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Annette September 22nd, 2006 10:29 AM

Re: exact founding/publishing date
 
Shrapnel Games opened it's virtual doors July 9, 1999.

Horst F. JENS September 22nd, 2006 11:53 AM

Re: exact founding/publishing date
 
Thank you Anette !
Updated the strategywiki entry about shrapnelgames:
http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Category:Shrapnel_Games

Nerfix September 25th, 2006 12:04 PM

Re: exact founding/publishing date
 
I would like to announce that all pages currently appearing on the List of Contents are now filled. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Of course updating will follow in the future. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

DominionsFan September 25th, 2006 12:56 PM

Re: exact founding/publishing date
 
Quote:

Nerfix said:
I would like to announce that all pages currently appearing on the List of Contents are now filled. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Of course updating will follow in the future. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif


Ah nice job Nerfix!! Sadly I had no time on the weekend to edit the wiki. Of course we will update it when the game is out, also I think that I had some ideas what to add before the game is out.
I will figure out that what was I thinking about, because I forgot about it on the weekend. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/stupid.gif

Nerfix September 25th, 2006 01:06 PM

Re: exact founding/publishing date
 
Ah, it's ok. I'm not putting a bit of stuff to the nations.

Horst F. JENS September 25th, 2006 02:43 PM

Re: exact founding/publishing date
 
added link to Sun Zu's "The art of war" in the "things to know" -> "things to read" section.

Endoperez September 25th, 2006 05:51 PM

Re: exact founding/publishing date
 
Quote:

Horst F. JENS said:
added link to Sun Zu's "The art of war" in the "things to know" -> "things to read" section.

Does it have all the wonderful mentions about the age of Spring & Autumn, and history of China, etc? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif I'll have to find my Finnish copy again. I've misplaced it.

Nerfix September 25th, 2006 05:52 PM

Re: exact founding/publishing date
 
It does mention chariots. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Kristoffer O September 26th, 2006 05:28 PM

Re: exact founding/publishing date
 
I've checked out when we were registered as a company here in Sweden. It would seem we have our fifth birthday tomorrow !!!

Illwinter Game Design was registered as a company 2001-09-27

Thanks for making me check it out http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Nerfix September 26th, 2006 05:30 PM

Re: exact founding/publishing date
 
Oooh, this calls for a part. Happy 5th birthday!

What do you think of the Wiki itself?

Kristoffer O September 26th, 2006 05:46 PM

Re: exact founding/publishing date
 
It's looking great! Very ambitious.

Nerfix September 26th, 2006 05:48 PM

Re: exact founding/publishing date
 
Well, with these projects one needs a bit of ambition don't you agree? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

PDF September 26th, 2006 06:00 PM

Re: Thanks for all the help
 
This wiki is very nice! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I edited the Paths and Scales section to add (useful IMHO) informations about the path and dominion strength "cumulative costs" in design points.
I hope it's not too "nitpicky" on such a page ?

Nerfix September 26th, 2006 06:16 PM

Re: Thanks for all the help
 
I have yet to check it, but I don't think it will be. The more the better.

EDIt: Checked it. It's all good, very useful information.

Horst F. JENS September 27th, 2006 03:28 AM

Re: Thanks for all the help
 
Quote:

PDF said:
I hope it's not too "nitpicky" on such a page ?

No. This wiki is *the* place to go into details.

PDF September 27th, 2006 07:43 AM

Re: exact founding/publishing date
 
Thanks !
Maybe I'll soon update the nation list so it'll be the real one http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

DominionsFan September 27th, 2006 07:44 AM

Re: exact founding/publishing date
 
Quote:

PDF said:
Thanks !
Maybe I'll soon update the nation list so it'll be the real one http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

What do you mean on real one?

PDF September 27th, 2006 08:01 AM

Re: exact founding/publishing date
 
Quote:

DominionsFan said:
Quote:

PDF said:
Thanks !
Maybe I'll soon update the nation list so it'll be the real one http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

What do you mean on real one?

Currently the wiki list is off : at least the early era list is wrong, there is no more Man LotT... Maybe it's the only error, but I've only read the top !

DominionsFan September 27th, 2006 08:05 AM

Re: exact founding/publishing date
 
Ah I see. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

Anyways I am updating the wiki now. I've just added Treasury/Income/Upkeep with informations.
Also I am adding unit attributes right now.

PDF September 27th, 2006 08:08 AM

Re: exact founding/publishing date
 
Quote:

DominionsFan said:
Ah I see. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

Anyways I am updating the wiki now. I've just added Treasury/Income/Upkeep with informations.
Also I am adding unit attributes right now.

Hey you're like me, mistaking this place for a chat ! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

About unit attributes, Sunray (kind of unofficial Dom beta, occasional poster here..) is currently designing a complete spreadsheet showing all recruitable units attributes (update of the existing one he made for Dom2). Some nations have already been done, it'll be better to coordinate efforts...

Send me a pm so I'll fwd the file and keep you in touch with Sunray http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Nerfix September 27th, 2006 08:11 AM

Re: exact founding/publishing date
 
I think he ment that he is making a generic list of what the unit attributes like Attack, Defence, Protection etc. do.

PDF September 27th, 2006 08:16 AM

Re: exact founding/publishing date
 
Quote:

Nerfix said:
I think he ment that he is making a generic list of what the unit attributes like Attack, Defence, Protection etc. do.

Ah ok, didn't get it. We aren't working on that http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif.

BTW I've just updated the early era nations list, enjoy ! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

DominionsFan September 27th, 2006 08:30 AM

Re: exact founding/publishing date
 
Quote:

Nerfix said:
I think he ment that he is making a generic list of what the unit attributes like Attack, Defence, Protection etc. do.

Yeap I've just added those indeed with basic descriptions. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

Thanks for the corrections in the Eras section PDF! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

Horst F. JENS September 27th, 2006 09:33 AM

Re: exact founding/publishing date
 
R'lyeh: links to wikipedia and wikisource entrys about Lovecraft (and his books) added.
I could use some help with this {wikipedia template} function. (*If* it works, it makes a pretty white box and a wikipedia symbol).

Horst F. JENS October 2nd, 2006 05:21 PM

wikipedia entry started
 
Finally started the wikipedia entry for dominions3 while waiting for the game to appear in my mailbox.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominions_3:_The_Awakening

Nerfix October 2nd, 2006 05:26 PM

Re: wikipedia entry started
 
Good good. =)

Unwise October 3rd, 2006 12:10 AM

Re: wikipedia entry started
 
I took a whack at doing a nation summary. Take a gander at Early Era Ulm:

http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Early_E...nigma_of_Steel

Fairly sparse, but I submit it as a potential standard. Be sure to create the category back-links when creating new pages... I failed to do so for the first page, and there is no easy way to go back and fix that.

BigJMoney October 3rd, 2006 02:17 AM

Re: wikipedia entry started
 
Hehe, I had to change the DomII reference to "Dominions II" since that is the proper title.

=$=

BigJMoney October 3rd, 2006 02:32 AM

Re: wikipedia entry started
 
@Unwise

Your best strategic advice in the whole section is the bit at the end about how to deal with your SO. You must have centuries of experience, master.

By the way, happy 69th post. [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Balloons.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Panda.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Balloons.gif[/img]

=$=

Horst F. JENS October 3rd, 2006 03:35 AM

strategywiki problems
 
Hello Unwise,
i admired your work at the strategywiki about Ulm - Early Era. Unfortunatly, the page was not a sub-page of the Dominions3 - page and not linked to it. One of the strategywiki-admins has deleted the page seconds before i was able to move it to the correct position: http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Dominio..._Awakening/Ulm
I contacted one admin and hope he will be able to resurrect your site. (I liked especially the part about the SO).

I know this is very unfortunate, but please don't stop contributing to the wikis.

You maybe want to consider working first on www.wikipedia.org before diving into strategywiki.

Wikipedia has a better help system, more explained guidelines as well as an 24/7 online-chat-help system.

Wikipedia entry about dom3 that could use more information (specs of the manual, system requirements, SHORT description of the game) : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dom3

Please make Strategywiki entrys about Dom3-stuff as sub-entrys of http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Dominions3:_The_Awakening

for example, to link from the strategywiki entry about dominions3 to a not-yet-existing sub-page about "Dwarven Hammer" make an link like:
[[/Dwarven_Hammer/]]

sorry again for the trouble.
-Horst

Horst F. JENS October 3rd, 2006 04:56 AM

Re: strategywiki problems
 
strategywiki problem solved, DrBob moved the site to a more correct location: http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Dominio...nigma_of_Steel

DominionsFan October 3rd, 2006 05:37 AM

Re: strategywiki problems
 
Why is the table of contents on a new page now? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif
Imho it was better on the starting page.

Horst F. JENS October 3rd, 2006 07:56 AM

Re: strategywiki problems
 
Hi DominionsFan, i moved it to the "correct" position (see also the discussion page) to make the Show/Hide link on the topright corner work correctly. There existed two different Table of contents before (the "official" one with the blue show/hide link and the "false" one on the front page). I tryed to sync those two tables of Content but it was a ugly work. In my Opinion it is better to concentrate on one table of content, the "official" one (supported by the blue show/hide link and also the blue top menu). In this way, every user is able to hide/display the Table of Content from the wiki front page at will. Before, it always eated up a lot of space with redunant information.
Doing so will also help to make strategywiki more streamlined and professional looking. Please try syncing the two different tables yourself and you will see what i mean.

DominionsFan October 3rd, 2006 08:02 AM

Re: strategywiki problems
 
Quote:

Horst F. JENS said:
Hi DominionsFan, i moved it to the "correct" position (see also the discussion page) to make the Show/Hide link on the topright corner work correctly. There existed two different Table of contents before (the "official" one with the blue show/hide link and the "false" one on the front page). I tryed to sync those two tables of Content but it was a ugly work. In my Opinion it is better to concentrate on one table of content, the "official" one (supported by the blue show/hide link and also the blue top menu). In this way, every user is able to hide/display the Table of Content from the wiki front page at will. Before, it always eated up a lot of space with redunant information.
Doing so will also help to make strategywiki more streamlined and professional looking. Please try syncing the two different tables yourself and you will see what i mean.

Ah finally I've found that show/hide thing. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif
Yeah this is good as it is now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

Unwise October 3rd, 2006 09:01 AM

Re: strategywiki problems
 
About a third of the way through my effort I realized that I had not properly made the pages sub-pages of the previous sections, and as I noted in my previous post, there did not seem to be any way to easily fix it without deleting and re-creating everything.

Thanks for your efforts in keeping the stuff, I now know how to do it properly.

Taqwus October 4th, 2006 04:55 PM

Re: strategywiki problems
 
Hm. Occurs to me that it shouldn't be too detailed -- we want it to be a good description of the game, something for a prospective buyer or for somebody looking for discussion/details, but not a replacement for the manual.

DominionsFan October 4th, 2006 05:39 PM

Re: strategywiki problems
 
Quote:

Taqwus said:
Hm. Occurs to me that it shouldn't be too detailed -- we want it to be a good description of the game, something for a prospective buyer or for somebody looking for discussion/details, but not a replacement for the manual.

Hm, why is that a problem if it is too detailed? I think that more details = happier people. In fact take a look at Sunray's site for example. It is excellent because it contains lot of infos about Dominions 2. for example.

GamerMan12 October 4th, 2006 05:46 PM

Re: strategywiki problems
 
I agree, the Wiki should be detailed, just with detail that is not in the manual. The Wiki can explain things that are just glossed over in the manual - it can have various play strategies and reason swhy the game is worth playing.
As well as a general friendly intro to the game

GM12

Taqwus October 4th, 2006 07:09 PM

Re: strategywiki problems
 
DominionsFan --

Mostly to avoid making it too easy for those who obtain unauthorized copies of the game, that's all.

We might also want spoiler warnings at some point. *shrug*

DominionsFan October 4th, 2006 07:50 PM

Re: strategywiki problems
 
Quote:

Taqwus said:
DominionsFan --

Mostly to avoid making it too easy for those who obtain unauthorized copies of the game, that's all.

