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Say, Regen, with all the discussion on the thread about MANDATORY DRAIN 3 and all, how is it that you've got Last of the Tuatha for a theme???

@#$*#*#

Way to go Cohen! Another game that's screwed up because of your nutty rules.

[ July 13, 2004, 19:49: Message edited by: Cainehill ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Hmmm. Just curious, if you dislike Cohen's games so much, why in the world you are playing in them? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Hmmm. Just curious, if you dislike Cohen's games so much, why in the world you are playing in them? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Because he hogs the slots on mosehansen? I can _play_ some of his silly rule games, and avoid the others, but trust me - if he was hosting his own games, I'd never join a one.

And the problem is, that in addition to his always picking similar oddball rules, he makes it so complicated that people don't follow the rules.

Mandatory drain 3, for instance - with at least 1 nation that has a positive Magic scale, everyone else is @#$# handicapped research wise.

Anyways, Storm - I see you're continuing your obsession with Norfleet and me, eh?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">This is an issue. How about limiting the number of games that one player can start? I realize you could cheat by registering multiple times, but hopefully the mere fact that this is obviously abusing Mose's server would put people off doing that.

EDIT: This would also encourage people to stop their defunct games, to free up their own slot(s).

[ July 14, 2004, 10:25: Message edited by: Zapmeister ]

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I doubt the game is screwed up by my rules, but only by ppl that doesn't read the rules or ignore them.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">You make games with far too many rules, things that can't be enforced. Then, when people get confused, don't read, etc, the game is screwed up.

Your "house rules" games might be fine for a group of people gathering to start a game via IRC, where each knows, understands, and wants (or at least agrees to) the rules, but they suck for hosting on mosehansen, especially when you aren't willing to do the work to ensure that all players know and follow the @#$@# rules.

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cohen i can't believe your dropping out. I don't know how multiple nations going after you, when your score graphs looked like they did, could be such a suprise.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Typical Cohen. Two turns ago, he had more than twice as many provinces as anyone else. Still has more than twice as many forts. Still has almost twice as much gold income and more gem income than anyone else. Only Man (who cheated) and C'tis have better research.

But, typical Cohen - he overextended, expanding without consolidating his gains and without protecting them, and when people (naturally) take advantage of this and start grabbing his undefended provinces, he doesn't like it. (Won't change his style of play or strategy, but doesn't like the results.)

So it isn't any fun anymore, he's got sand in his underwear - time to quit. Meantime, he isn't enforcing the rules he made, ie, kicking Man to AI for using an invalid Theme / pretender for the game.

So - I guess that from now on, all Cohen's "house rules" are just guidelines - Manticores and VQs are close enough to "human / immobile" pretenders, for instance. 0 clams, 20 clams - close enough.

[ July 16, 2004, 17:15: Message edited by: Cainehill ]

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Not sure I have any problem with house rules. But I do find him leaving the game frustrating. I mean what did he expect us to do. He was twice the size of anyone else. Should we pat him on the back or fear him. The only choice was to bring him down to size. It was not even a coordinated attack. With some diplomacy he could have made a deal with 1 or 2 players allowed himself to be shrunk down to size and been fine. I can only assume he wanted an easy win and anything else isn't fun.

Now I do know the frustration of having multiple powers form a team against you, but that is not what happened, we just all recognized that it was attack him or lose.

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OK for the record, I was not paying attention to the magic/drain scale after choosing Last of the Tuathas (sp). I have been playing 2 different Man gods and spaced on putting the wrong one in.

Frosted Flake has been running my turns for the Last 3 days due to a recent addition to my family. I honestly do not play this game to have to win at all costs and seriously apoligize for any inconvenience this has caused you.

I have no big burden about dropping out of the game, which ever way or what remedy the rest of you that are still left suggest.

I do think that Cohen has some silly rules, but we do accept them when we start his game, and in the future I will pay even more attention to, and run samples of my god to make sure that I follow the letter of said rules.

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Sorry, I'm not interested in a game where in 2-3 turns I'll be annihilated.

Jotunheim, Pangea, Mictlan, Ulm, C'tis were all attacking me, after I and Mictlan had a war against Caelum.

So on even if score graphs shows me as having far more provinces than other ppl, it's totally pointless for me to keep playing where I've firstly no more fun to see every turn a dozen of provinces lost and my armies being smashed.

I tried to play when I was *only* against Jotun-Ulm and Pan ... but when C'tis and Mictlan joined I lost any interest.

I'm not so skilled to deal with all those enemies, especially having only national troops and 2 non commander summons.

