Re: Vietnam Specific OOBs
 

Did you attached them here? Where? Your latest US oob is ok now but others (which I mentioned)?

Re: Vietnam Specific OOBs
 

I updated the original post.

Re: Vietnam Specific OOBs
 

Thank you very muchhttp://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif! Now everything is OK! All copters are shown there as they should be!

And now back to jungle:P... Charlie is waiting. And smell of napalm in the morning...

Re: Vietnam Specific OOBs
 

Great job btw. Hmm how about South Korean oob in next version?

Re: Vietnam Specific OOBs
 

The South Korean OOB is actually pretty good, not to mention the South Korean mission did not really involve any non-standard formations. I think the only thing that's really missing are the ACAV-style M113 conversions that both the Tiger and Capital Divisions both created for their vehicles. I could always update the icons though heh.

Note, the stuff forwarded to me by Laurent Touchard also had no modified SK OOB included.

Re: Vietnam Specific OOBs
 

Ok. Just thinking all allied nations (in this case SK)... How much Philippines sent troops into Vietnam? Any sense to make oob?

Re: Vietnam Specific OOBs
 

That might be something to investigate. Technically the so-called Free World Armed Forces in Vietnam included:

The United States
Australia
South Korea
The Philippines
Republic of China (Taiwan)
Thailand

I just don't have all that much information on the Philippines or the ROC contributions beyond what's in the CMH monograph: http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/books/Vietnam/allied/

Laurent Touchard's conversion had a Philippine OOB and an updated ROC one IIRC, and I might see how much I can take from there. The ROC one could easily be modified and added to the standard pack, the Philippine one would require a totally new OOB and be more suited to the planned Total Conversion, along, hopefully, with some sort of Lao OOB (again I just don't personally have the info at my disposal right now).

Re: Vietnam Specific OOBs
 

Alright, so I figured I'd mention it here too. The total conversion now has a pretty basic Philippine OOB (then again the force they sent was pretty basic), and a more or less complete Lao OOB.

Currently features in the Total Conversion (including those updated from the basic pack):

Army of the Republic of Vietnam
Australia
Cambodia
France
Laos (Royal Lao Government and Neutralists)
MACV/CIA/Etc
People's Army of Vietnam
Philippines
South Korea
Thailand
US Air Force
US Army
US Marine Corp
US Navy
Viet Cong

Re: Vietnam Specific OOBs
 

Hmm any hint when you are going to release total conversion mod?

Re: Vietnam Specific OOBs
 

When its done...unfortunately http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: Vietnam Specific OOBs
 

For those of you who are interested, I've just released an Alpha of the Total Conversion here: http://www.gamesquad.com/forums/wins...ack-alpha.html

Re: Vietnam Specific OOBs
 

I played couple of battles and I'm impressed how good you got Laurent's stuff (well at least part of it;)) to work in WinMBT too. Not any bad errors (well, I'm not checked all oob's than USMC/US Army and VC yet). Hmm was M60 Patton really used in Vietnam? Or just "here and there" (small amounts)? I remember that M48 and Bulldog were most used tanks there...

Re: Vietnam Specific OOBs
 

The tank history might have to be reworked a little. I haven't done much on it, and what I have done was more in the USMC OOB.

Note that the M60A1 was first introduced into the US Army in the early 1960s, but you are correct in that none were actually deployed to South East Asia. IIRC, they were all deployed to Europe to help counter the threat of Soviet Armor, while the armor threat in South East Asia required far less attention.

Re: Vietnam Specific OOBs
 

Just add the early M-60 variants in the same unit class as the other earlier tanks (like the M-48) and give them an X3 radio code.
That will prevent them from being all over the place when the IA buys units, but they will be available for scenario design etc.
If you have already tinkered with the unit information tags (I haven't yet), you can add a little something saying that "the M-60s were mainly deployed to CONUS and Europe due the higher Soviet armoured threat, etc., but could have been shipped to SEA at short notice to counter an unexpected NVA armored push" or whatever. Not that it makes much sense now that I write it, but hey, it gives you a reason to keep it on board.

