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Phoenix-D June 28th, 2001 03:59 AM

Re: PBW \"newbie game\"
 
Maybe I should have used 3 planet start.. this is kinda slow starting http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

Phoenix-D

Dragonlord June 28th, 2001 04:52 AM

Re: PBW \"newbie game\"
 
Phoenix, yes , that's a good lesson for the next game. Most of my experience with PBW (very limited) comes from my first PBW game in which we are now in turn 9, and we started with 5 planets. That makes the game interesting much faster, got some fast and furious diplomacy going on now.
That game (and my low ranking in it) has also given me ideas about a much better race design...if only I could have used it in our newbie game.. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon9.gif sigh.

You know..we're only in turn 3...we could always start over with 3 or 5 planets each and all agree on a timeperiod so we could play the first 5 turns or so quickly...

Phoenix-D June 28th, 2001 05:11 AM

Re: PBW \"newbie game\"
 
Or I could just start another game and we play that one too http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif I'll do that now, actually, and try not to screw the setup up this time.

Phoenix-D

Baal June 28th, 2001 05:25 AM

Re: PBW \"newbie game\"
 
Personally, I like this one planet start. It has potential of being really exciting.

Dragonlord June 28th, 2001 08:23 AM

Re: PBW \"newbie game\"
 
OK, I just applied for Newbie Practice II.
Now I got to go work on my new and improved Dragon race, get a shipset and upload it to PBW...

Baal June 28th, 2001 07:40 PM

Re: PBW \"newbie game\"
 
So... are we not going to continue the first newbie practice game?

Dragonlord June 28th, 2001 07:50 PM

Re: PBW \"newbie game\"
 
Got my Dragon shipset set up and sent it to PBW. Am ready to rock.


As for our newbie game 1: I wouldn't mind either way (to continue it or not). I am in three PBW games now, and with Newbie II it will be four games. Though two of the 3 games now only take me 5-10 minutes a day, the third one (starting with 5 planets and 20 races) is already taking me over an hour a day. So I'm worried that as we get further ahead in the other PBW games, SE will really occupy my whole day, and I'll be shot by my girlfriend. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

So I guess on second thought all in all I'd prefer cancelling Newbie I and playing quickly through the initial stages of Newbie II. But since we don't have exactly the same players in both games that would be unfair to those left out in Newbie I. Perhaps Phoenix can up the limit on Newbie II to 5-6 players so they can join too...if only Capt. Spoogy sent in his turns faster !

Phoenix-D June 28th, 2001 07:53 PM

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Yeah, for all his impatience before the game, Capt. seems to be rather tardy now http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

In any case, if you need to drop out I can just kick ya and let the AI bungle it's way through the rest of the game. Or you could abandon all your planets, same deal.

Phoenix-D

CaptSpoogy June 28th, 2001 08:17 PM

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SORRY GUYS!

I work 12hr shifts TUE-THUR 7pm-7am, so I don't get home till 7.30am and then sleep for a few hours...

I'll try for two turns now...

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CaptSpoogy June 28th, 2001 08:29 PM

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Starting tomorrow, I'll be able to play an unlimited amount of turns! I promise!

The few hours I'm home I try to get more than 1 turn in, but it keeps having bad turn execution, and then it's not fixed until I'm at work and I can't do anything about there...

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CaptSpoogy June 28th, 2001 08:36 PM

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Aha, I've already played two turns in the Last five minutes, see...but I guess that this game is toast - since everyone went to play in Newbie Practice II...

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Phoenix-D June 28th, 2001 08:38 PM

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Nah. I've in three so far, and am playing all three, soo..

Just make sure to TELL me if you stop playing, so I can tell the system not to wait for you.

Phoenix-D

CaptSpoogy June 28th, 2001 08:41 PM

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I really, really want to play! It's just that turn execution error stopped me from getting multiple turns in before I had to go to work, but tonight is my Last night, so I'll have lots of free time during the weekend (It's a long weekend in Canada, HAPPY CANADA DAY!)

I was getting into my one planet start - I've already colonized another planet!

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CaptSpoogy June 28th, 2001 08:46 PM

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If everyone starts uploading their turns now, I could get in 4-5 turns right now...

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Phoenix-D June 28th, 2001 09:05 PM

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Yeah. but it never works that way http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

Phoenix-D

geoschmo June 28th, 2001 09:49 PM

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
In any case, if you need to drop out I can just kick ya and let the AI bungle it's way through the rest of the game. Or you could abandon all your planets, same deal.

Phoenix-D
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can do what you suggested, but one of the best things about PBW is how quickly you can find a replacment player for someone that has to drop out.

Simply hit the KICK button next to their empire on the game admin screen and your game will go up on the Open Games list with a big red "Replacement player needed" next to it. Once someone applies to join, click on accept and they will get an email with the empire password. Often you can get a replacment in and playing before everyone even knows someone is missing.

