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Does anyone know the two eps are called ? "Occupation" and ?

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I have one question.

If the cylons are now imortal, ie they are killed they simply download to a new body and go on, then what happesn to a cylon human hybrid child if it dies or is killed? Does it download to a new body? What body would it download too?

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You know what the current story line reminds me of? How the US wiped out the american indians in the mid to late 1800's. They numbered in the millions and we all but exterminated them. We forced them from their lands, made them nomadic tribes, and when they finally settled down we swooped in and made them surrender. Eventually the call for blood was lessoned to the desire to "cage" what few of them remained.

We did this not because we were evil, but because we believed that God wanted us to win in order to build a nation. God guided our leaders of the time just as much as ambition and greed had. Perhaps this story line, albeit somewhat convaluted and too anchored in current events for my tastes, might in some way pay off for the overall story line of the series. Then again it could just be a bad idea in which the writers have locked themselves into and cannot seem to find a clever way out of.

It reminds me of the old Buck Rogers series, the one Glen Larson produced. It was on the air for a year, then off then it came back again but it wasn't the same. In stead of being earth based they change the story line so that they were now out in a space ship looking for the lost tribes of humanity or something. IT failed too last a full season.

Before that we had BSG 1978 and then two years later BSG 1980. Both were BSG but the second series just didn't have it.

In both of these examples the writers tried to save the series by changing what the series was about. Imagine if Lucas did that... oh wait he did. Bad example.

What I am trying to say is, they had a solid premis for a series and then they changed it. Why they changed it I don't know. But they did change it and now its not the same. I would say that I want them to go back too their roots but I know that won't happen. I am sure that in a few dozen episodes things will turn out fine and we will all be amazed by how well they pulled it off, but in the intrum, I am finding the journey a bit too dry and dusty to see the path clearly.

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Transcript of the scene on colonial one, where the cylons are discussing why they are there:

Preacher: "Let's review why we're here, shall we? We're supposed to bring the word of 'god' to the people, right? To save humanity from damnation, by bringing the love of 'god' to these poor [unitelligible] people."
Six: "We're here because the majority of the Cylon felt that the slaughter of mankind had been a mistake."
Boomer: "We're here to find a new way to live in peace, as god wants us to live."
Preacher: "And it's been a fun ride so far, but I want to clarify our objectives. If we're bringing the word of god, then it follows that we should employ any means necessary to do so -- any means. Yes. Fear is a key article of faith, as I understand it, so perhaps it's time to instill a little more fear into the people's hearts and minds."

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Sounds hauntingly familar doesn't it?

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Now THAT was very clever.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

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Kwok, I may just have to hurt, no... seriously MAIM, you for that comment... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

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Spoilers about the direction of the series.
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The New Caprica arc only last five or so episodes, then it's back to the hunt for earth.

The next episode is called "Exodus Part 1".

END SPOILERS.

I suppose the question you have to ask yourself is, if this was not called battlestar galactica but a spin off series called "Resistence" or something, would you still sit down, watch and enjoy it? If the answer is "no", then fair enough. If the answer is yes, then does it matter? Good television is good television as far as I'm concerned.

Precipice

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What "Highly Trained military force? The Galactica was gonna be decommissioned at the start of the show. The ship had a FEW OLD vets (many rusty as hell), who's usefulness to society had made the military a pariah. Remember the Twelve Colonies, were for the most-pat a bunch of Peace-nics. Imaginge the cut-backs the Military had to endure, since the previous Cylon war had ended. The ship was not even full. It had a small core of OLD vets and a bunch of kids transfered on in the last year or two so that it could be Decommissioned with style. "Who needs warships, we're not at war", was the philosophy of the day ... Till the mushroom clouds came.

And in least that respect ... If you look closely, both the original and this version, both shared the same message. "The military is not god, but don't let it wither and die when times are good(and peaceful), because things can change fast.

P.S. - can anyone imagine what Iraq II war would have been like if U.S. had its 1960's sized Military instead if its small one it had since the end of the 1980's ??? (of course, the US economy would have collapsed like the USSR did if it had attempted to maintain its 'Cold War' sized military.)

