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Fyron December 8th, 2004 03:27 AM

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Ahem a problem I spotted right off is that the "school children" of 1930s germany couldn't have grown up to be the SS of WWII as most would have been younger then 18.

That is not a problem in any way. Many people that were school children of the 1930s were of proper age to become members of the SS during the war. That is an entire decade there... 17 year olds in school are certainly "school children."

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As to Hitler and religion look here:
(link removed because UBB makes crappy scripts that completely butchered it)
as well as some other interesting stuff.

That site is too filled with political hogwash and personal attack to be of much academic merit...

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Your link sounds like it is desperately trying to turn about the common belief that Hitler and the Nazi's were occultist in their views to make people beleive that it was Religion's fault so I don't much take that one guy's article over so many history books and shows I've watched and read.

No, it does not attempt to make it seem like it was "Religion's fault." It merely debunks the myth that Hitler was an atheist, and that he was not Christian (Catholic to be more precise).

What do you mean by "occultists," exactly? Do you mean, mixing in a bit of Norse mythology to help instill national pride? That is not "occultist" by any means. Unless, of course, you are a Christian Fundamentalist... but that is an entirely different can of worms...

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narf poit chez BOOM said:
Direct qoute from that site.
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When confronted by the fact that Hitler's example hardly helps in their slander campaign against atheists,

I am not trying to slander atheists, I'm trying to stop people from slandering religeons. Nice 'interpretation' of the motives of >EVERY< religeos person who argues against you [/qoute]Nice way to take it out of context. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif He was writing about those slandering atheism, not about you trying to stop slander against religions.

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some anti-atheists suddenly switch gears to Marxism and point out that Marxism is atheistic, in an obvious attempt to tie atheism to past and present human rights abuses in Russia and China. However, that is a logical fallacy: the fact that all Marxists are atheists does not mean that all atheists must therefore be Marxists (if you don't understand why that's a fallacy, go back to school). It's also an unnecessary slander against Marxists. [/qoute] Ok, I've read this three times and I don't have a clue what he's saying. Of course all atheists are not marxists. And I doubt everybody who says the're a marxist is an athiest, either. What's the guys point?

Think McCarthyism. Marx espoused atheism. Nations like the Soviet Union and the "Communist" China claimed to be Marxist and committed countless atrocities. Therefore, they must have commited them because they are Godless atheists. Thus, Godless atheists are evil. This is the sort of thinking he was writing against.

[qoute][qoute]While I find Marx's communist ideas to be very seriously flawed, I must note that he never would have approved of the violent regimes of Stalin or Mao. Atheism is merely the refusal to believe in a God for whom no scientific evidence exists. It does not necessarily lead to Stalinism, or decadence, or the breakdown of family values, or any of these other ridiculous charges that are routinely levied at it.

Religeon is merely a system of belief in some sort of higher power, because of personal choice and sometimes personal evidence, even if there is no demonstratable, scientific evidence. It does not necessarily lead to totoleranism, or mass-murder, or the breakdown of rationality, or any of these other ridiculous charges that are routinely levied at it.

I think you misconstrue postings about the atrocities committed in the name of religions, ordained directly by them (Christianity is one of the worst offenders, primarily Catholicism), as some sort of statement that religion is only about such things...

narf poit chez BOOM December 8th, 2004 03:36 AM

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I am a better person because of my religeon than I would be without it. No other institution, save that of my family, I have ever encountered, could have taught me morality so successfully.

brianeyci December 8th, 2004 03:44 AM

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Unfortunately I have to admit it, but watching reruns of TNG after coming home from school at 4:00 pm (yes, I rushed home to watch it) is what I attribute to some of my morality. Especially the "Prime Directive" and live and let live philosophy, although now that I'm older I see Star Trek as a totally unworkable dream fantasy and the possibility a "Prime Directive" mentality being used as justification of withholding help from needy people.

Brian

Fyron December 8th, 2004 03:45 AM

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narf poit chez BOOM said:
I am a better person because of my religeon than I would be without it. No other institution, save that of my family, I have ever encountered, could have taught me morality so successfully.

Your family could easily have taught you morality in the absence of religion. It happens all the time. Religion is in no way required for morality.

Fyron December 8th, 2004 03:47 AM

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brianeyci said:
Unfortunately I have to admit it, but watching reruns of TNG after coming home from school at 4:00 pm (yes, I rushed home to watch it) is what I attribute to some of my morality. Especially the "Prime Directive" and live and let live philosophy, although now that I'm older I see Star Trek as a totally unworkable dream fantasy and the possibility a "Prime Directive" mentality being used as justification of withholding help from needy people.

There were a number of episodes where it was indeed used to withhold help from needy people, just because it would interfere with their development.

narf poit chez BOOM December 8th, 2004 03:49 AM

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Nothing wrong with that. One of our LDS (The other short form, not LSD) beliefs is 'if there is anything virtious, lovely or of good report, or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.' As I remember it. My memory might not be exact, but the meaning is clear.

brianeyci December 8th, 2004 03:59 AM

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Imperator Fyron said:There were a number of episodes where it was indeed used to withhold help from needy people, just because it would interfere with their development.

Yes well Picard always gave a long-winded philosophical speech about withholding help, and me being 10-14 or so I bought into a lot of them, until I was older and realized that his philosophical justification was really a practical justification. The Feds can't help everybody around, because they need to keep control of their technology and wouldn't have the resources to help every downtrodden alien race that comes along.

Brian

Starhawk December 8th, 2004 04:02 AM

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[/quote]Your family could easily have taught you morality in the absence of religion. It happens all the time. Religion is in no way required for morality.

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Well Imperator as I said you are free to hold to your own beliefs in this country, and I suppose to understand what a Christian (I am talking about a good normal person that happens to be a christian, not including the far right or far left Groups in this term) means when they say that they are better because of their religious beleifs then they would be without them you'd have to feel it for yourself.

It truely is different to have faith then simple morality.

As a friend of mine often said
"Faith does not equal morality and morality does not equal faith, one can exist with out the other, but when they become one it is a far better thing."

It is true I can have faith in God but be immoral I can also have faith in only myself but be a very "moral" person, Religion and morality are not by default in the same boat and each can exist without the other but it's always better to have Faith in God AND be moral then just to be Moral in my opinion http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Starhawk December 8th, 2004 04:04 AM

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LOL I always saw the Federation as a weak organization, I mean the Klingons and Romulans BOTH being warlike expansionistic empires should be able to easily kick the crap out of such a weak and gutless group.

narf poit chez BOOM December 8th, 2004 04:09 AM

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Imperator Fyron said:
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narf poit chez BOOM said:
I am a better person because of my religeon than I would be without it. No other institution, save that of my family, I have ever encountered, could have taught me morality so successfully.

Your family could easily have taught you morality in the absence of religion. It happens all the time. Religion is in no way required for morality.

True, and my religeon would have had a hard time teaching me morality if my family didn't. But the two of them together taught me morality more effectively than either apart. To not leave out other influences, fiction books I read also taught me morality. I am always annoyed when someone says 'But the're just fiction. How could they be usefull?'

And I would also be annoyed if someone advocated banning atheism.

brianeyci December 8th, 2004 04:15 AM

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Starhawk said:It is true I can have faith in God but be immoral I can also have faith in only myself but be a very "moral" person, Religion and morality are not by default in the same boat and each can exist without the other but it's always better to have Faith in God AND be moral then just to be Moral in my opinion http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Sorry, but your opinion is offensive and wrong. By suggesting that it is better to have "faith" and morality than simple morality, you are almost suggesting that your morality is superior to someone else's morality who doesn't have "faith". Define what you mean to "have faith" and define what you mean to be "moral".

If you choose "having faith" to be something really ambigious, like being optimistic and thinking there is a creator out there, it is different than saying "having faith" and intepreting the words in the Bible.

At risk of sounding offensive to you, "in my opinion", faith is something that a person needs to think that they have a purpose in life/are superior to those without faith, including other types of lifeforms. In other words, "faith" is burying your head in the sand "in my opinion" (see how offensive that sounds lol).

Brian

Fyron December 8th, 2004 04:19 AM

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Starhawk said:
It is true I can have faith in God but be immoral I can also have faith in only myself but be a very "moral" person, Religion and morality are not by default in the same boat and each can exist without the other but it's always better to have Faith in God AND be moral then just to be Moral in my opinion http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I will have to respectfully disagree with entire thesis. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I will also avoid opening a can of worms just before I go to bed and not post the rest of what I was going to. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

narf poit chez BOOM December 8th, 2004 04:23 AM

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brianeyci said:
At risk of sounding offensive to you, "in my opinion", faith is something that a person needs to think that they have a purpose in life/are superior to those without faith, including other types of lifeforms. In other words, "faith" is burying your head in the sand "in my opinion" (see how offensive that sounds lol).