We might also want spoiler warnings at some point. *shrug*

Hm unauthorized copies? What is that means exactly? You mean illegal copies?
Hm....but wait those people can also read the various PDF files and sites like Sunray's.

Unwise October 4th, 2006 10:48 PM

Re: strategywiki problems
 
I think if people are going through the trouble of getting an illegal copy and obtaining a CD key through nefarious means, then denying easy access to a site that gives them tips on how to play Pangaea is not going to help or hinder their life of crime significantly.

I think the purpose of the Wiki is to provide an easily searchable resource for generic questions that are not to be readily found in the manual:

What is the best magic item path to take a mage from Earth-2 to Earth-5?

What are the national heroes for late-era Ermor?

What maps has Jason Lutes done?

What is a "Blitz Game"?

What Super Combattant chassis have people had success with?

Taqwus October 5th, 2006 12:19 AM

Re: strategywiki problems
 
*shrug* True enough.

Although 'best' is going to start fights. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Nerfix October 5th, 2006 03:37 AM

Re: strategywiki problems
 
Hahaha, yeah, but I think that mentioning several different aproaches and their advantages and disadvantages is good. =)

DominionsFan October 5th, 2006 08:07 AM

Re: strategywiki problems
 
Quote:

Unwise said:
I think if people are going through the trouble of getting an illegal copy and obtaining a CD key through nefarious means, then denying easy access to a site that gives them tips on how to play Pangaea is not going to help or hinder their life of crime significantly.

I think the purpose of the Wiki is to provide an easily searchable resource for generic questions that are not to be readily found in the manual:

What is the best magic item path to take a mage from Earth-2 to Earth-5?

What are the national heroes for late-era Ermor?

What maps has Jason Lutes done?

What is a "Blitz Game"?

What Super Combattant chassis have people had success with?

Heh true. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

Caduceus October 6th, 2006 10:06 AM

Re: strategywiki problems
 
Just a bump to bring this to new players' attention.

Morkilus October 17th, 2006 07:55 PM

Nations are set up in the Wiki
 
So now we need some content! We have decent strategy discussions on Golden Age Arco and Kailasa. Who wants to take on another? We have, uh, like fifty left to go. Alternative strategies are welcome as well, I imagine. Here's the link to the nations page so you can navigate. Note that some are subsumed under others, i.e., you'll find Helheim under Vanheim sorta like in the official manual.

Strategy Wiki Dom3 Nations Page

upstreamedge October 17th, 2006 08:11 PM

Re: Nations are set up in the Wiki
 
I think that we should get more than numbers in the wiki, for instance I have found that Warriors of the Five Elements (Tien'Chi EA) are very effective as early game anti mages. Basically what I am trying to say is we should get little snipits of info that detail how a unit functions in a practical situation. I know that made no sense, but I tried

Morkilus October 17th, 2006 08:23 PM

Re: Nations are set up in the Wiki
 
No, you make perfect sense! This is exactly what I think we should have in the nation section; stuff like recruit lists and castle types are covered in Sunray's excel file and the manual. How to properly utilize Machaka's blessed troops needs to go in the wiki. It is a "strategy wiki" after all, not a substitute for the manual.

dirtywick October 17th, 2006 09:06 PM

Re: Nations are set up in the Wiki
 
Quote:

Morkilus said:
So now we need some content! We have decent strategy discussions on Golden Age Arco and Kailasa. Who wants to take on another? We have, uh, like fifty left to go. Alternative strategies are welcome as well, I imagine. Here's the link to the nations page so you can navigate. Note that some are subsumed under others, i.e., you'll find Helheim under Vanheim sorta like in the official manual.

Strategy Wiki Dom3 Nations Page

I guess I'll try Shinuyama next. This one appears to be a challenge though http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Unwise October 17th, 2006 09:17 PM

Re: Nations are set up in the Wiki
 
Quote:

I guess I'll try Shinuyama next. This one appears to be a challenge though

Don't be shy about changing the existing stuff too though -- it's a Wiki, the old stuff is not lost and if your changes suck, someone will change it back no harm done.


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