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StarShadow:
That was not my intention. BK already posts over there anyways. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

se5a:
Shush! They will find me out! :eyes shift rapidly side to side:

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LOL!

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Mountain or molehill, I know what I like, and what I don't.

The "3D shipset thing" isn't what I said at all. No, I don't like the entire 3D format it went to - ships, planets, solar systems, whatever. If I'd personally been interested in that, there are much better 3D environment games I'd have gone with. And some of those "numerous complaints" are just like the ones of mine you just shot down. I was refering to, and seconding, <font color="blue">GP</font>'s suggestion to create a SEIV section, since obviously SEV has overwhelmingly swamped the forum as it stands now.

And as to a general lean against dissenting points of view - "Seriously though, if you want forums that will always be devoted to SE4, you could always use SEnet:" is a pretty good example. That statement seems to shout "If I don't like the dominating topic here, I can just pack up and go elsewhere". And obviously that's not my point of view alone, as <font color="green">StarShadow</font>'s comment proves. I don't beleive the overall tone is deliberately negative, but I do see it as being there just the same.

Honestly, I think overall SEV is a long-awaited treasure for some people, and missed the marked big-time for others. And it is certainly seems to be drawing a very subtle line in the sand...

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I think there has been some serious miscommunication here.

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Calm down guys. Fyron's (And others) stance has never seemed to come across as a "like it or shut up/move on".... he runs SpaceEmpires.net and provides the SE4 forums over there (as well as others) so you can hardly try and draw the conclusion that he's trying to oust the SE4 lot - if that were the case I'd expect him to shut down those forums for a start...

A lot of people seem to be assuming others are either anti-SE5 or anti-SE4.... those who have been around long enough will know better, and those who haven't should remember that this is a very relaxed community and barring one incident about 6/7 years ago I can't think of any dramabombs I've witnessed. Sit back, take a breath, and read it all again without assumptions.

At the moment, of course SE5 (Demo) is going to be in the limelight... it's less than a week (ok, slightly more than a week) out of the door and everyone's going to have their chance to say "oooo toy" and make their observations - in a week or two when new Q/A have been dealt with, people have made up their minds, and the demo has been explored to it's fullest you should start to see conversation returning to SE4 - this is after all an SE4 and SE5 forum.

In other news, if you're feeling a lack of love for SE4 threads at the moment, start one - or stick to an existing one - popular threads will sit on top and you can just skip those you aren't interested in.

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Well, I played the demo for a week before voting. As I spent more time playing the demo, I started to like it more and more. In the beginning, I didn't like it much because of the awkward user interface and it was hard to do the things that were easy in SEIV. But once I got used to the interface, it stopped bothering me and I liked the demo more.

But there sure are a lot of problems! There is no way all these bugs can be fixed by October 16th. Regardless, I still plan to buy the game as soon as it comes out and trust that the bugs will be fixed in patches. I'm going to buy the boxed version from the local store, not the download version.

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I'm happy with the game as it stands, but I simply couldn't buy it in the state the demo is in... too many bugs. I'm hoping the really bad ones will be taken care of, though.

Some of the interface elements could use a change, too; when you click on a sector it really shouldn't auto-select all of them, and I'd greatly prefer the "click to select one, shift-click to toggle selection" method over the "click to toggle selection" that's currently in place... these are both pretty minor concerns though.

edit: Also, regarding a lot of the core gameplay changes... I'm pretty positive about them. A few of them actually are things I really wished were in SEIV:
- Fog of war. Space is a deep, dark place - even in a star system - and the idea of having to survey a system just seems right to me. I also like the strategic implications; no longer can you automatically detect every ship that's in the same system.
- Real-time combat. While I liked SEIV's turn-based combat, it was just too simple for my tastes... not having the ability to pre-empt enemy actions (eg. Jagged Alliance) results in a large 'gaminess' factor where you can dance out of weapon range while freely attacking.

Just my two cents.

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???
The forums that were SEIV when SEIV sold here, and has all the SEIV information archived, should be the ones that move to a new location? I have no problem with an SEV forum being created here but I dont think the SEIV conversations moving is a good idea.

And isnt that your domain? The SEIV conversations should switch to a forum where you are moderator? Altho Im sure you see no problem with that, dont be surprised if others do.

Gandalf Parker

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My opinon, SE 5 should not be rushed out and only later be polished because that could hurt the sale numbers. Friends of the brand could possibly live with a product that grows with the patches as they have SE 4 in the meanwhile but the rest of the world ... .

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I'd prefer limited fog of war. You enter a system and know where the planets are, but don't know exactly what their characteristics are until you fly closer.

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He wasn't suggesting moving the archived information. He said if you want to visit a forum that is devoted to SEIV and only SEIV, there are places you can go for that already, that don't require change here. As was already noted, this was a plug on Fyron's part; although on the subtlety part, I think it has all the subtlety of a sledgehammer to the skull, but that's just me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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You're right, that would be a great way to do it. It would give you a vague idea of the makeup of the system and let you know where to send scouts, but still maintain the foggy nature.

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what I like about the SE forums at Shrapnel, is that the decent folk here dont participate in mudslinging. Especially after cooler heads have defused the issue...

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You are correct. I apologize.

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I voted for the second option on each when I voted on the poll, but after spending more time with the demo I'm growing more and more tempted to do the pre-order thing.

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How do you see the results of the poll? Am I missing somethign really basic here?

THanks!

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In other words what "they" are saying is "Love the idea, sounds great, but needs a good deal more polishing before I plunk down my money"

I have to say from all of my readings here I am moving towards this camp - and I really don't want to. But I am growing more and more concerned about what I will be getting for my $. I've had SEIV since it came out, never played the series before that. Very impressive, great support - but I am very concerned about the comments from some of the longer-time players who I understand to be saying that the UI is dodgy, etc. I have little doubt about the richness of the game under the hood - but if it is a click-fest and hard to work with, then that diminishes it overall from my perspective. But I haven't been able to successfully download the demo yet, so I am depending wholly on what I read.

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The results will be shown after you voted. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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The UI took some getting used to since I've had my face buried in the SEIV UI for 6 years. Once I figured out how to customize it, I LOVE it. I love the little flags over the 3d objects (once I made them smaller).

Now that I am used to the interface, I've tried playing a game of SEIV and SEV is clearly better imho.

I'd get it downloaded, expect a bit of a learning curve, then decide for yourself. Some of the screaming and crying here has been way out of proportion to the actual difficulty of 1. learning the new UI and 2. customizing the UI. Upgrades could be made to it, but its not as bad as people have made it out to be, so you'll have to see for yourself.

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I'll be taking a "wait and see" attitude with SEV. The demo's not bad, but it's not drawing me in the way SEIV did at first. Of course, SEIV was really the first 4x space game I had really ever played, so there was a whole "newness" to the experience that isn't present with the SEV demo for me.

I'm sure I'll buy it eventually, but I'm not in any rush.

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I liked the demo. I found out about SE4 late in its life, so I never really got into it too much. That says something about marketing because I was a big moo1 and 2 fan but never heard of it until after galciv came out, go figure.

The 3d engine is nice, watching ship battles was one of the few things I enjoyed about moo3. Add that with the huge potential and it should be great.