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I have to say that the series is getting better. I really enjoy the music they are using. Its from Tribes. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Powerful and fitting.

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I think the idea with the president was to show how stupid our elected officials can be, with the best of intentions, during times of crisis.

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ACK!! I hadn't seen the series yet and was going to start when Space Channel starts it this saturday. Now I've gone and read some spoilers...

You guys should put up a warning sign or something http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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You will still enjoy it. It has a lot of potential, even with the irky refereance to Peanut butter and baked beans.

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2 days, and I finally get to see this series! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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Is the series still continuing? I don't have TV, but I noticed that the local video rental store has the DVD, so I'm thinking of renting and watching it one of these days.

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1. Boomer is definitively a Cylon - Dr. Baltar tested her positive in his "Cylon Detector" but didn´t said anything to her or anyone - but looks like she is a "dormant" cylon - a Cylon that think that itself is human...

2. The other Boomer (the one that is with Helo and knows that she is a cylon) starts to really love Helo and (without telling him anything) betrays her "Cylon friends" to save him... so Cylons can feel emotions and can betray their origins to help humans (maybe this would explain the Baltar - Number Six relationship)...

3. There are some hints in the show that the Cylon models are based in real human beings... so we can eventually see a real Boomer show up in the show some day (older than the cylon model obviously)... BTW: looks like the Number Six has based in the wife of Colonel Tigh (she shows up in the show, and while older, she have an striking resemblance with Numer Six... enough resemblance to attract Dr. Baltar and make his Number Six jealous...)

I´m waiting to watch the 10th episode of the series... while i found the series good so far i want to see more ship fights and battles, since i think they are the best part of the series...

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The differance is, the one on DVD is the old 70's series, the one we are talking about is the new Sci-Fi channel one. Believe me when I tell you they are completely differant beasts. It would be like comparing a Cat to a Tiger.

Both had good points, the original had the better sets, and actors. The new one has the better visual effects. Both seem to have ok stories, although I liked the original series stories better than the new series. However the new series place far more emphesis on the actual holocaust wrought by the Cylons. I did like the original series cylons better than the new ones, but the new ones are a logical upgrade. I do not like the human cylons yet, but they are kinda growing on me.

For the record, I believe they are all cylons. I believe that Starbuck is actually Colonel Ties daughter. I like how they solved the water and fuel issues. I dislike how they have lost 20 + vipers and still seem to have plently left.

I like how they play up the dark side of what has happened, but it angers me greatly that they use things like "Peanut Butter, baked beens, and other "Real World" things that we have now in our day to day RL lives. This is just a product of a low budge. Instead of calling peanut butter "peanut butter" they could call it Baryon Paste. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

The human cylons are clones, or other, that have been given conciousness, but not a soul. If they can develop human feelings and not just mimic them, then perhaps one day they can become human. And by becoming human, reproduce like humans. After all, we are machines, organic machines. I find it odd that a cylon would believe in God, so that is obviously a major story line. The fact that they have repeatedly stated that what is happening has happened before and will happen again is kind of interesting. I like where the stories are going, and hope that they do not run out of steam or money before they get to the climax of the series.

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Thanks. Appreciate the spoiler warning. I was only half serious though. I should have known better treading into waters better left alone.

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There be sharks in them there waters!

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I caught portions of the opening movie or whatever it was, and wasn't too keen on it. The ship sequences were interesting, but lots of the sets looked like they were put together in some guy's garage and the dialogue/acting was pretty poor or at least aimed at a fairly young demographic. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

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Garage sets is a good way to describe them. Read a few of my Posts about the cheapness of the series. But honestly, the visual effects are quite nice and it doesn't take you long to see that "that" is where there money is going.

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Hi. Well I'm joining the thread late, but here's my two cents. I don't agree with you.

I'm glad there's no plasma guns or phasers. Why would futuristic societies necessarily forget everything about projectile weapons? Would you want banana weapons with no sight or weapons that are completely unergonomical but "look" cool?

What's wrong with an actor smoking a cigarette? Is humanity supposed to be so much better in the future that they give up vices? However self-satisfying that is to think of, good sci-fi writers know that "humans are made of the same stuff, and will keep being made of the same stuff for a long time."

Having replicators, transporters, futuristic ways of going to the toilet etc., doesn't necessarily add to SoD.

Brian

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Hello,

You make an interesting point, however, BSG is not taking place in our future, that is our society is not what BSG is based upon. Therefore the events, and props, used in BSG should not be the same as they are now. By now, I mean NOW, today, real life. If they are going to smoke a cigarette, then great, but why does it have to be called a cigarette, and look just like the ones that are smoked now?