Brian

Plenty of people do both without faith.

Could we quit trying to offend each other now?

Timstone December 8th, 2004 07:14 AM

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I side with Imperator and Braineyci. I too think that religion (any religion) is not something we absolutely need to become better people.
And as I stated in my first message here I said the that banishing all religion is not a viable option. Like Starhawk said, the problem is too complex for that. Yes, I said "the problem" and I meant religion and the difficulties that go with it.
Religion is not always the believe in a higher power, it can also be a strong believe in a certain way of live (Hindoeism), confidence in a leader of a country (Thailand) or an absolute dedication to the realisation of something (the progress of technology). Core of this is my definition of religion. I define religion as a very strong believe in something, for examples see the text above.

Too many kill in the name of some god or deity. The only way to eradicate acts like this is to banish all the beliefs. Unfortunately that isn't an option. So maybe it's possible to do as the Roman did; absorp all religions and adpat them slightly to accomodate everyone. Then the only problem you have is tolerance or extremism (depending how you want to translate it). So then you must find a way to let those "people" change their mind.

Oh, and a bit late, but countries like China do have a religion. They officially have no religion, but every Chinese has it's own gods (depending on where they live in China). And don't forget the religion that glorify the head of the state.

Everyone:
Please don't use the word "offensive" or "be offended" by anything that is said in this intersting thread. The name of this thread is crystalclear and you can expect to find alternate believs in this thread. So don't enter this discussion if you are easily offended by other beliefs.

narf poit chez BOOM December 8th, 2004 09:12 AM

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I have yet to be offended; I have been angry, annoyed, peeved, confused and worried, but I'm not offended. I was simply worried about the possibility. As for my anger...It's a familiar problem.

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The name of this thread is crystalclear and you can expect to find alternate believs in this thread.
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I think you are a little tired, my friend, because this is the one about aliens. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

As for the roman 'absorpsion', would that include forcing nearly everybody to worship the emporer?

I would also like to say that intollerance and discrimination are two of the foundations of civilization. First, a civilization cannot tolerate crime, and then a civilization must discriminate between the criminal and the innocent, untill the punishment is over. (Barring certain circumstances, like ex-criminals in the police force, which would certainly be difficult if one wished to permit it.)

They are certainly not bad words.

Timstone December 8th, 2004 09:21 AM

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Hahaha... great answers Narf!
This is one of the reasons I really love this forum. he people are inteligent, tolerant and very funny. They always make me smile on a bad day (especially Raging Deadstar, but that's another story).
I really appreciate your answers.

As for worshipping the emperor concerns. I don't know if you should give one person absolute power. I could be good, it could be bad.

But back to the aliens.
Maybe they have already visited this planet and feld it in terror. We poison ourselfs and our planet and we play very bad music on the radio. ALso most of the programs on the tube aren't worthwhile. Nah, they're long gone... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Mayday December 8th, 2004 09:51 AM

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Timstone said:
Religion is not always the believe in a higher power, it can also be a strong believe in a certain way of live (Hindoeism), confidence in a leader of a country (Thailand) or an absolute dedication to the realisation of something (the progress of technology). Core of this is my definition of religion. I define religion as a very strong believe in something, for examples see the text above.

Religion is the belief in the divine. You describe ideology. Ideology is always present with religion but religion is not always present with ideology.

Anyway, religion is not the cause for war, it on its own is not the bad thing. The bad thing is the prejudices of humans and their greed and their willingness to use religion to justify to themselves and others that their evil actions are in the right.
Religion was often just the political tool used to leverage the masses into serving the religion's political interest. Because, in the past, people lived so harshly, they had to believe in the afterlife, as a reward for all their hard effort, as well as punishment for their crimes. In this way, the religious organisation maintained a level of peace within society while being able to turn the populace against an enemy, I mean, hey, they're the priests, they should know evil when they see it, right?
The Spanish Inquisition was an organisation whose members were good people. Good, religious people. They thought that all their torturous acts were cleansing the souls of those they 'helped' so their victims would make it into Heaven. After all, what is a period of incredible pain compared to the possibility of eternity in hell? And these fine people weren't even sure that they themselves wouldn't be punished for their acts with eternal damnation, but they put others first.
Anyway, I'd be very surprised if the whole organisation wasn't being used for political gain.