I'm recreating another game with strange rules however.
Tell me only if I need to use masterpassword to set AI Man or not ... up to the vote of other players. (if master pass works)

[ July 16, 2004, 22:49: Message edited by: Cohen ]

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Cohen you can not seriously expect everyone else to sit and watch your empire grow to over twice the size of everyone elses and then stop and allow you time to consolidate and be nice enough to attack you one or two at a time. Thats the way the politics of this game work, and thats the way they SHOULD work. Next time you should realize this and cut your growth back in favor of consolidation so you dont become the automatic target.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Don't count on it with Cohen. This is the second game I've been in with him where he was way ahead of everyone in the graphs and then quit. The other one, he was sprawled across almost the whole width of a wrap around map (Orania), with most of it being only 2 to 3 provinces 'deep'. Sure, he was able to expand massively and have 'fun' doing so, but while building an empire that was ridiculously fragile and vulnerable. Soon as people started hitting the weak links - AI. Still in the lead on most graphs.

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I've encountered this behaviour from Cohen as well. It wouldn't normally bother me, since I get to choose who I play against, but if I play exclusively on the mosehansen server (which I do) then this privilege is denied to me.

The reason is that Cohen is hogging the server with his games. He starts one, quits early, starts another. At the moment 25% of the running games on mosehansen were started by Cohen.

Esben, if you're reading this, can you think of a solution?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">And now he's gone one further - he just stopped this game, because he'd gone AI, and so doesn't want it to count against his quota.

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What an a$$hat

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lol. classic

though it could well just be incompetence on Cohen's part - that certainly wouldn't be unexpected http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ July 18, 2004, 23:44: Message edited by: archaeolept ]

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I disowned the game, don't stopped it.
Game is uprunning for what I know.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It was stopped when I looked earlier. And why are you disowning the games? They're still _yours_.

Now you're just being dishonest by trying to remove your name from the games you made.

Rather like going to the bathroom on the floor, and trying to make sure your name isn't there too.

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look cohen, esben asked that you limit yourself to 3 games on his server. that surely includes any and all that you have previously started, whether or not you have yet gone AI in them.

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I was wondering if a Lich counts as a Human/Immobile pretender?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">sheesh

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Look, I mostly agree with the points of the people that dont like Cohen hogging slots, but this has gone far enough i think. He has not started a game since this big hoopla started, and while he quit in the lead in one game (a decision i disagree with) this constant insulting and belittling has got to stop. He's obviously very enthusiastic about this game, and likes to win, just like everyone else. But all your doing by throwing personal insults into the mix is making this forum worse, and i dont want to see it anymore. If this crap keeps up the most likely result is the loss of someone who's faults as i see them, are liking the game alot and not being the best at it. Maybe thats what some people want, but i dont want to see anyone chased away like that. This is just like a couple months ago when Norfleet and his questionable information tactics were the flavour of the moment.

[edit] Oh, and about the lich. No.

[ July 28, 2004, 01:35: Message edited by: Cheezeninja ]

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I hesitate to post in a thread for a game I'm not involved in, but Cheezeninja makes an important point.

Let's keep this place civilised.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Please do look at the very first post in this entire thread. You'll see the bit about :

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">In other words - no the lich is not immobile or human, but it was explicitly mentioned as allowable by the person creating the game and rules.

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Well I can't be responsible for everything on this thread, but it is a game that is currently still running and this is the place to post with questions or issue, that involve the others playing in this game.

So we can't let this thread die until the game is over. Even if the creator of the game left.

Oh and he is not playing a lich, but someone is.

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ok I will check it out. Was surprised to see a lich in play.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Given that it'd been 9 days (19 July) since the Last comment was made about Cohen, I'm not sure why you're bringing this up now, unless your real intent is to rile people up again by reminding them of Cohen's faults.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Actually, no - his faults are that he's greedy, selfish, and inconsiderate, as evidenced by his hogging slots with games whose mutant rules suited his gaming fetish, by his repeatedly quitting those games and thus screwing them up for people, his infantile "Okay, I'm disowning the many games I created and quit from" as though that fixed things, and temporarily even going so far as to stop games that he'd started but quit from.

Rather like a punk kid who really likes to play monopoly or risk with the other kids, but who then quits in the middle of the game just because he isn't having fun anymore, regardless of the impact on the other people playing the game.

(Let's not forget his grabbing the game as soon as it comes open, and insisting on mutant rules, and basically attempting to take his game board home with him at times. Yes, I'd be perfectly happy if he stopped playing, because he screws up almost every game he has been in -- getting greedy in negotiations, playing hardball "If you don't let me have those 10 provinces, it's war", starting wars that screw other players over, and then quitting rather than living with the mess that he made.)

Now then - as I said, why did you feel a need to bring this up and remind people of their feelings about Cohen when noone had bashed him in a week and a half, regardless of how much he deserves it? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I was surprised to see it as an option myself, given the limitations on other pretenders, but was happy to jump on the loophole when I saw it. If only I had started as one of Abysia's neighbors, I would have been ecstatic. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif