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So let us say we will do 24 hour quickhost until turn 20 and then 48 hour quickhost thereafter. Any objections?

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that sounds good to me.

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I am going to kick off the server Sunday evening just in case any stragglers want to join, so get your pretenders uploaded if you haven't already!

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Nasty Edition research is set to standard research by default.

Are people ok with this, if not does anyone know how to mod the scenario so that research is set to hard?

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It's actually ok. Considering the number of gems that are getting pumped into everyone's economies I'm sure that they are going to want to spend them.

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I am just afraid of research being so fast that I wont be able to adjust, and as a newby get crushed...

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you need to know the appropriate command and put it under the scenario specialties.

something like

#research 2 or #magicresearch 2

also you'll need to edit the .map to change the #features to 75

knowing the commands for setting HoF to 15 and commander renaming on would also be very nice...

perhaps

#renaming 1

just mod the file and see if it works in a test http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

edit: nope those renaming and research commands weren't the right ones

Ahh - just delete the #scenario from the .map

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You can change both the HoF and renaming in-game. I have yet to see a command about the research setting in the mapmodding file however; hopefully it has been forgotten in the documation, and does exist, but I am not positive about this.

Actually, just removing the #scenario flag seems to work fine. It allows you to set up all standard settings as usual, without removing the special commanders/starting sites. Make sure not to disable "Special starting locations" however, and it *should* work out. I was also beaten to it in this contest of cross-edits. *Waves at the poster below*

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I'm about to take off to visit my GF. I won't be back until late Sunday night. Don't start without me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Please let me know if it's going to be standard or difficult research. Makes all the difference.

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Well I am going to make it hard research as stated in the first post. Is that bad?

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No, this was what I was expecting and what I planned for. If you were to suddenly change back to normal research, I would have wanted to take Pythium back or something.

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Ok, I'll try as Mictlan.

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Question: Sea Troll kings produce water gems each turn. Are these allowed?

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They better be allowed or these house rules are getting really silly.

The no blood stone thing is already pushing it. Has anyone ever mass produced blood stones for the earth gem? It's by far the most expensive free gem out there.

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i've mass produced blood stones but only w/ the forge up

otherwise, yeah, they are expensive and difficult to exploit, and provide a fairly important +1 earth bonus for mictlan and aybsia especially.

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Sea troll kings and troll kings are fine. They are expensive, and require upkeep, so they do not yield the kind of growth curve that fetishes/stones/clams do.

Blood stones may be the most expensive free gem producer out there but its still cheap. I have mass produced them without too much trouble as Abysia. Granted they are not as good as clams and fetishes...

As for being an important +E boost, you should be able to do fine with earth boots and staff of elemental mastery... how many +E items do you need?? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Also eliminating fetishes/stones/clams makes the forge a little less of a game winning global. Still very good! But not grotesquely awesome http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Are all pretenders uploaded?
If so can we start?

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Missing Pangea and Ctis... Also I must edit the mapfile.

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Also for races whose mages don't have any feet and can't wear earth boots. Several of the races that are left open are affected by this.

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Those poor legless bastards!

At least they can still use the staff of elemental mastery so they ought to pull through.

Ok new .map file uploaded to the webpage. You can download the zip directly at:

http://www.soapyfrog.net/dom2/oraniane_1_1.zip

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c'tis is uploaded now...i think I did it right, anyway. =)

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Yep! Only Pangea to go...

Don't forget to download the updated map file.

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Whoops did someone hit "start game"?

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Someone hit start game but Pangea is not yet uploaded. Anyone know if its possible to back up a step?

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Yep. You back up to starting the game all over and everyone re-uploading their pretenders.

And this time, you set the game so that people can't start it.

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Huzzah! And how does one do that...

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Ha, no need to re-upload.

You simply restart Dom2 and set up a network game with the same name/port and all is well.

Good to know!! So the moment Pangea uploads their pretender, we can kick it off.

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I'm done. I noticed that in this thread you said v2.13 but the site says 2.14. Does it matter?

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You can play with either Version on your computer. You might have problems viewing battle replays with the wrong Version, though. 2.14 seems to be a fixed 2.13 so I don't see a reason for the server not to run it.

And since everyone seems to be uploaded, I guess I'll start the game.

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Just be damn careful, if you do that, that you do not override some of the more important settings. E.g. if you remove the #scenario, you can set the number of starting provinces, and this number does not take the number of provinces granted in the scenario file into account.

Anyhow, have fun spellslinging. I predict a weird game for you all, as some of the special sites can have a substantial influence on strategies if you let them. E.g. certain nations are rather more dangerous summoners than they are usually, and an Iron Faith Ulm going for massed Templars and a decent blessing might even be feasible.

...And don't play with a human Atlantis without R'lyeh and/or Ermor, or they will slay you all.

For those (if any) unaccustomed to special sites that let you enter them, they can be entered by one commander (usually a specific magic type commander) per turn only, by giving him the strategic "enter site" command. If you have a monster-generating site, it nearly always pays off to park mages there for permanent summoning over time. Some of the troops granted are not negligible.

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We have no water nations in this map, but this means that Ermor will have free rein of Atlantis' provinces since they're controlled by AI.

I think that some nations have better advantages that others. Conjuration and Construction bonuses rock. Alteration bonus (Pythium) is less cool because there are few early game Alteration rituals.

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Server is up and running.

We'll do 24h quickhost until turn 20 then go over to 48h quickhost (unless there are objections).

Server is running v2.14.

Yeah I carefully tested it a few times to discover all the pitfalls. Tricky... it would be WAY easier if you could set all the game options in the .map file! Well maybe you can but I couldn't figure out how http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Set the AIs to impossible as the map is intended for, then.

First, it is damn sure that some nations have better advantages than others. While I have tried to achieve a modicrum of balance, the Nasty Edition has primarily been designed for SP use, and thus it is practically guaranteed to be unbalanced in some respects. So? The challenge is to do the best with the hand you are dealt rather than make everything equal or wishing you had somebody elses hand. (The real challenge, of course, is to steal their hand and make their advantages yours. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif) In fact, it is vitally important to inspect the map and your starting position before designing your Pretender, as some starting positions enhance strategies that are otherwise not common.

Some nations definitely have better long-term ritual advantages than others. Likewise, some nations have better short-term advantages, recruitment, or leaders that they should attempt to use to achieve advantage.

You mention Pythium. Instead of focusing on what they have not (Conjuration 50%), focus on what they have: Alteration 20% and Enchantment 20%, both of which can be valuable in the long run even if they are not suited for building the entire game strategy around, more astral gems than you can shake a stick at, access to cheap elemental research wizards from the Castle Arcanum that can complement the standard Theurgs very well and are not vulnerable to mind duels, and a starting leader, Peter Magus the FFAAEE Warrior Mage, who comes fully equipped with decent beginning items and neatly plugs the initial Fire/Earth lack of Pythium. (Strip and give the items to a decent SC pretender if that is your cup of tea, Peter Magus can always be used as a very versatile forger) Even better the Castle Arcanum should have decent recruitment of tough heavy cavalry as well.

Now, if you want to think of something more scary than Conjuration 50 in the long run... Think of the Jotun owned province of the Triple Peaks... Positively scary. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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I set them to medium as some of the newer players had concerns about competing vs AI opponents http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

If that gives Ermor a big advantage we'll just have to GANG UP HIM!! GET HIM GUYS!!! *sounds of repeated boots-to-the-head, followed by groaning*

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A favor if possible: I'd like to ask that a note be posted here whenever a new turn is up, because starting up Dom2 just to connect to see if there's a new turn is a real drag for me. Thanks.

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Ok. We are on Turn 2.

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deccan - its far easier to create a desktop shortcut specifically to the game. then its just a quick click/doubleclick to check the status.

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It's true: I won't remember to updated this thread every time we play a turn.

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How do I make a shortcut point specifically to the game?

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There is a file called command_line_switches.txt in your doc repertory. In order to make a shortcut for a game, create a shortcut of your Dominions exe, go to Properties => Shortcut, and select the Target field.

You should add the commands --ipadr [IP] --port [XXXX] after dom2.exe, with the IP of the server and the port of the game. For example, it could give the following for a Mosehansen game (Yarnspinners in my example):
C:\dominions2\dom2.exe --ipadr mosehansen.dk --port 2292

Hope it helps!

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Make a copy of the Dom 2 shortcut, click on properties and change target to:

C:\games\dominions2\dom2.exe --tcpclient --ipadr soapyfrog.no-ip.info --port 2345 --nonationsel

That's in windows and your dom2.exe directory might be different.

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Thanks folks!

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here's one of mine, for instance:
two other useful switches are, i find:

--res 1065 806
(creates the game in a window of whatever size you specify)

--clickvol 0
(gets rid of that annoying click noise. hell, maybe later patches already got rid of it - I just need to be sure ;-) )

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Humm.. C'Tis you are around?

You did not play your turn yesterday, and it seems that you have not played today...

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Yes, wo ist Daesthai?

Also: any mod which wants to move this thread to the MP forum please feel free!

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I guess he disapears... He must have had no believer left...

Not joking: what do we do? Replace him with an I?

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I sent him a PM. Hopefully we'll get some news...

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Why would someone join a new game and then disappear without going AI before turn 5? Maybe his computer exploded.

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Hey guys the server is going down for a little bit, sorry for any inconvenience.

It should be back up by 1:00am EST.