Just a suggestion.

George "geoschmo" Perley
Lead Game Administrator http://seiv.pbw.cc



Dragonlord June 29th, 2001 05:34 AM

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I'll hang in there for now, it's not taking much time yet, but maybe in a week or so if playing 4 games at once gets too hectic, I'll drop ot of the one-planet start (newbie I) since that will take longest. I'll let you know if someone needs to take over.

Spoogy, you mentioned your work hours, but what time zone?


Myself, I am on Eastern time, have 24/7 Internet conn, and usually near PC between noon and midnight. So if an email comes in with the next turn I'll hear it and have my next turn uploaded within (usually) 30 minutes.

My major gripe with Sim games is that you can't save your turn. When you start playing your turn, you either finish it and send it in or cancel and start from beginning of turn. That's annoying if your waiting on email from other players about trades/treaties...I usually end up penalizing the tardy eMailers (and ultimately myself) by sending in my turn anyway so I can get back to my solo game vs AI.

Dragonlord June 29th, 2001 05:36 AM

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Hehe, now we got Spoogy hot and ready behind his PC and now Baal is being slow. Maybe he assumed the game got canceled?

Baal June 29th, 2001 05:41 AM

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Sorry My bad. I had to work kind of late today. I'll have mine uploaded in a few minutes.

Baal June 29th, 2001 05:48 AM

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I have this idea. Let's all plan on uploading our games at certain times each day. Let's say before 10:00 am EST and before 10:00 pm EST. So let's all plan. Like say I'm not going to be home in time to make my turn by the 10:00 deadline, I am going to have to upload mine earlier. so that I don't hold everyone up.

Once again sorry about the hang up.

Baal June 29th, 2001 06:11 AM

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I've got my 2400.4 turn uploaded so you guys don't have to wait on me again. See all ya in the morning.

Dragonlord June 29th, 2001 06:28 AM

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10 Am will be hard for me. I would rather have everybody reserve say an hour a day (9 PM to 10 PM EST?) to be at his PC, send in his turn, send in the next turn 10 minutes later, etc.
What I do is have my email program running at all times, and then I play solo SE4. When I hear the little ding dong (you got mail) I save my game, play the PBW turn, upload it, and go back to my solo game. Ensures a fast turnaround on incoming emailed turns.

Baal June 29th, 2001 02:38 PM

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9:00 pm - 10:00 pm EST (7:00 - 8:00) would be fine for me for now I suppose. I may work through to 10:00 though sometimes. How about an hour later? 10:00 pm - 11:00 pm? I never work past 8:00 MST.

CaptSpoogy June 29th, 2001 09:01 PM

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No more work for the weekend, so it looks like I'll be able to get lots of turns in...

Personally, I finding the simultaneous movement is throwing me off a bit, but I think I'm getting more used to it pretty quickly.

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Phoenix-D June 29th, 2001 09:18 PM

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Yeah, it's throwing me off a bit too. OTOH, it does prevent things like: open WP, send in star destroyer, blow star, close WP. You'd have to do it in two turns now, instead of the one-turn instant blow in turn-based mode.

Oh, and on the timeframes: sorry to throw a wrench in the works guys, but we'd have to it on a day-by-day basis. I can't plot out a set time I can be there every day. Probably should take that to the game forum, as well.

Phoenix-D

Dragonlord June 29th, 2001 09:23 PM

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Hey we're doing well on the newbie games today. Across the two newbie games I got in 3 turns within an hour.

As for timeframes. I'm here in the afternoons, but can dedicate more time to gaming in the evening/night. (less distractions). But since Phoenix doesn't have a fixed time window per day that he's available, the point is moot I guess.

CaptSpoogy June 29th, 2001 09:43 PM

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This seems to be progressing fairly quickly now. Of course, this is just a shameless post as I could claim it to be #27000 on the board!

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Baal June 29th, 2001 09:52 PM

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I'm glad I started to play all my games in SiMov mode, it acclimated me to the format.

Indeed, it is moving quite fast now.

CaptSpoogy June 30th, 2001 12:51 AM

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The Terran Federation has just encountered their first alien race. Unfortunately their a neutral empire of violent renegades.

Perhaps, they can learn of alternatives to their violent and savage ways and established peaceful relations with me...

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Baal June 30th, 2001 01:18 AM

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Well, that's bad for the rest of us. Someone is soon to have a slave race. I'm going to have to work harder to find a little slave race to call my own now.

CaptSpoogy June 30th, 2001 01:24 AM

Re: PBW \"newbie game\"
 
I'm trying to role-play somewhat and I don't really want to ensalve them, although I fear that conflict will be inevitable.

Check the game forum, I'm doing a little role-playing there...

