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Feh. Knudsen / Machaka apparently didn't understand what "immobile / human pretender" meant.

So, Cohen - what is your protocol for dealing with the inevitable pretender screwups in your flaky games? Frankly, all possibilities I see suck.

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Why? What pretender he's?

We should confine him to the capitol probably and site searching in provinces, and turn AI if he uses for combat purpose.

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He's got a Lord of Fertility sitting right on my border - hardly human, and hardly immobile.

Edit: And given that I've never seen a Knudsen posting here, who knows if he reads this forum at all. Presumably he wouldn't have used an invalid pretender if he did. I'll let you message him in game or whatnot, since it's your game and your rules.

If you do more variant games, I'd suggest you start enforcing that people have to post here to make sure they know the variant rules. Then again - if they aren't anonymous, you can't kick them anyway.

And setting him to AI would hardly be wonderful, since then I definately have an SC right on my border.

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Cohen wrote the rule in the description of the game on mosehansen too . So it is only Knudsen`s fault .

So perhaps Moses could include a kick player xy command too for games with special houserules cause as you said otherwise you can't kick someone who has already registered .

I guess that Knudsen just joined the latest restart and there Cohen wrote only Human or Immobile so probably Knudsen just misunderstood it .

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The solution seems simple to me. In order for Knudsen to be allowed to continue in this game, the Machaka lord must go into his capitol and never again leave its home except by casting travel spells (could be difficult with a nature pretender), thus becoming an immoble.

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Using his pretender as SC gave him already an advantage .
And by the time he recieves the ingame msg this creates 1-2 more turns delay . Worst case he even attacked Cainehill then once or twice already .

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Boron's right in a sense; he already has received an advantage from his SC. But it's too late to do much about that, beyond kicking the player which seems over-harsh. I think Panther's suggestion is the right one.

On a different subject, I know YellowCactus is home and hurricane free. Are we going to switch back to 24hours soon?

Mark

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Yes we'll be back to 24 quickhost asap I see in the board that Yellow has come back.

How do you know that Mark?

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Overly harsh? Having just been in and lost a battle with his army and SC together, I don't think so. If someone can't be bothered to check out and obey the rules for a game, why should they be allowed to play?

Cohen - did you send Messages to him?

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How can you kick a registered player ?
Cohen can only turn him ai with masterpassword or can he kick him too ?
If Cohen sets him ai the ai will continue attacking Caine probably .

We should restart i think and everybody participating has to post here on the board that he understands the houserules .
On the other hand once someone registers like knudsen but doesn't read the forum i don't know how you can kick him then . Just everything that could went wrong seems to have went wrong here http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

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Cohen, is there some reason why you don't at least send out a message on turn one of your mutant games, reminding people of the rules and asking if they are in compliance? That way the games could be restarted much more quickly, without wasting more of people's time?

I mean - they're your games, your house rules, your responsibility for ensuring compliance.

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We're playing in another game and he e-mailed us to say precisely that. I'll ask him to post here and confirm if you like.

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He attacked then?

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Yes, Yellowcactus is back. He just took one of my provinces. I don't think he reads this thread though.

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someone who is so far out of compliance w/ the rules of the game needs to be set to AI - but only after his pretender and troops and resources are suicided.

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By the way, are we on 2.1.4 now? I noticed that mosehansen was set to 2.1.4 now, so I upgraded my game to that too. I saw in another post that the game has to be restarted though for this to take effect.

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Cainehill, it's not my fault if someone doesn't read the dedicated thread.

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Cohen - no one is _required_ to be a forum reader to join games on Mosehansen. So, yes it bloody well is your fault when you keep making mutant games and do NOTHING to ensure players go by your rules.

In your drain-3 mandatory game, I've had someone with Last of the Tuatha - ie, a magic scale. In your human / immobile games, we get people with pretenders that are neither.

You ought to keep your mutant rules to your own private games, where you can get confirmation that the players know of the rules and intend to abide by them. If you can't get Illwinter to put in game options that enforce different rules, you shouldn't create public games that get hosed when people don't abide by them.

And at _least_ you ought to be doing as I said - putting out a message to all players on turn 1, asking them to confirm that they've gone by the rules of the game.

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*growl* And of course, Cohen was too lazy to send the guy a message when told about it. Way to go, 'hen.

On the bright side - the Lord of Fertility is now -1 in each magic path, and I intend to render the issue moot by destroying Machaka before it's recalled.

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I was thinking to restart the game, if you want Cainehill.

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You still haven't answered why you didn't send him a message regarding the pretender, and telling him he had to keep the pretender in his home province, like you said.

The words 'lazy' and 'irresponsible' come to mind.

But no - don't restart the game. I'm killing Machaka, and then I'm coming for Abysia.

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You're coming on late.
Tien Chi is already doing the job.

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I regularly see you complaining about Cohen's "mutant games". Yet you're always playing in them.

Agreed; being a game host comes with responsibilities. It's the hosts job to sort out problems like this.

Mark

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Mutant isn't necessarily a derogatory term. A few of my favorite games have been mutants. And given that I once called a SO 'Godzilla', obviously I have a thing for mutants. (Note : there are much more successful, endearing, pet names of affection than 'Godzilla'.)

Anyways - it's not the mutant games I object to - it's Cohen's way of going about them. (Not just the way he once had 6 mutant games going at once on mosehansen.)

Yep. But instead, Cohen allowed the game to continue two more turns without doing a thing to remedy things.

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Always wanted to see the inside of a Pangaean capitol!

-Yc

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-Yc

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Do you like it? Come on in and I'll show you around. We've been planting lots of shrubbery, you know.

