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can you push out the mod for these troops and the artifacts so I can practice with it?

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I'd like to play as Machaka, please.

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Question: most games with human only pretenders define "human" as anything with a path cost of 10. For purposes of this game does the Great Warlok count as a "human"?

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In case that no water nations are wanted i take Caelum since only Caelum + Mictlan are left and i played Mictlan too often in the past and am bored by the MM with them.

I just wanted to test if hoarding is possible with these settings with Ryleh. My first hoarding attempt with CB 5 has failed miserably btw as YC can tell http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

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He has pretty much the regular human stats and he is mortal so I would vote that the Great Warlock is ok. Additionally, Ulm's Master Alchemist and the Pythium Divine Emperor are also fine.

I have a question tho: Is the C'tis Serpent Lord or Mict Smoking Mirror acceptable? They have human stats but apparently can shapechange if wounded?

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that depends - would you consider the ***** queen human?

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Hmm.... Its a really close call but I suppose I wouldnt. Plus it wouldnt be fair to force all the other nations to pick strictly human pretenders and then let Man/Ctis/Mict pick pretenders that were tougher. Ok, so lets say no to all the almost-human shapechanger types.

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Smoking Mirror definately wouldn't be "human" - 20 point paths, and I guess I'd agree that the shapechangers should be out. Abysia and Jotunheim, well, I think we all know what pretender they'll take http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif but they are human, at least for that race. Hmm. I don't much like the point cost for those two though - should be at least 10 or 20 points higher, imo (Elder Skratti : 42 HPs, immune to cold, a magic path for 45 points, Abysia's Great Warlock 23 HPs, immune to fire, radiates heat, 2 starting magic paths, 2 dominion, 35 points).

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man, everyone in abysia radiates heat. It would be death to not at least be immune.

anyway, yeah, dragons have human forms too, and they sure as heck aint human.

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the skratti shouldn't be allowed. he's not human...
probably true for the warlock as well, though he doesn't really bother me, except for his starting dominin

humans are human. path cost 10, starting dominion 1, hps in the lower 20's max...

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Not quite, unless you're saying that Pythium's Divine Emperor isn't human - starting dominion 3. 10 point paths should be the main determining factor, although the shapeshifters might be eliminated, and possibly the skratti simply because his point cost is screwed (plus, unlike Abysia, Jotuns can take the Rime Mariner for cold immunity).

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Yeah I vote against the Skratti as well. For the same reason as the shapechangers, really. While the case could be made that the Skratti is just another citizen of the jotunhiem empire its still not fair to the other nations playing since they are restricted to only humans. If you are desperate for cold resistance there is always the Rime Mariner.

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ah that's right. shoot. ok keep the warlock. just dump the skratti, because he's just so good as an SC

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But the carrion dragon, he's human. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Double post.

But hey - seems we have enough players, maybe we can get this puppy kick started Sunday or Monday? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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Oh - how do you specify which Twin Spear is given? I keep getting the blood/astral one every time doing my tests.

And btw Ironhawk - great idea making it a couple of near-useless commanders - sounds like they'll be good for, mmm, Fever Fetish bait at most http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif where two scouts would be too awesome for nations that don't have regular / cheap scouts.

Another awesome deviant game plan - thanks Ironhawk, this and CoW have both caught the imagination for very different reasons. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

(Not the main reason for that, but "All Wyrms All the Time" in the one is kinda neat, and all human pretenders is also a nice change of pace.)

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Can you put the link to mods in the first post to practice a bit?

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im still sulking about my oracle :C

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Oh... hmm you know I hadnt run into that problem yet. I've been assigning artifacts by name but clearly that wont work for the Twin Spear since the name is exactly the same. I suppose I will have to do it by item number? How do you get the item number? Ctrl-I on the info screen?
I'd planned on just using scouts but then the cursed artifact problem cropped up and it made a lot of sense to make some nuetral-effect units. What I really hope is to see someone try and make something out of these units. Like an early-game prophet or something hahahaha!!

Yeah I'm really excited about this one too. I think it should make for a really interesting game!

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Unfortunately my efforts to assign the death based Twin Spear have failed. I just posted in the modding forums for help but given my experience I think the problem may be unsolvable. We should start thinking about what item to replace that spear with... I'm certainly open to suggestions on this one!