Re: Vietnam Specific OOBs
 

I'll definitly note this issue for future releases. There are also enough MBT clones to actually create VN tank formations completely seperate.

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And how about role of M103A1 Heavy Tank (in USMC oob)? Any used in Vietnam? And which oobs/units have B-52? I didn't found any (or am I blind;))?

Re: Vietnam Specific OOBs
 

All USAF aircraft are contained in the new USAF OOB (formerly the UN OOB, #80). Use the allies tab to switch over to the UN OOB to purchase aircraft, C/SAR helos, special operations units (including Igloo White sensor drops), and Security Police.

The numbers of the other OOBs are contained in the Readme file. Only the MACV/SOG/CIA OOB has a new flag at present though (skull and bones).

Yeah, the tank stuff appears to warrant some clarification for sure. As an interesting FYI, while no M103 tanks were deployed, the USMC deployed M51 recovery vehicles to Vietnam, which were based on the M103 and designed specifically to recover that tank.

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Ok I must check UN oob bit carefully;)... And what comes to M103, was it used in Vietnam anytime? Or just that recovery vehicle?

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Any update?

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The link isn't working. Anyone have a copy?

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Fixed the link. Should be working now. The forums that I posted it on have moved twice heh.

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Alright, so as always the patch has caused an immediate setback in order to bring everything up to code. Last time I stalled on doing this for some time, and I'm not sure when my life will allow for it. The largest amount of work would likely go into trying to find files with space for the icons (though the new hovercraft icons are really cool!), but with things like the new hovercraft class I might want to look over various other issues before any future release.

Basically, there's logistical work to be done before any future release, and I'm not sure when it'll get done.

Re: Vietnam Specific OOBs
 

For those of you who are interested, I've posted a new replacement Lao OOB, with picklist, over at the GS Forum's thread linked to above. No readme is included, but this will be the new standard for the next Alpha release of the whole total conversion pack.

Feedback is always appreciated.

Re: Vietnam Specific OOBs
 

Are you going to release next Alpha this weekend/next week?

Re: Vietnam Specific OOBs
 

Not sure, but I got up the energy to do the picklist for the Lao OOB (and added some new units to make it more functional), so I saw no reason not to release that as it was basically the same.

Still not sure about picklists for the USN, USAF, and MACV/SOG OOBs either. They really don't have enough units to make that work. The Lao OOB can basically stand on its own as Red now, from 1/46 until 5/75. At some point in the future I might fix it to then become the Communist Lao OOB from 6/75 until 12/120.

Re: Vietnam Specific OOBs
 

Just a little update on my actual situation, my laptop LCD is kaput and going back to Dell today. They say It'll be back in 8 working days, but we'll see heh.

So basically, work is stalled at this point because of physical hardware issues. However, I'd say its probably safe to expect something end of July-beginning of August.

Re: Vietnam Specific OOBs
 

A new version of the Vietnam Specific OOB Pack is available here. No longer includes the USA and USMC OOBs (Now in the Total Conversion Pack only), but does include a modified S. Korean OOB and a further revised Thai OOB.

http://www.gamesquad.com/forums/show...652#post886652

A new version of the Total Conversion Pack is also available now.

Questions and feedback always welcome.

http://www.gamesquad.com/forums/show...654#post886654

Re: Vietnam Specific OOBs
 

Looks good in generally;)... Hmm as I installed those Total Conversion Pack zips into game, Winzip showed that picklists were somehow "damaged" (or someting like that). Could you check them again? Otherwise all other files seem to work ok.

Re: Vietnam Specific OOBs
 

I'll check the file with the picklists. Thanks for the feedback.

EDIT: Try it again.

Re: Vietnam Specific OOBs
 

Hmm interesting. What I did wrong...

Anyway now it worked;)!!!

Thanks! Keep up good work!

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There is, however, a glaring error with the Philippine OOB. None of the costs were done (gross oversight on my part). I'll get a revised OOB in there as soon as I can.

Re: Vietnam Specific OOBs
 

Can you point me to a Vietnam era TO&E for the USMC?
Been searching the net for a while and no luck.

