily recognizable "farm land" fields, but it seems very nice so far. Thanks Jason!

Re: New map by Jason Lutes
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Thanks, Cainehill -- I've removed #111 as a possible starting place.

As far as I can tell, there's currently no way to get a display of province numbers. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Look at them in the map editor ...
BTW I've just started a game and had a capitol surrounded by two rivers and with ... 1 neighbor http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif
Don't have access to the game map right now, will give the province name/number later http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Edit : now I've checked, it's Prov #150 Scythewater, No start flag wasn't positioned.

[ April 06, 2004, 20:37: Message edited by: PDF ]

Re: New map by Jason Lutes
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Wow. I thought you had taken advantage of some rule-based map command to disallow the provinces with fewer than 4 neighbors, the marshes, etc.

If you've been hand editting the .map file to set exactly which provinces aren't starting-province material, my hat's off to you. (It is anyway, for such a great map, but still.)

Re: New map by Jason Lutes
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">What's your source for this belief?

Re: New map by Jason Lutes
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">What's your source for this belief? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Developers.

Re: New map by Jason Lutes
 

That's what I figured. It's the same source I have for my belief...

In retrospect it seems like you're more likely to be right, as with 40% sites it always seems like most provinces have sites. Then again, it seems like more than 13% of provinces have no sites...

Re: New map by Jason Lutes
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I've always suspected, with no real basis other than the logic *I* would have gone by, that the increased chance of sites in mountain, etc. is counterbalanced by a reduced chance in farmlands. So that with 40% sites both most provinces having sites and more than 13% of provinces having none are both reasonable.

Re: New map by Jason Lutes
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Make a search for "magic sites" on this forum, and look for the the thread with the same name that I've started myself few days ago. KristofferO explained there clearly how magic sites placement algorithm work in their code. The placements in each potential site "slot" have the same chance (basic province chance +- terrain midifier) and are independent of each other.

Re: New map by Jason Lutes
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I've always suspected, with no real basis other than the logic *I* would have gone by, that the increased chance of sites in mountain, etc. is counterbalanced by a reduced chance in farmlands. So that with 40% sites both most provinces having sites and more than 13% of provinces having none are both reasonable. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yeap, it is true. In fact only for farmlands (asuming farmland modifier is -20% and the site frequence is 40%) the chance that the standard farmland province has zero magic sites is 0.8*0.8*0.8*0.8 = 0,4096. (The probability formula is (100% - (40%-20%))^4 ) )

That means that in average 40% of all farmland provinces with such settings have zero magic sites.

Re: New map by Jason Lutes
 

Jason, could I ask a question?

I *love* both of these maps.
Do you think it would be possible to have the tga *larger*? The provinces are often so small that the little icons (I like the candles, money, temples all on) dont fit in the provinces. What if the .tga file were just a bit larger? (Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I know nothing about mapmaking)
Does that make sense?

thanks much for listening

Re: New map by Jason Lutes
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">In Dominions I we believed that it was as Jasper said (it might even have been true once). Many Dominions I players might have the same impression as Jasper. Now it works as Stormbinder says: each of the site slots have a chance of getting a site independent on the other sites.

Re: New map by Jason Lutes
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">You can change the #defaultmapzoom in the map file. It alters the size of the icons vs the map tga.

Re: New map by Jason Lutes
 

oh thanks -- I opened the map file and couldnt find a #defaultmapzoom command. Is that somewhere else? Or if it is not there, must I enter it myself -- does it matter where? And what value(s) does one enter? Sorry and thanks in advance.

Re: New map by Jason Lutes
 

Played with it myself as I had the same desire. You can put #defaultmapzoom right before the #description line. I found that for cradles at least 1.6 or so was about right.

Re: New map by Jason Lutes
 

Wow is that what that does? And all this time I took for granted that it affected the starting position of zoom (pageup/pagedown) so you just started more zoomed out than normal.

(note: I went looking at the mapedit.pdf to see how I could have misunderstood that. Is it just me or is that command missing?)

Re: New map by Jason Lutes
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It affects map zoom but flags/building icons are fixed relative to this value.
So a flag will take "50% less space" in a province is mapzoom is set to 2 for example.
However by doing so the map looks initially more pixellated. You can then zoom out as you want, but the icons will resize correspondingly smaller...
Is that clear ? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Re: New map by Jason Lutes
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It affects map zoom but flags/building icons are fixed relative to this value.
So a flag will take "50% less space" in a province is mapzoom is set to 2 for example.
However by doing so the map looks initially more pixellated. You can then zoom out as you want, but the icons will resize correspondingly smaller...
Is that clear ? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Much, thank you. It sounds like we could use another map command to set the pageup/pagedown zoom level seperately. Hmmmm no that might be too much. Too many petty little commands can intimidate new people from trying mapping. Ishould write up something on "a minimum map project". Kindof like what the Jotun walkthru does for playing the game. Someone might consider that for modding also

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[ April 09, 2004, 14:29: Message edited by: Gandalf Parker ]

Re: New map by Jason Lutes
 

I had no idea about it either. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif
Nice to know this thingie. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: New map by Jason Lutes
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yes, It would.

Re: New map by Jason Lutes
 

Hi there,

Just doing some SP on this awesome map.

I noticed that poor R'lyeh started in province#120, which is a sea province surrounded by non-sea provinces on all sites.

Would it not make sense to mark province 120 as nostart?

Cheers,
Thomas

Re: New map by Jason Lutes
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Speaking of province 120 (Blackwater), it appears to now be of type plains (Grabbed latest .map file as of today). Vanheim's pretender is going to be most displeased when he finds out his army is at the bottom of a lake, and not in a lovely meadow http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Love the map.. Chokepoint heaven.

Re: New map by Jason Lutes
 

Is there a working download site for any of Jason's work anywhere? The links on http://www.illwinter.com/dom2/maps.html currently do not work.

thanks!

Verax

Re: New map by Jason Lutes
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The IW links appear to be working fine for me as of this moment. Please try them again. If you still have problems, I can put the maps up for d/l from my site.

Re: New map by Jason Lutes
 

I have an idea regarding the passability/impassability of terrain that has been discussed in this thread.

There has been mentioned two example scenarios that Dom2 can't handle, that

1. Rivers. It should be possible to have rivers that can't be crossed by units on foot.

2. Mountains and mountain ranges. It should be possible to cross these with flying units.

But how to implement these features with a minimum of work, and complete backwards compatibility? I have a suggestion.

The neighbours part of the .map file looks something like this:

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">#neighbour 141 152
#neighbour 141 165
#neighbour 142 167
#neighbour 142 154</pre><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">If we could append a tag to a connection, banning a certain mode of travel, we could have the above mentioned scenarios.

Suppose we wanted the second connection to be across a wide river, which would make an ulmish army stop in it's tracks. But the hordes of Ermor would march across the bottom of the river, and Caelum would just fly over it. The third connection could be across a mountain range, meaning that only flying units could cross it, and walking and swimming units would be stopped.

In my hypothetical solution it would look like this:

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">#neighbour 141 152
#neighbour 141 165 nowalk
#neighbour 142 167 nowalk noswim
#neighbour 142 154 </pre><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The concept is that you can append "nowalk", "noswim" or "nofly" to any connection to prevent specific modes of travel.
I'm not sure what the point of "nofly" would be, but it should be there for the sake of completeness. "noswim" would include both amphibious and swimming units.

Of course, I don't know how difficult this would be to implement, but at least it would be backwards compatible.

This could of could of course be expanded to include such tags as "noundead", "nosacred", "nomages" and so forth. They could also be inclusive, like "onlypretenders" or "onlymbeings, you get the idea.

But I'm rambling, what do you think?

Re: New map by Jason Lutes
 

Something else that ought to be fixed for Jason's Parganos map - province ... 31 should be nostart. It's the little island in the southwest - 4 neighbors, none of them land. Had to call for a mulligan on that yesterday.

Re: New map by Jason Lutes
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I corrected all of the mistakes I found, and sent the resulting file to Illwinter; it's now on their site (I also changed the "starting province" "rules" for the map: water provinces with only one water neighbour are now nostart).