Now, back to the original topic.
Meeting aliens would lead to us developing interstellar travel far faster than any sane alien would want us to.
Facts:
We are capable of rapid expansion.
We are on the verge of making ourselves live for aeons.
We are adaptable.
We are quick to pick things up.
We are treacherous.
We do not like others being in more powerful positions than us, it engenders fear and suspicion.

Why would any sane alien want to let beings with our physical and mental abilities, and mindset, loose in the Galaxy? They wouldn't. It's best to either wait for us to change our mindset and culture, or to simply wipe ourselves out. Either way, we're a safer faction for them than we are now.

narf poit chez BOOM December 8th, 2004 09:54 AM

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Just to make it clear who I'm responding too:
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Timstone said:
Hahaha... great answers Narf!
This is one of the reasons I really love this forum. he people are inteligent, tolerant and very funny. They always make me smile on a bad day (especially Raging Deadstar, but that's another story).
I really appreciate your answers.

As for worshipping the emperor concerns. I don't know if you should give one person absolute power. I could be good, it could be bad.

But back to the aliens.
Maybe they have already visited this planet and feld it in terror. We poison ourselfs and our planet and we play very bad music on the radio. ALso most of the programs on the tube aren't worthwhile. Nah, they're long gone... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Bad.

As for aliens, if you havn't watched Men In Black, go watch it at the next available opportunity. But not MIB 2, which suffered from the problem of many sequals. It had some good points, but not enough. Just a let-down.

There are scenes in MIB that make it a classic...

Kamog December 9th, 2004 01:15 AM

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Yeah, I agree MIB was a lot better than MIB II. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

Starhawk December 9th, 2004 01:50 AM

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Timstone said:

Religion is not always the believe in a higher power, it can also be a strong believe in a certain way of live (Hindoeism), confidence in a leader of a country (Thailand) or an absolute dedication to the realisation of something (the progress of technology). Core of this is my definition of religion. I define religion as a very strong believe in something, for examples see the text above.

As stated already that's Ideology not religion you described
BTW Hindos (sp?) Do beleive in various Gods/Godesses and monor deitys so I don't know how you brought them into the [not believing in divinity] Category http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Too many kill in the name of some god or deity. The only way to eradicate acts like this is to banish all the beliefs. Unfortunately that isn't an option. So maybe it's possible to do as the Roman did; absorp all religions and adpat them slightly to accomodate everyone. Then the only problem you have is tolerance or extremism (depending how you want to translate it). So then you must find a way to let those "people" change their mind.

People also kill far more often in the name of:
Money
Land
Ideology (independent of religion)
Nationalism
Raw Materials
Gold
Political SNAFU
Revenge
removing a political enemy
Buisness
Spite
Desperation
Women
Men
Animals (not falling into the Category of women and men lol)
Conquest
"Self Defense" (most empires claimed self defense)
Security
Fear
Mistrust
Theft
Cars
Drugs
Toys (yeah I actually heard of a six year old who killed a girl over the fact that she broke his toy)
Fun

So you want to remove every single thing on that list before you blame religion for most of the "problems" of the world's disunity?

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At risk of sounding offensive to you, "in my opinion", faith is something that a person needs to think that they have a purpose in life/are superior to those without faith, including other types of lifeforms. In other words, "faith" is burying your head in the sand "in my opinion" (see how offensive that sounds lol).

It's funny how you keep saying "no offense" while at the same time practically calling me a fool and a yuppie for beleiving in God now isn't it?

And as far as me saying "morals are better when you have faith" that shouldn't make you sound as if I'm claiming superiority as my morals may or may not be the same I simply meant for me Faith makes my morals stronger.

But many people also constantly argue about what is "moral" so that's a very difficult thing to say who is "better" or not anyway :p


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Oh, and a bit late, but countries like China do have a religion. They officially have no religion, but every Chinese has it's own gods (depending on where they live in China). And don't forget the religion that glorify the head of the state.

They don't glorify the head of state as a god and as such it's not a religion, it is more an ideological indoctrination.

I assume you meant Chinese provinces? and weren't referring to the people as "it". While technically true "China" has no religion as in the PRC (People's Republic) because they have Banned all religions "officially" and will punish those they find following a religion (thus the underground churches and temples) so religious belief there is dangerous in the extreme and most don't worship openly.

A friend of mine (granted he could be a bit pushy with his religious beliefs sometimes) once asked a Chinese woman how she felt about her country banning religion to which she replied (oddly enough).
"Oh you can beleive in God, just don't tell anyone."

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will have to respectfully disagree with entire thesis. I will also avoid opening a can of worms just before I go to bed and not post the rest of what I was going to.

LOL I'm honestly suprised by that Fyron considering I pretty much conceded a point to you guys http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
If you'd like me to define that better I guess I could say it like this

The "Inquisitions" and "Witch Hunters" had a lot of faith in God yet what they did was constantly immoral and wrong (Same goes for an assload of Catholic priests these days).

Now as far as the second part goes, as I said I knew a guy that would give you the shirt off his back (literally) yet he did not beleive in God and generally believed only in himself, yet he rarely even cussed lol never drinked (not saying drinking is immoral by that I mean he never got drunk off his ***) and that's something I can't say I never did hehe, never hurt anyone unless they tried to hurt him first and was generally a great person to know.
Thus he was moral without being Godly.


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Everyone:
Please don't use the word "offensive" or "be offended" by anything that is said in this intersting thread. The name of this thread is crystalclear and you can expect to find alternate believs in this thread. So don't enter this discussion if you are easily offended by other beliefs.

I agree with this entirely if all your going to do is get hostile and scream "you offended me" don't read any further and you'll stop being offended http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
I "personally" only felt a little insulted by some of the comments made earlier but that's only because the guy saying it was practically calling me an idiot because of my beleifs while I havn't said anything offensive against people who do not believe in God, Heck i even said I was very good friends with a "neo-pagan" (though I honestly don't know what that means as she mainly sounds ignostic to me)and a girl I'd LOVE to date is a buddist http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

NOW on to the Aliens I agree with the folks that say the aliens probobly wouldn't want us humans to go throwing ourselves out into space because of how aggressive we can be when we feel threatened, and some countries on this world (thinking of a few places in the mideas take a guess which ones lol) getting out into space and onto other worlds is a SCARY prospect.

Fyron December 9th, 2004 02:37 AM

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As stated already that's Ideology not religion you described

Actually no, it is religion. Go look it up in a dictionary. The word encompasses for more than the worship of gods...

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They don't glorify the head of state as a god and as such it's not a religion, it is more an ideological indoctrination.

And just what is the vast majority of organized religion, hmm?

Note that a large number of religions have no "gods" to speak of.

Sivran December 9th, 2004 02:40 AM

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I would like to clarify, that in the face of apparent atheism-bashing and glorification of religion on the part of Starhawk I was simply trying to provide examples in which religion was the primary or sole cause of violence. I was in no way defending atheism nor was I trying to say that atheists don't commit violence.


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Aliens haven't visited because our stargate is buried and it takes too long to get here by ship! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Starhawk December 9th, 2004 03:23 AM

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Not glorification, defense, Religion does cause a lot of crap but it's not the "main provider" of crap in the world so to speak http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

You can't blame "religion" or "atheism" for violence in my opinion you can only blame people.

[Edit] Oh and big deal the dictionary defines Fart as letting wind fly lose from the anus, but IT'S NOT WIND IT'S GAS!.(you'd be suprised the strange stuff I looked up in the dictionary when I was 10 :p)

Anyway my point is the dictionary does describes things on a broad basis and does indeed include as part of religion as "anything you follow with zeal" yet 90% of people I talk to (not all christians as I have said many times) say that it's generally only something that beleives in a god or some form of creator.


Anyway you guys let's stop the fussin and the fuedin and agree that we all have our own seperate opinions and that that's okay (best southern accent) and get back to discussin them little green men. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

narf poit chez BOOM December 9th, 2004 04:04 AM

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GREY! I tell you, they are GREY! AND ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHERWISE SHALL BE LOBOTOMIZED!

Timstone December 9th, 2004 04:50 AM

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*agrees with Narf and Starhawk*

I volunteer to preform the lobotomies. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

Fyron December 9th, 2004 04:56 AM

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Not glorification, defense, Religion does cause a lot of crap but it's not the "main provider" of crap in the world so to speak http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

You are reading what you want to read... Noone said that religion was the "main provider of all crap in the world," just that it is often a major player, which it is. Generally, it is more from intolerance fostered by some religions putting themselves up as the only true religion, with all others being wrong, than the religion itself preaching death and destruction... At least, in the modern post-WWII world...

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[Edit] Oh and big deal the dictionary defines Fart as letting wind fly lose from the anus, but IT'S NOT WIND IT'S GAS!.(you'd be suprised the strange stuff I looked up in the dictionary when I was 10 :p)

Actually, it is wind... Few words have one single meaning to them...