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I dont want to put them in the first post since they wont be completed till the Twin Spear issue is resolved. Until then, you can use the map and modfile I've attached in this post to practice with. Unzip the .map file to your maps folder and the .dm file to your mods folder. Make sure to then enable the mod and use that mapfile when you start your test game

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didnt work for me when i tried to load the map :C

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It worked fine for me. Do you have the Shahrivar .tga? If you haven't already downloaded Shahrivar, it won't work.

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thats probly it, thanks

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I've suggested a Wraith Crown to Ironhawk, for the following reasons:

Like the Twin Spear, it gives a bit of undead in a battle, and with Ermor starting with the Body Ethereal spell, the etherealness isn't that big a deal, especially with human pretenders / no dead themes. Also, nice and thematic for Ermor. Posting it here also to see if anyone has objections. (Second choice : ring of sorcery. Third : Soulstone of the Wolves http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif )

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Oh - may I suggest changing the starting provinces in the .map file before the game? That way, no one knows where the other nations are, since only the host needs the modified map file.

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twin spear of death is the good one (cause it doesn't horror mark you)

the real advantage of twin spears is that they are a long weapon with an interesting effect - but also they give luck.

Would be a difficult thing to replace

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I got my pretender worked out.

heck yeah

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I wonder how's it possible that Caelum wasn't claimed yet?
I therefore claim Caelum.

The rules specify a human pretender and non pop killing dom. themes. Are there additional rules?

Where can I d/l the artifact mod?
When should pretender be ready?

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If we decide to go without water nations, Boron has a previous claim.

Not at this time http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

On page 5 of this thread - one of Ironhawk's posts.
Undetermined, but soon.

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I thought about it yesterday and discussed a bit with Ironhawk. I think it is best if i take Caelum and we just start the game.
Being the only underwater nation would be unfair, playing with 2 water nations would rise the annoying question about the map since there are so few good maps that are fair for 2 water nations, the world map, faerun and orania are the only ones that come to my mind, but they are all too huge.

So if nobody disagrees i just take caelum and lets start the game asap http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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orania is doable if victory is no more than 50% max, though 40% would be much better. Or a crowded shahrivar game would work nicely

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Oh, I've missed Boron's claim.

Have a nice game guys!

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i still need to make a pretender... (i never thought i could miss a fountain so much)

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<whining> It's gonna take 2 hours to download that map. </whining>

I have something useful to say, too: Make sure you have "CB 5.1" if you plan on forging the Winged Boots with Air mages.

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After my 2 hours downloading it said an error had occured....... then halfway through it the next time the net went down

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Ok, Caine, you've got the Wraith Crown as a replacement for the Twin Spear

In other news: the mods for this game are now available for download in the first post...

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It's the map we are going to use, guys http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Everyone needs to download it so that they have the .tga file.
The .map file that everyone currently has is only the version released for testing. Starting locations for all nations were just some random provs I clicked on with the mouse. I am sending the .map away now to a third party (who isnt playing in this game) who will randomize all the start locations. That way no one will have any advanced knowledge.

Everyone begin preparing your pretenders now. Lets try and shoot for a Monday or Tuesday start for this game! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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my pretender is definately ready

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lucky you....

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poor shovah, needs his drinking fountain, relies on bless strategies to win games

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you can try for a mini-bless strat using the archmage...

busy week coming up - suggest boxing day for official start

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Not 10 point cost, I raised it arbitrarily to 100, just to clarify this sort of situation. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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sorry? what do you mean? ie. that was as clear as mud ;P

I certainly consider the archmage to be a legitimate choice for those who want him.

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I tested it a bit and I can say the map is worth the download... very pretty. However, there are some "jumping provinces" errors:
16 and 9
16 and 29
31 and 9
...

nevermind, there are these little roads connecting... I think it's a feature. Watch out for that if you begin in the lower SE corner...

Anyway, I've had surprising times against the AI: it sent their artifact ward to go destroy my armies with banefires and this horrible horror-mark/send lesser horror combo. I had a big group of Nifel giants smashed by some dang artifact held by one of those wardens. Fun times.

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Nm~!

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actually my strategy relies very little on the blessing. to me its more of a bonus to go along with my MAIN strategy

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Ironhawk has gracefully notified me that Mictlan is still open. I'll take Mictlan then.

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Ha!! Thats great. I never thought that the AI would pick up on the Oath Rod/Twin Spear combo for Vanhiem. Van has some pretty nice artifacts.

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yeah, it was neat that the wardens get picked up by the AI