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Double_Deuce July 24th, 2005 09:49 AM

Re: SPMBT User Campaign - Silver Lions!
 
I'll be posting it for download soon BUT if you would like it sooner, just send me an email with the address to send it too.

The_Warrior July 24th, 2005 06:31 PM

Re: SPMBT User Campaign - Silver Lions!
 
Will do and thanks.

Double_Deuce July 31st, 2005 01:41 AM

Re: SPMBT User Campaign - Silver Lions!
 
SILVER LIONS!

US vs WARSAW PACT

May/June 1985
Game Version: WinSPMBT 1.0
Format: Fixed Core Campaign
Turns: 15 - 25
Player: United States Army
Command Size: Company
Length: 11 Scenario's (maximum)

World War III has finally erupted between NATO and the Warsaw Pact.

You are the commander of of the US Army's D Company, 2nd Battalion (Silver Lions), 68th Armor Regiment, 8th Infantry Division. Your unit has already been assembled and await your orders.

Once the fighting starts, you will have no choice about what reinforcements or repair priority you get. All efforts will be made by the Silver Lion Battalion Commander to provide you and your men with the additional assets necessary to accomplish your mission. Be advised though, that as the war progresses you may be placed into difficult situations and will have to carry on the fight with whatever forces you have on hand.

Available for Download from the WFHQ/SZO File Archives.

It has also been posted to the Games Depot of Wargamer BUT is pending approval (its quite large at 1.5MB zipped).

WBWilder August 4th, 2005 02:24 AM

Re: SPMBT User Campaign - Silver Lions!
 
It has been approved and is there for downloading.

WB

Double_Deuce August 4th, 2005 11:07 AM

Re: SPMBT User Campaign - Silver Lions!
 
Thanks WB.

I'll have another ready to upload hopefully soon. Its being playtested right now.

DRG August 7th, 2005 03:15 PM

Re: SPMBT User Campaign - Silver Lions!
 
Quote:

Double_Deuce said:
ISSUES!

There are 2 known problems with the campaign. They do not cause problems with gameplay but they are there.
<SNIP>[list][*]D-65 is the Company Executive Officer's Tank. It should be a standard M60A3 but with a blade attached. Since there was not one in the current OOB I replaced it with a CEV (identical in about everyway except for the main gun). I then edited the data to replace the gun with the standard 105mm M68 found on the other M60's. The graphic will show the CEV BUT the unit itself is acurate in all other ways. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

DD.......is there some reason why the "M60 Mine Plough" (unit 197 ) wasn't usable in this case?? It uses the same 105mm M68 80 gun as the other M60A3's

Don

Double_Deuce August 7th, 2005 04:12 PM

Re: SPMBT User Campaign - Silver Lions!
 
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DRG said:
DD.......is there some reason why the "M60 Mine Plough" (unit 197 ) wasn't usable in this case?? It uses the same 105mm M68 80 gun as the other M60A3's

I don't rememeber why. I started this in SPMBT (DOS) and not sure that unit was there. the M1 w/plow was but not an M60. For some reason I modified a M728 CEV. Probably was in too big of a hurry to look for a proper unit. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

MacGalin August 9th, 2005 04:39 AM

T-10Ms??? (in silver lions)
 
I'm currently playing Silver Lions, and it seems that primary MBT for '85 is... T-10M! I've encountered them in two missions.

I havent't finished the campaign yet, but it's hind of strange to see tanks that should be in museums, lading attacks on NATO lines... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif Only modern tank i've seen so far was Czech T-72. (I'm not counting some T-62s in one of the missions)

So i have to ask - are these T-10s placed for purpose, or is it just a bug? I'm using standart russian oob, no modifications.

Double_Deuce August 9th, 2005 09:58 AM

Re: T-10Ms??? (in silver lions)
 
Quote:

MacGalin said:
I havent't finished the campaign yet, but it's hind of strange to see tanks that should be in museums, lading attacks on NATO lines... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif Only modern tank i've seen so far was Czech T-72. (I'm not counting some T-62s in one of the missions)

So i have to ask - are these T-10s placed for purpose, or is it just a bug? I'm using standart russian oob, no modifications.

No bug. As part of our training we practiced scenarios involving all types of equipment. While rare, there was a small possibility we could have faced these if the war dragged on and attrition began to set in. My main reason though for adding them into the campaign was just to add variety.

Also, since we were still equipped with M60's at that time (actualy were until after June 1987) it would be hardly fair for the player to have to face hoards of T80's and T72's. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

Double_Deuce August 9th, 2005 11:09 AM

Re: SPMBT User Campaign - Silver Lions!
 
Quote:

DRG said:
DD.......is there some reason why the "M60 Mine Plough" (unit 197 ) wasn't usable in this case?? It uses the same 105mm M68 80 gun as the other M60A3's

Now I remember why (was doing some revisions). The M60 Mine Plough is not available after Dec 1984 and the campaign takes place May 1985. Using the Editor I have corrected this and it is now an M60 Mine Plough. In reality though the Company XO's vehicle had a Dozer Blade and not a Plough.

MacGalin August 9th, 2005 11:12 AM

Re: T-10Ms??? (in silver lions)
 
Quote:

No bug. As part of our training we practiced scenarios involving all types of equipment. While rare, there was a small possibility we could have faced these if the war dragged on and attrition began to set in. My main reason though for adding them into the campaign was just to add variety.

Also, since we were still equipped with M60's at that time (actualy were until after June 1987) it would be hardly fair for the player to have to face hoards of T80's and T72's.