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Anyway my point is the dictionary does describes things on a broad basis and does indeed include as part of religion as "anything you follow with zeal" yet 90% of people I talk to (not all christians as I have said many times) say that it's generally only something that beleives in a god or some form of creator.

That is a huge logical fallacy. Just because a lot of people think something does not make it true. In this case, it is absoultely, 100% wrong. No gods or creators of any sort are required to classify a belief system as a religion. Spiritualistic belief systems that do not have any gods, but instead have guiding animal spirits, or ancestor spirits, or other such spirits, are most certainly religions. Belief systems that solely revere and worship nature, not in the form of a god, but just nature itself, are most certainly religions. Belief systems that have no divine, but instead view that we are all part of the universe experiencing itself in different ways, are religions. Belief systems that focus solely on achieving personal spiritual enlightment as a means to leave behind the perpetual cycle of reincarnation and enter a "heaven," and have no "divine" to speak of, are religions. The list goes on. God worship is just one tiny fraction of the spectrum of systems that are qualified as religions...

narf poit chez BOOM December 9th, 2004 05:20 AM

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Bad Fyron! Lobotomy for you! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Fyron December 9th, 2004 05:26 AM

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The aliens are red anyways, duh.

http://shipyards.spaceempires.net/Zh...e_Portrait.png

Timstone December 9th, 2004 05:29 AM

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Hahaha... LOL!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

narf poit chez BOOM December 9th, 2004 05:29 AM

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LOBOTOMIZE FYRON!

Forward, my Mouse-Bots!

Timstone December 9th, 2004 05:35 AM

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Mousebots?! What about me?!

Fyron December 9th, 2004 05:38 AM

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/me impales and gores Narf with his horns and tusks, then eats him with his sharp teeth and gaping jaw.

narf poit chez BOOM December 9th, 2004 05:40 AM

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/me rips out of Fyron's stomach in an aliens-esque scene. "LOBOTOMIZE FYRON" was, of course, code for LOBOTOMIZE TIMSTONE.

Timstone December 9th, 2004 05:40 AM

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Oh my goodness, they killed Narf1 The bastards!

Fyron December 9th, 2004 05:44 AM

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Quote:

narf poit chez BOOM said:
/me rips out of Fyron's stomach in an aliens-esque scene. "LOBOTOMIZE FYRON" was, of course, code for LOBOTOMIZE TIMSTONE.

So says the bloody bits and pieces that constitute the mauled Narf...

Timstone December 9th, 2004 05:50 AM

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Damn, Narf! Why would you want to kill me?! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/Injured.gif
Don't kill me, I'm indispensable... I hope.

narf poit chez BOOM December 9th, 2004 05:56 AM

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I dunno. You said "What about me?!" so I thought you felt left out.

Anyway, their standard mad scientist robots, which means that their invulnerable to everything except ripping out the exposed wires.

Tired...ZZZZZZZZZ

Timstone December 9th, 2004 06:13 AM

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Sleepy, sleepy Narf. Till next time! Sweet dreams!

narf poit chez BOOM December 9th, 2004 06:20 AM

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Not yet. I've got some things to do.

Although I havn't started doing them yet...

Timstone December 9th, 2004 06:31 AM

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Oh, and you're tired already?
Then a bucket of coffee is the answer.

narf poit chez BOOM December 9th, 2004 06:32 AM

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It's 1:30 in the morning here.

And coffee? Yuck. Smells like sewer water.

Timstone December 9th, 2004 06:38 AM

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1:30 in the moring! Damn, and you're still up?! Why mouse? What needs to be finished?

Starhawk December 9th, 2004 12:51 PM

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Quote:

narf poit chez BOOM said:
It's 1:30 in the morning here.

And coffee? Yuck. Smells like sewer water.

LOL Doesn't just smell like sewer water, tastes like it too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Now we all know that the aliens are greyish blue unless you talk the the Raelians (cuckoo cuckoo) in which case the aliens are called Elohim (he turned the singular Hebrew word meaning "God on High" into a plural describing an entire race, odd eh?)and they conveniently look just like us humans so that Rael himself can claim that those same aliens who got Mary preggers got his mama preggers....LOL AHAHAHAHA anyway I'm sorry it's just HAHAHAHAHA a greasy looking bald guy is our next jesus LOL


Anyway though, the aliens are not all gray http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif(some say the've seen blues and reds that look just like the grey cept the blue's have fins on their heasd) So are we looking at different alien races? OR one species with multiple skin colors much like us Hummies?


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