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Enjoy the castle YC. I'll probably go AI in a turn or two since I have no stronghold and am just wandering about now, trying to stay alive. Well done.

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Blah!
I'm enjoying a power-surge. Hopefully will be back on-line soon. If not, Would you (Lingchih) like to take over Mictlan? Is that possible without access to my hard-drive? You could re-plant some shrubs, and even bring some to Mictlan. Red flowers are the vouge there.
-Yc

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I am in temporary charge of Mictlan until Yellow Cactus is able to do his turns again. Barring the unexpected, I should be able to play one turn every day without problem (is it 24 hours or 48 hours turns?).

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GG Lebarjack . If i hadn't wasted my army stupidly perhaps the fight would have been more interesting http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif .
I learned the hard way now that magma eruptions aren't so good too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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Should your cavalry been backed up by your smiths on the first battle, it would be a very different story.
And the countless fodder and crossbowmen your smiths slaughtered don't think magma eruption are pointless http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smirk.gif.
All these battles were very tight.

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Interesting about this magma eruption thing. Since I have never played Vanheim before (but I have played Ulm), I didn't even know that Van could recruit the smiths! But these Van smiths are different than those Ulm smiths in two ways:
1. They get no forge bonus.
2. They come with 3 earth and 1 random.

I therefore discovered that magma bolts and magma eruptions just ain't gonna cut it for the Van smiths, as only 1/8 of the dudes get the fire random. But the 3 earth means bladewinds galore, even without the summon earthpower spell or the earth boots!

Anyway, I have always thought from my previous Ulm experience that magma eruption is a superior spell for the most part over bladewinds.

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I've found both spells (magma eruption and bladewind) quite handy for different circumstances. Eruption is wonderful against heavily armored troops, but bladewind seems better for clearing out archers and mages and such; best of all, it isn't going to do much to your own troops, if you're Ulm.

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Am I the only one who thinks it'd be nice to switch to 48QH now?

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Fine by me!
-Yc

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Gentlemen
As the long silent, and now probably long dead nation of Machaka, I belive an apology on my part is in order.

When I joined this game (my first multi player game) several unfortunate events coincided.

I was at the time unaware of this forum and new to the game, and thus didn't get the bit about pretender restrictions.

Equally unfortunate was that I had to leave town just as the game started which caused me to lose the first two turns. But at least that didn't put anyone but me at a disadvantage.

After my first battle with Cainehill, he sent an in game message about the Pretender rule, which I received in the same turn in which he killed said Pretender. Problem solved ;-)

But since I was then, A) In conflict with your rules, B) Missing a Pretender and C) Two moves behind, I decided to "Go Computer" to clean out the mess I had made.

Regretfully

Knudsen_

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Wait....
So I wasn't supposed to have a Vq? {Just teasing}. I think everyone has crashed a game or two as a new player. Cainehill has a right to be miffed, but he's not mad at you.
-Probably. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Since Cainehill was in an excellent position to take over my miniature Empire when Marchaka went belly up, I believe he was compensated for any inconvenience I caused. If anyone else hold a grudge, feel free to try to take revenge in future games http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Not to mention that you did a wonderful job site searching for me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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All part of the service

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Looking rather like Mark the Merciful is going to stale this game and one other, as well as YellowCactus (again).

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Yea.
But it was one heck of a party this weekend! Hope Mark comes back though.
-Yc

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When he gets back, Mark surely ain't gonna be happy by how bad I utterly slaughtered his seiging army! 12 mages and 81 troops he lost.

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So....
Is there a point where Cainhill is Too Powerful and we jump him? Or would that be unthinkable? I vote for Marignon to turn away from my fertile empire and kill someone else!
-Yc

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I vote for Marignon to kill both Pythium and Mictlan as punishment for them jumping on me! I hope he can do this while they are still both so busy inside my former territory.

Had you guys not attacked me, I would have gladly joined in the standard anti-Caelum alliance. But it's too late now.

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Hi folks.

I'm afraid I've staled several turns and dropped all diplomatic communications over the Last couple of weeks. I'm posting the current explanation/apology in a number of game threads and e-mails at the moment.

I seem to have overloaded myself with games, but done it in such a gradual way that I didn't notice until I went abroad on holiday. The holiday was very nice, but I found when I came to settle up that I'd run up an internet access bill that was bigger than my bar bill in trying to keep up with my games. The rhythm I'd got into pre-holiday was completely disrupted, and I missed a large number of deadlines in different games during the week after I came back.

I've now, mostly, got my game schedule re-organised and running again. Sorry to everyone for the half-assed way I've been playing this one recently, and I hope to give it more attention from now on. And sorry to Vanheim for bashing you - Mictlan made me do it! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Mark

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The Ice-Devil made me do it!
-Yc

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I wasn't aware being at war with you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif
When I started my war against Pythium, he and caelum were the two top ranking nations. I had to make a choice.
Now that I had a taste of Pythium Dreadful Flying Golem, I just need to try Mictlan Icedevil Killing Machine and I will probably reconsider my offensive http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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And Mictlan made a dire mistake, in starting yet another war while in the midst of several. Now, Caelum shall aid Marignon in devastating the lovers of blood; their temples shall burn, their ice devils shall be drowned in the very water they congealed from, and their lands shall be buried beneath the weight of the wrath of Ash.

But, this very month there shall also be rejoicing in Mictlan, and voices raised in song, though their Great Pretender may weep like a babe and cry out, 'Forgiveness!'

I don't start many hostilities, but I do so love finishing them. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif