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I have been watching SG-1 since about season 2 or 3 and have seen most of the episodes.

I enjoy the show, but it is somewhat trite - i.e. Trek-like - in that at the resolution of every episode we're back to square one. Everyone is alive and we're ready for next week.

The Richard Dean Anderson years were fun, but not substantially different than what we're seeing now. A story-line which moves throughout a season is the direction most shows are going. I'm not wild about the Ori, but it will be a good "capper" for the show, I think.

There's only so many "let's go through the gate from Earth while everyone is unaware of our existence" episodes you can do.

The costs of the show - MGM and probably the cast's requirements - are getting prohibitive. The show can't stand to lose Tealc, Carter, or Jackson, so they have the bargaining power in that situation.

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Well, if Devlin and his partner hadn't sold the rights to Stargate and was unable to do the trilogy they had wanted to do, maybe all this would be a mute point. That's one reason I don't watch the show. Now, after the 8th or 9th season, I have no idea of what's going on so I could care less.

Speaking of Sci-fi in general, it's obvious the firm is run by suits and not a single one of them were ever a geek, nerd or trekkie. They wouldn't know what real sci-fi is if it hit them in the face. I mean, come on, no matter what the relationship with USA is, you can't be serious when you have ECW wrestling on a supposedly science fiction related show. And what's with all of these reality shows like Ghost Hunters? That's no sci-fi, or even fiction. I wish someone like Bill Gates or Steven Spielberg would buy the company and make a decent job of it. And looking at the tv guide for this week, they have the audacity to play Galactica 1980, the worse ever sequel of a tv show that ever was. Please, someone send them a clue!

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Reruns of "classic" (ahem) shows are cheap, grege, that's all

And it ties in loosely to the new BSG in the hopes to draw in Sci-Fi viewers who have night jobs.

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Greg, O'neil was promoted to General and put in charge of something, same with Hamond. The Jaffa have formed their own government which has twice now resulted in disaster for the Jaffa Nation. Dr. Jackson while playing around with an ancient device accidently discovered the Ori, who until Dr. Jacksons accident, didn't know our galaxy exsisted. They are now invading our Galaxy in order to convert everyone to the Ori religon. The Ori are assended beings who are at war with the Ancients. The Ancients won't help humanity defend against the Ori so we are on our own.

In the mean time, through ancient writings Dr. Jackson was able to find the lost ancient city of Atlantas and an expodisiton was sent there. It is in another galaxy filled with life sucking monsters called the Wraith.

The Replicators have been defeated, or so we think, the Gauld are gone say for a bunch of Baal Clones, and there is a pirate group running around the galaxy running a black market and doing criminal things.

Earth now has a fleet of space warships, two of which have been destoryed, one is assigned to Atlantas.

Well thats about it.

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Well, with the destruction of the Prometheus and the Korolev, the "fleet" is down to one; the Odyssey

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Def not a fan of the ori thing. Apperantly they are still trying to find a home for sg-1. I really doubt atlantis can stand on its own without sg-1 as the sg-1 line is quasi interlocked with atlantis. Plus the costs will now likely rise for the atlantis production as its on its own not sharing the lot with sg-1

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My take on the cancelation: it's ok. SG-1 jumped the shark a while ago. You could debate the moment when that happened, but you would have a hard time convincing me that it hasn't. So, it took what, 8 seasons to turn the threat of Gou'ld invasion into a basically non-issue, do you really want to repeat the same process for Ori? And where do you go after that? The time has come, I think, for it to end.

I think the entire model of the show is just about done, as well, so Atlantis will probably only last a few more seasons. Like alarikf said, it's very much in the Star Trek and Quantum Leap models. While it can be good, there comes a point when you've already tried out a bunch of different places, and anything else you do will end up seeming like a contrived re-hashing of previous episodes.

Where sci-fi in general is going, I think, is away from shows in the Star Trek mold, where everything is "perfect", and nobody really has personal problems from episode to episode beyond the obligatory romantic/sexual tension, and replaced with stories like Babylon 5 or the new Battlestar Galactica, where there are humanized characters with actual problems like addiction, depression, long-running feuds in the forefront of the story, "good" characters doing "evil" things, "evil" characters taking the high road and doing "good" things, etc. In other words, shift the focus of the story to characters with a scifi background, instead of a scifi environment populated by relatively flat characters.

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Um, no, they have two ships, the Odyssey and one other. Not sure what the ships name is.

edit the name is the Daedalus and the Odyssey. With two more coming soon. Not sure of their names yet. Probably TARGET, and SHOOT ME.

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Daedalus (spelling?) is the other one.

And will is right, SG1 going isn't a bad thing. SG1 represents the Star Trek TNG/Voyager era of science fiction. If I put a point on where it jumpd the shark, It would have to be with prometheus's first flight.

The best way to wrap up the Ori storyline is to hand the Ori a huge setback for 20-30 years and allow a future series of movie resolve it.

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Oops. You are indeed correct.

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I must say I completely disagree that the time has come for SG-1 to end. Stargate is, in my opinion, the best sci-fi on TV, anywhere. It has grown, it has matured over these past 10 seasons, but is still engrossing in a way that other shows simply can not match. It's not just science-fiction; it has aspects of drama, comedy, and many other things that combine into one spectacular whole that has stood, unmatched, for 10 years.

I for one hope it continues, since even if the quality isn't quite as good as it used to be (a fact I am not willing to concede), it is still the best sci-fi to be found.

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I hope they finally start showing that series in my own country. It like they specifically don't buy quality shows.
At least they played all seasons of DS9.

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I think there is a place for utopian fiction, too. I like the thought that we can eventually have a truely noble society that lasts.

Sure, we don't have one now, but that's no reason not to dream. The death of dreams is one of the things I truely fear. And that is something that the desire for darker shows only can bring about.

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SG 1 jumped the shark with episode 200. And they did it dilibratly. WTF?

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From what I've gathered, 200 was intentionally poking fun at itself, which is a good thing. You need to have a sense of humor, and the fact that they still have it shows that they haven't taken themselves too seriously.

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No, they said it was their jump the shark episode.

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Where was this said?

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Differences of opinion, then. All I know is that for me, any of the episodes that I happened upon in the past three or so years hasn't really been that great. I can feel the writers streching for new ways to dress up the same old stories, and when I saw the 200 episode (after this thread popped up, and I "found" a copy), I saw that the writers were aware of it too. A lot of the things they poked fun at are legitimate weaknesses in the show; the one that stands out the most clearly is the Team America parody, where they outline the stereotypical SG-1 team throughout every episode, where a "missing" character is replaced with a carbon-copy (smart-*** military guy outside typical command chain, all-American girl science genius, nerdy cultural expert, and strong, silent muscle). And you can only do so much with that before it gets to the point of you know what's going to happen in the episode just from the first five minutes.

Really, it would have been better if Daniel went to Atlantis at the start of the spin-off, and the SG-1 series just died, with occaisional references in the new series.

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They had an preview show on sci-fi channel before the episode aired where one of the producers, or both, said that they considered this 200th episode to be their "jump the shark" episode. 'So why not just go for it' was their logic behind the episode.

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It's such a damn shame. IMO it's a great show, I wasn't a very big fan of the movie but when the series first started I got hooked onto it. Now, I might agree it MIGHT be time to kill the show...IF they were going to replace it with something HALFWAY DECENT and thats acutally SCIENCE FICTION. But, seeing as how these companies operate these days it will probably be a stupid *** reality show, maybe, "Survivor: Locked inside a shuttle" or some jackass mentally retarded thing like that. And I'm sorry if your a fan of reality TV but come on, how much reality is it when your competing for a million dollars and you have camera's on you? There isn't enough actually decent shows on TV anymore, it's all becoming reality...guess what, if I wanted REAL REALITY I would just turn the tv and pc off and go mow the damn grass.

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the producers intentionally jumped the shark with episode 200 to end, for once and for all, all the fanboy ranting of which episode jumped the shark.

But you know what, if SG1 makes a successful movie run, it could lead to a huge revival of the show.

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Go Stargate GO! I would spend $10.00 to see another Stargate movie. Hell they should get Kurt Russel to do a reoccuring role in either SG1 or Atlantis. That would draw in some ratings.

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At the very least, enjoy the end of the season.

Then whatever comes, comes.

I *did* enjoy the most recent Atlantis episode with Sheppard and the Wraith in "Common Ground".

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From TV Guide 9/4-10/06:

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Kurt Russel's character has been a running joke on sg1.

"I'm Jack O'Neill. Two "L's". There's another Jack O'Neil with only one "L" and he doesn't have a sense of humor."

The original producers want to pursue a competing stargate frandchise as well, but MGM doesn't seem as interested in that as much. But who knows, MGM seems to be very open to scifi frandchises at the moment.

btw, sg1 could never return to Showtime. Showtime demands more full-frontal nudity -- something SG1 never really provided for the first 5 season intentionally.

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I would love to see the original cast members from the movie make another movie, if it's at all legally, production-wise, fiscally possible. That's when I might start watching Stargate again. Remember, when the series first came out, it was one of those Showtime only shows, so that's another reason I couldn't warm up to it. I didn't have Showtime, and therefore couldn't watch it. maybe if I did have Showtime back then, my feelings about the series would be different.

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"Can you make it spin? ... ... I'm the general and I want it to spin!"

The above is a quote from the 200th episode.

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I think the new enemy in Stargate should be a force like the peacekeepers or even zombies like from Army of Darkness.

I would love to hear O'niell say "This is my boom sick!" Or Cater "well that was just pillow talk baby." Have Tel'c say "You left your back door wide open on that one guys." And Daniel say "Klaatu barada nikto"

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I only just recently got to see this episode, and I must say it lived up to expectations. It was hilarious! I especially liked the younger "edgier" versions of the team http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif That sequence was great. Oh, and "Teal'c, PI" was awesome http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[O'Neill's invisible in a fictional episode. Carter's taking a shower.]
Maj. Carter: Sir? Are you there?
[Long pause]
Col. O'Neill: Nope.

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Col. O'Neill: The bottom line is, I can do more for this planet invisible than I ever could as my own sweet salient self.
[Pause]
Teal'c: I assume I am staring at you stoically.
Col O'Neill: Not buying it, eh?
Teal'c: You are most transparent, O'Neill.
Col O'Neill: Ohh! I get it. Good one.
Teal'c: I can see right through you.
Col. O'Neill: Don't push it...

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[Teal'c pitches a story to Martin Lloyd]
Announcer: When it comes to fighting crime, there's only one man keepin' the street safe, while keepin' it real.
[Teal'c, dressed in a trenchcoat and fedora, pitches a guy through a glass door. He strokes the brim of his hat]
Teal'c: In-deed.
Announcer: Teal'c PI, coming this fall.

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[The Stargate is overloading with power.]
Lt. Col. Carter: Siler, manually cut the power!
[Siler tries to and is thrown across the Gate room.]
Sgt. Siler: Why does this always happen to me?

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[O'Neill and Jackson are waiting at an altar, O'Neill as the groom and Jackson as the best man]
Dr. Jackson: You know, if she doesn't show, people are going to think that…you and I are…
Gen. O'Neill: What?

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[Teenage Teal'c is kissing an alien woman, teenage O'Neill comes in and shoots her]
Teenage Teal'c: Yo man, what'd you do that for?
Teenage O'Neill: Dude, that chick was totally a Goa'uld.
Teenage Teal'c: Well, yeah, but I was still gonna tap that!