Re: Vietnam Specific OOBs
 

I actually haven't had much luck with the USMC in the way of TO&E information for infantry, armor, arty, and many support units. I was hoping I might be able to work with you on it for my pack actually hehe.

I've had the most luck adding things in my USMC OOB with regards to aircraft and helicopters. You'll notice in the change file for the USMC OOB, there are dramatically fewer changes then there are for the Army OOB.

Re: Vietnam Specific OOBs
 

Well I can give you bits and pieces but nothing comprehensive.
Part of the problem is there were several changes, experiments, and upgrades done during the 1962-1969 period. So although there was a paper TO&E (which is what I'm looking for) the TO&E actually used varied not only from year to year but in some cases from unit to unit. Given your project I suspect you're more interested in what was used as opposed to what was on paper.

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Yeah, I am, but a paper base is a good place to start from. I might find some time to do some searching and work on the project this week, but school starts Wednesday and I'm gone every weekend from now until the weekend of the Sept 15th, so who knows. Send me and Email and we can talk more about this.

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Private message with e-mail address sent.

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You were asking about the USMC using BAR's in Vietnam.
Do a search for M1918A2 in this document.

http://www.usmc.mil/directiv.nsf/0/0...%208300.1C.pdf

The download is a picture of one in use in Vietnam.

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It was used by the ARVN in Vietnam and by the US advisers. The link I got was a USMC form for weapons reporting. You would be surprised what exists in the armoury of the Regular Forces ,Reserve and National Guard troops around the country. Some units never get rid of weapons unless they have to.

link below shows an advisor shooting a BAR on a range with the a ARVN trooper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browning_Automatic_Rifle

Re: Vietnam Specific OOBs
 

Updates?

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Heh, well unfortunately the project has sort of been on hold. My HD crashed and I spent a fair amount of time bringing all sorts of things back up to date. Then school started, then I got evicted from where I was living, but now, now I have finished moving, so hopefully there might be some updates soon. I've just been really busy as of late hehe.

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Thatguy96, I'm finding this VERY useful.

http://www.usmc.mil/directiv.nsf/984...00309000_2.pdf

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Thanks a lot. What is the source on this (as in what's the title of the overall document)? Can you dl the whole document online from the USMC?

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Source is the official USMC web site.
I couldn't figure out how to access the overall document.
I'd imagine you could contact the Historical Branch to get this or any of the other 5,000,000 tons of official documents they have.

Re: Vietnam Specific OOBs
 

The good news is that whatever my next release looks like the total conversion will have the correct flags for Laos and Philippines, and a proper miniflag for the MACV/SOG oob. I'm still trying to work out flags for the USAF and USN oobs. I made the USAF miniflag the USAF roundel, but I'm not sure how good it will look if I try to make the actual USAF flag for the others (I might stick with the roundel for the other flags). The USN might be difficult as there's no good way around having to take a stab at a very low res version of the official USN flag.

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Another link you might find handy

http://books.google.com/books?id=ggF...a4paEDoIA#PPP1,M1

Re: Vietnam Specific OOBs
 

Yeah, I've definitely thought about picking that book up, and I've spent a fair amount of time talking with Gordon Rottman himself for this project actually. His Order of Battle book on the US Army, which is supposed to focus more on smaller unit organization, is coming out in March.

I also found the location of the rest of the Vietnam Pubs on the USMC website: http://www.usmc.mil/directiv.nsf/HIS...00&start=1

Re: Vietnam Specific OOBs
 

Here's a question. If I stopped work on the Vietnam Specific OOB and concentrated completely on the total conversion, and moved the OOBs and such from the VSP into the Total Conversion would people miss not having the "lite" version of the pack?

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I'd prefer a TC pack even if it is missing some minor things.

IOW if it has the US, ARVN and NVA/VC in and mostly done.

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I'm thinking its gotten to the point where I'm going to combine the two, because creating picklists for two versions of an OOB seem to more than I'm willing to do hehe.

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TC sounds the way to go, what with the amount of work and mods you have piled up. I mean, once you've dabbled in the data proper you can't expect an OOB pack to do the job, except if you work on two totally separate versions using your add-ins and the stock files respectively.