Added note - Although not entirely pleased with the Rockball story arc, I still think it's one of the better shows currently on TV, Maybe others would prefer 'DEAL or no DEAL', or yet another LA Law clone, (And if you do, Hooray for you, since TV is for the most part just the modern day equivelent of roman Gladitorial Games - "Bread and Circuses". Thats another O.T. thread, eh ?) The only problem of this current story arc with it's Iraq war parallels is that the audience who watches this show, for the most part, is intelligent enough to have already understood that there are more than just the GOOD-Guys side in the war. 'NBG' shows what it's like to be thrust into the situation of being on the other side. And maybe ask the question, 'what makes a person believe that being a Suicide bomber is a viable and acceptable thing. Especially when INNOCENTS will die as collateral damage. Unfortunately, the people who need to see and possibly understand this, usually watch much easier TV to digest for the most part.

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Hear hear.

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I, for one, fail to see any inconsistency in the way the plot is going. Everything that has been done thus far is a logical extension of what came before. People had been cooped up on those ships for a long time, it was natural for them to want a place to settle down, whether or not that place was Earth. They didn't care, they just wanted solid ground beneath them, and so the writers wrote in a smallish storyline to go with the settling down and then the eventual relocation back up to the ships.

To me, it makes a lot more sense for people to want off the ships after a year or so of being stuffed in like sardines, than to be perfectly happy to stay on the ships, regardless of which choice would make more sense when it comes to the survival of humanity.

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He is right about one thing for sure. It certainly is better than most shows even if its not what we expect, its a hell of a lot better than Deal No Deal. Good point. I shall shut the hell up now and enjoy it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif (Until next time that is. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif)

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What about when "Caprica" starts. It sopunds to me like a Dynasty clone.

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Caprica is still in pre-production as far as I know, but I know they hired some experienced soap writers back in june according to some of the news sites I visit.

I full expect Caprica's big season finale to be "Who Shot Adama!"

BSG looks like it'll have a really kick-*** mid season finale from the spoilers.

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Hey you know what I was saying about only watching Star Wars or BSG for the battles. Look at this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxX0DKE3oqw


oh and on another related note

http://www.battlestargalacticasite.c...it_survive.php

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This video is AWESOME !!! Could be a page right out of some Space Empires battle, especially in a game where you're using both of <font color="red">AT</font>'s associated shipsets !!!

Battlestar Galactica vs. Star Wars

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But Screamers Ripped off Pod People

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That was a very cool video. However I do think that the battlestars would have faired far better agaisnt SD than they did.

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Season opener viewers for BSG season 3 down from season 2:
Yahoo News

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I finally figured out what movie they used to get the human cylon concept from. Granted they had it from the BSG 1980, but they didn't have it nailed down until they ripped off Screamers.

If you haven't seen Screamers, rent it. Its not a bad movie. I liked it for many reason, one being that it seemed like only one small chapter in a much larger story.

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Glad to see my find is popular.

I do have one problem with it. A viper is flying down a trench (most probably the one that runs along the side of a SD) the pilot does the whole inertia thing and turns around while continuing forward so he can shoot at the TIE behind him. Hello mr colonial pilot, you are now moving down a trench backwards. A trench I must point out that has turrets and stuff sticking out. That whole turning trick works in space but your career will be short if you try it inside soemthing.

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I think they were just high-lighting the fact that the vipers can flip around and do that (which most space one-man fighters should be able to do, I suppose).

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I'm with Atrocities, I think the new Battlestars from RDM's series would have fared significantly better against star wars ISD's and Vipers would have been superior to the TIE's as well (TIE's have to move like airplanes in space, vipers move like they are in space while in space)

Original Series Battlestars, I think were depicted fairly accurate, I don't recall any of the original series battlestars being in direct ship-to-ship combat and faring well.

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This is the first chance I've had to get on teh computer since Friday, so let me put my 2 cents in. As with most of the episodes, I'm wondering if I'm too tired to make sense of what's going on, even if it is coming on an hour earlier. I know scriptwriters are taking cues from modern events, but I can't believe that with teh last contigent of known humans alive, that Tighe (and Adama and Roslin) would condone suicide bombing. And what's the point? Everyone knows that the human cylons can clone themselves and their memories, and I'm sure it doesn't costs too much to put out another toaster or two. What the humans should be doing is to blow up the factories and the cloning facilities. That way, teh cylons would feel the pinch as their numbers go down.

As far as Kira, i can't believe it took all this time from when she was in the cylon hospital in Caprica to let us know that one of her ovaries was taken out and used to reproduce a child (at least, if you can believe the cylon). I always wondered what they did to her, but I never heard anything mentioned in the show. You'd think she would have at least visited that cranky ole doctor to see what she went through.

As far as Sharon on the Galactica, I don't see a problem with Adama giving her her freedom and a mission. She has proven to be reliable, and as far as we can tell, was never programmed to do anything other than love Helo and have his baby.

What gets me is Baltar and #6. I was wondering why he was having hallucations about her, and then her having hallucinations about him. It finally occurred to me a few days ago that he might be a cylon; maybe an unknown 13th prototype as all of the other cylons treat him as a human. I'll have to see how this story develops.

Hopefully, the cylon occupation won't last too long, and the humans will go back into space and eventually find earth. maybe they'll even incorporate some of Richard Hatch's ideas for the grand finale. I heard it was pretty good.

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The season opener has certainly created a vast array of interesting story arcs. I look forward to seeing how they resolve so many of the apparent paradoxes. I suspect that we will get a lot of flash back episodes to explain all the things we have missed (Tie's eye, pudgy Lee,)

I thought it was fairly clear what they had taken from Kira when they showed her tummy scar.

And, i always thought Baltar was a cylon... (think how much sense it makes - how did he survive the nuking on Caprica?)

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ep 3 wasn't bad at all. in fact it was pretty damn good.

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How many Cylon models do we know about?

3). D'Anna Biers - Reporter
5). Arron Doral - Leader
6). Six - Gina, Godfrey, Shelley
8). Sharron - Boomer
*). Leoben - The one that likes Starbuck
*). Simon - The doctor from "The Farm"
*). Brother Cavil - Priest

Cylon models might also include the Toasters, the Cylon Raider, Cylon Heavy Raider and Cylon Base ship. Don't know about the Resurrection ship, but that would be twelve.

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what about the one that starbuck beat the crap out of in the first season?

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*). Leoben - The one that likes Starbuck

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I re-watched "The Farm" last night from season two - Simon talks about taking samples of Kara's ovary with Six at the nurses' station.

Additionally - she had a LLQ abdominal GSW - a great location to go after an ovary, but they "went back in to get some bleeding" a few days after she was in the hospital.

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What is with Boomer's baby? They were on New Caprica for a year before the Cylons arrived, and over four months more with the Cylons, and Boomer's baby is still a newborn... while Starbuck's younger baby is already a toddler.

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I think Kacey is a cylon

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Maybe she'll have a really long life span

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I think everyone is a Cylon... Kobol was destroyed by the original Cylons who became the "humans" of the 12 colonies, who in turn recreated Cylons who destroyed them, who will in turn be destroyed by the tin cans.

An endless cycle of history repeating itself...

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Everyone is a Cylon EXCEPT Balter.

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Well we know that there is a Cylon God now and that IT does talk to cylons in their sleep.

We also know that cylons are starting to have problems downloading as its causing them pain.

Theory's abound as to who are cyclons and such. I can't help but miss the metal crome domes war on humanity over these human cylong sethenoranics. Hell one of these day the crome heads are going to turn on them, even though they are programed not too.

And we have yet to hear a crome dome talk... I miss the "by your command."

In some ways the original show was more appealing. However it was a strait shooter, Baltar betrayed humanity openenly and the cylons were relentless suicided machines.

The new BSG is about character arcs and depth of the story telling. Sure Baltar is bad, but he was duped into betrying humanity and is now being forced to sign orders by his captors. He is no more evil than Ty's wife.

Evil in BSG now is a very solid shade of grey.