Ahh. I see. Well, that makes sense, althrough i disagree with your opinion that that replacing T-10 with T-64s / T-80s / T-72s would be unfair. Sure, they are better armored & armed, but M-60TTS have thermal sights, wich, (at least in game) gives them great advantage over any russian tank. And their 105 mm guns and FCS works good enough against any opponent of the era http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif. [Of course if you got the mortars to smoke the area]

[ Besides, battles should never be fair. In real life, if a battle is fair, it usually means that commander of one of the sides failed to do his job properly http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif. ]

IMO, in campaign, russians should be starting with top-of-the line equipment, and older tanks should appera in later battles, as B & C category units are brought to battlefield.

Anyway, good work, man. I really enjoy playing that campaign. [Althrough it is a bit too easy for me. I've hoped tht russians will put a better fight http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif. ]

Double_Deuce August 9th, 2005 11:28 AM

Re: T-10Ms??? (in silver lions)
 
Quote:

MacGalin said:
IMO, in campaign, russians should be starting with top-of-the line equipment, and older tanks should appera in later battles, as B & C category units are brought to battlefield.

I was taking into account that 3/8 Cav and 2nd ACR would have decimated the lead WP units in the intial days of the war with little left by the time they got to 8th ID. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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MacGalin said:Anyway, good work, man. I really enjoy playing that campaign. [Althrough it is a bit too easy for me. I've hoped tht russians will put a better fight http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif. ]

I've gotten several comments from players who said it was pretty easy BUT I've gotten a few emails from those who can't get past the 2nd Scenario. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

What I would like to do once I get more familar with the Enhanced CD Editor Tools is do a LARGE Silver Lion Campaign. I will also need to learn more about Campaign design such as determining adequate but challenging build and support points settings. I am finding its alot more than just stringing together individual scenarios and calling it a campaign. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

Shadowcougar August 9th, 2005 01:58 PM

Re: T-10Ms??? (in silver lions)
 
DD,

I am also working on a 1988 campaign and a large and its going to be tough. I have the first map done and am placing the forces now.

I hope you can help me with it. I have read the editor help and understand about 2/3rds of it.

Double_Deuce August 9th, 2005 02:19 PM

Re: T-10Ms??? (in silver lions)
 
Shadow - Do you have the CD Version with the extra Editor? I would take my time with it as far as setting waypoints for the AI forces and stuff. The mention of a Reaction "98" where defening units can be made to stay in place looks very promising.

Do you have MS Excel? Just wondering as I have recreated the Campaign Design Matix in it and it works wonders for keeping me organized when linking the scenario and setting Buold/Support points.

Shadowcougar August 9th, 2005 03:37 PM

Re: T-10Ms??? (in silver lions)
 
I don't have the CD. been out of work and can't afford it.

I have excel on both the play computer and the posting computer.

Alpha August 12th, 2005 05:16 PM

Re: T-10Ms??? (in silver lions)
 
well how about a camp from russian side?

Double_Deuce August 13th, 2005 12:39 PM

Re: T-10Ms??? (in silver lions)
 
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Alpha said:
well how about a camp from russian side?

I have thought about it BUT no time right now. I would like to do something fomr a Warsaw Pact BMP Company Commander's view. Nt really a Soviet unit but one of the WP Satellites (most likely Poland, East Germany or Hungary).

Alpha August 14th, 2005 02:32 PM

Re: T-10Ms??? (in silver lions)
 
or even better help me with my bundeswehr camp ( see my post ) *gg*

Alpha August 15th, 2005 05:05 PM

Re: T-10Ms??? (in silver lions)
 
begin play your camp, speznaz assaulted 2 of my m113 and destroyed them....seems more caution is needed here LOL

DD i have a question: is it correct that those BMD with 76mm gun kill my M60s with frontal shots ??? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif

Alpha August 25th, 2005 03:47 PM

Re: T-10Ms??? (in silver lions)
 
i think the camp is too easy btw.

Double_Deuce August 25th, 2005 04:04 PM

Re: T-10Ms??? (in silver lions)
 
Quote:

Alpha said:
i think the camp is too easy btw.

Even with the BMD's killing M60's with frontal shots and spetznatz taking out your M113's! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

I do agree though that an experienced or skilled player should be able to progress through to the end of the Campaign without being relieved of command.

Alpha August 25th, 2005 04:21 PM

Re: T-10Ms??? (in silver lions)
 
hi,

i took another route in the scen with the russian paras and bmd´s and used the german scouts sneaking around. also with the 2 mortars always surpressing the enemy then it was a much better fight for me, i don´t lose a single tank then *g*

while i think it is okay, not every camp must be a hard nut to crack like most WBW ones, or the stalingrad camp for SPWAW.. hehe these are hell mostly...

Double_Deuce August 25th, 2005 04:49 PM

Re: T-10Ms??? (in silver lions)
 
Well I did leave out the multitude of mines usualy found in WB's scenario's. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

Skotty702 August 30th, 2005 01:00 PM

Completed Silver Lion a few days ago.
 
Finished with a marginal victory total. Lost one M60 to
the only T-72 encountered cuz I forgot to back up/pop smoke
at the end of the turn. Doh.

Getting the dug in troops to stay in their positions would have made it much more challenging for sure. My overwatch
platoon of M60's did most of the killing of grunts reacting
to the banzai charges into the open.

Thanks for the work you put into this camp.

Cheers
Scott


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