I too like the fact that they are not using "beam" weapons, replicators, or other technology that makes it easy to explain away who they get things.

They did a good job with a few of the episodes explaining how they got water, and fuel.

Why does a lighter have to be called a lighter in BSG? Because the people who are watching the show are not all that smart. The Sci-Fi channels track record with smart shows is not all that good. They tend to cancel them after a few years. So the dumber the show is, that is to say, the easier it is for dumb people to watch, the longer it Lasts.

I do like this new BSG, I do not like the lack of imagination when it comes to using real world items though. Come on, they come from a differant planet and they still call peanut butter "Peanut butter." The only way this can be explained away is if they did indeedcame from Earth and colonized those colonies in our future. In that sence, then yes, cigerettes are cigerettes, and peanut butter is peanut butter.

Lets watch and see what happens.

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I agree with some of what you're saying, AT, but the problem is carrying stuff for long periods of time in a series. It also has to be accessible to new viewers.

For instance, if they called lighters "flargles" or something strange, it distracts from the story. It is kind of like SG1 stumbling onto a planet where they can always speak to someone. It saves us hours of Daniel Jackson looking off into space and identifying the exact Mayan subculture which derives the word for moon.

If I'm reading a novel or something, I expect consistency in a world and its language(s). If I'm watching TV, I assume they'll take shortcuts, just to keep from doing hours of exposition over the course of a season. Look at it as the Universal Translator changing their "peanut butter" from their source of protein-packed underground legumes which taste good when smeared across leavened yeast products and crushed fruit preserves.

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I've enjoyed parts of the story so far in BSG, back to topic, I guess. I watched the miniseries for the first time earlier this week. I then watched the two-part opener Last night. I enjoyed "33" quite a bit. There was good character exposition, especially with the civilian carrier at the end. The fact that events carry over, and retaining Helo on Caprica (with a second Boomer) may mean that networks are willing to continue to try large story arcs. And that means we have to watch every week.

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Remember, Sci-Fi and the UK Networks only agreed to 13-episodes. Plus the miniseries, we got 17 episodes total. SciFi channel has a nasty history of cancelling series for totally random reasons.

But it's still good to see some attempt at a stronger sci-fi series again. I was starting to fear that Enterprisidice had spread worse than the plague.

The reason why they use real world items is the same reason why Kirk in 1967 had a common suitcase in one episode or why Galactica 1980 was created and why UPN made so many bad sci-fi/horror series...

Cost.

It's not making the show accessable or dumbing it down. It's Cost. The original BSG had episode costs between 1 and 2 million per episode. Plus a history of expensive lawsuits with George Lucas. Most networks won't even consider touching such a series without an assurance to reduce cost.

That's what "Water" was about. Water set the tone that the series is gonna be mainly a bottle series with a handful of scenes on earth-like planets. Bottle shows are cheaper, less expensive than on-location shows - one of the key factors in driving up the original series costs.

A more current example is Enteprise's first season where episode costs briefly spiked up as high as 4.5 million each. It's the main reason why the network is hesistant to pick it up. Another is Farscape which reached 2-3 million per episode - but after so many seasons, the audience stopped growing for an unknown reason.

ALL HAIL THE ALMIGHTY GREENBACK!

Anyways

I also like the Helo arc which I hope will be something they run for a long time. I'm also looking forward to seeing Kobol's Last Gleaming Laster this season and how that effects thier quest for earth.

It has potential.

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Thanks, that was good info. It all boils down to cost in the end. To bad they cannot get someone like Bill Gates to invest in their shows. A cool half a billion would go a long way toward fixing the $$ issues.

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Let us hope the NEW BSG Lasts for more then 13 episodes because if it does then it will likely pick up budgeting like Andromeda did, every year Andromeda's budget went up a little bit until where finally they now have enough money to stop using stock footage in every single episode.

BSG is actually a very good very "real" show and I hope they stick to their guns like UPN did when it came to Enterprise because BSG will definately be a unique and good series for modern TV which is mainly now just a bunch of reality bull hock.

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I watched the series opener Last night, and I must say I like it. Especially the part with the "Olympic Carrier" civilian ship. Most shows don't include a moral dilemma the way they did....and that's only the first episode! It seems to me like it's a logical continuation of the first, and if the powers that be cancel it after only 13 episodes, I'm gonna find 'em and break some heads!