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Ellen Tigh should be put up against the wall and shot for treason, by Saul Tigh.

Saul, get a new girlfriend.

EDIT: uh oh...

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I in good concence cannot bring myself to agree with you or that far right wing view. I think what she did is indicitive of her mental condition and overall state of mind. It wasn't her fault that she "consorted" with the "legal" occupational forces to try and capture and or kill the murdering blood thirsty memebers of the insurgence.

What Tigh's wife did was not really her fault. She has a mental issue that makes her easily manipulated by men in power. She is a victim of her own illness and therefore is not responsible for her own actions. She is driven to her acts, acts that can be viewed by some as traitorus or ****ty, not because she is an evil women, but because she is a very sick women trying to survive extrodanryly difficult times. If anything the illegal insurgents should embrace her and try to help heal her rather than kill her. Afterall she was only in all honesty working for the lagitimate government of the colonial people. They did surrender to the cylons afterall and agreed to accept their help by accepting their help.

No Tigh's wife is not to blame here, she is inocent and deserves our love not our disdain. Let us not forget that the colonial population surrendered to the Cylon forces and were left to rot there by the cowering Adama.

If anything, the insurgents should line that cut and run cowered Adama and all those who followed his orders against the wall and shoot them!

Furthermore the insurgents are causing the situation on the planet by killing the inocent cylons who are there only to try and help them find God. While God has no place in government, belief in him does serve a purpose, pacification. I mean a happy population is a productive one.

The cylons are the government now and the people of new Caprica are endebted to them for coming along and saving them from a life of hardship and destitution. The cylons are the hero's in this story, not the murding SOB's of the insurgency!

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Nicely played.

People should be held accountable for their own actions.
That's what Admiral Kane enforced on her ship, and it ran with military precision.

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I find the show edgy. Who do you trust? Hardly anyone. Who you trust today may be tomorrow's enemy. Even the cylons are starting to distrust each other. Everyone seems to have their own agenda.

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but she's dead now.

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i think that when the writers destroy the pegasus, and they will, it will lesson the show and be seen as a ratings cliff hanger. a gimic to make drama. i don't want the ship destroyed. do something orriginal instead and destry the galactica.

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Battlestar Pegasus doesn't sound the same

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Too bad the Battlestar Ernie didn't survive the initial Cylon attack.
They had the new Protecter class unmanned Pocket fighters...

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the BSG R, Lee Ernie

one tough little ship

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RDM has maintained that destroying the pegasus will only happen if it serves a purpose, and not for shock value and he plans to keep Pegasus around for a long time.

Also, everyone that thinks Pegasus will be destroyed because of the original series should remember that Glen Larson had pitched Pegasus' return in the second season (infiltrated with humanoid cylons no less) and then, after the cancellation of 1980, proposed a new series based around Pegasus' escape and search for Galactica &amp; Earth

So I think the Best will survive and what we saw in the prview was a freighter making a suicide run

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I just hope that at some point they opt for a story arc that takes them to a point where they find other colonial ships like the battle barge (Destroyers) or (Battleships) and gives the fleet some real teeth. At least one or two more ships should have statistically been able to escape. Perhaps another fleet of civy ships lead by a smaller escort or destroyer could be descovered. There are a few great story arcs that can be written to take advantage of "finding" other serviving humans.

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I think they're far enough away from the colonies now that any chance of finding another ship will truly be exceptional. Pegasus was explained because she was hunting the basestars hunting galactica. Spoilers and RDM have repeated said that future finds like Pegasus will not happen.

Personally, I'd like a one-off, non-arc episode about another group of survivors returning to the nuclear annihilated colonies and finding something galactica's SAR team may have left behind in case other survivors show up telling them that there are more human survivors.

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I would like to see other survivors as well, but you risk splintering the series. They got back to Anders to bring him into the fold last season, but I think they would be treading old ground.

**SPOILER**





I have seen that there will be a Cylon inside a base-star episode.

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Ya, but new Capricca (sp) is a lot closer to the old colonies than you think. It was discovered during a rescue mission to Capricca. Also if a ship jumps, it can jump a great distance. So anything is possible.