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Phoenix-D June 30th, 2001 04:38 AM

Re: PBW \"newbie game\"
 
Heh, my starting position (and the surronding areas) play perfectly to my RP and my race.. now only if I could find planets worth a damn http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

Phoenix-D

Baal June 30th, 2001 05:42 AM

Re: PBW \"newbie game\"
 
I Kind of have to laugh. You are finding planets at all? I'm not so lucky as you Phoenix-D.

Dragonlord June 30th, 2001 07:28 AM

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I'm doing OK. Since my score has been on 1st place for a couple of turns now, I can maybe divulge some classified empire info. So far I have 6 planets, 3 of them breathable. Only one way into my systems. Have found no other species yet. Am kinda worried that on this map, each human player started in one corner and everything links up through one or two central systems where we'll have a huge war in 30 or 40 turns.. then it comes down to skillful diplomacy, getting an ally to crush the other two and then slug it out with former ally for final domination of galaxy.

Hmm...anyone interested in being my ally so we can rid the galaxy of all others so we can give each other our "undivided" attention ? :-) Email me...

PS I am glad we got in 9 (!) turns today, sorry I couldnt always guarantee my 30 minute turnaround promise, had to watch a movie with girlfriend, and spent over an hour on another PBW game turn.

Phoenix-D June 30th, 2001 07:45 AM

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You have THREE breathables?!

I've found one in the entire map I've explored! And it's way the heck out there, to boot.

Guess I picked the wrong atmosphere for this race..

EDIT: Oh, and to add insult to injury: I have 3 breathable huge GAS GIANTS nearby. I can't use them, don't have the tech yet. Doh.

Phoenix-D

[This message has been edited by Phoenix-D (edited 30 June 2001).]

CaptSpoogy June 30th, 2001 08:09 AM

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Crap...It sounds like you're both off to a decent start...this could mean trouble for the peaceloving Terran Federation...I'm glad I'm not the only one up at this time...

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CaptSpoogy June 30th, 2001 08:13 AM

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I just completed my turn - aargh! I'm in 7th place!

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Phoenix-D June 30th, 2001 08:32 AM

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And I thought *I* was doing bad- you're behind the neutrals! Bad start?

Phoenix-D

CaptSpoogy June 30th, 2001 08:34 AM

Re: PBW \"newbie game\"
 
I don't know what it is - I have 5 planets and several ships. Oh well, maybe things will get better...I don't think I'm that far behind.

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Dragonlord June 30th, 2001 09:13 AM

Re: PBW \"newbie game\"
 
Well, let me tell you some more. All the systems I found so far are in one straight line connected. (hope none of you are ancient race else you'll know where I am).
I colonised all there was in my home system and the next one. Then I get 2 empty systems, then a juicy one with 3 more breathable planets. So I'm constructing a deep-space colonisation fleet to go grab that system. Problems: it will take me 6 turns to get there. And I can't afford the maintenance on the fleet, all my planets are crap for minerals. Plus there's 2 more wormholes (unexplored) leading to the juicy system...so I hope none of you beats me to it. Just in case I am delaying my fleet send-off one turn so I can arm them to their teeth http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

Baal June 30th, 2001 03:23 PM

Re: PBW \"newbie game\"
 
My Jealousy of your starting position is overwhelming Dragonlord. I only have 4 planets. They are all good though.

CaptSpoogy June 30th, 2001 06:10 PM

Re: PBW \"newbie game\"
 
It looks like most of you are out for blood. That probably means that I'll be in lots of trouble early and often.

I still think I'm doing alright though, considering this is my first pbw game. Well, you live and learn (or perhaps here I should say "die and learn")...

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Dragonlord June 30th, 2001 08:05 PM

Re: PBW \"newbie game\"
 
Whoops, looks like I made another newbie mistake. I had colonised a breathable planet in my second system. Could build 10 facilities, built 4 research centers and a space yard. NOW I find out that spaceports are needed not only for resources but also for research points http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon9.gif So that probably puts me behind you guys on the research curve.
In an attempt to reduce the huge maintenance cost on the fleet I am now constructing (4 colonizers and supporting escorts) I have sent out two destroyers with remote mining equipment to some high-mineral planets. They're nice huge gas planets, but I don't think I'll get gas colonisation anytime soon so too bad for the depletion of minerals I'm causing now on those planets.

Phoenix-D June 30th, 2001 08:21 PM

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I don't have THAT problem Dragon..Nautral Merchants rocks http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif A bit expensive for what it gives you, but I like it anyway.

Phoenix-D

CaptSpoogy June 30th, 2001 08:23 PM

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Listening to Dragonlord's reportoire of ships and planets makes me nervous...

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Baal June 30th, 2001 08:25 PM

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Sorry guys but I have to work for the next 7 hours so don't expect the game to move very fast today.

Just thought that I would warn you.

CaptSpoogy June 30th, 2001 08:35 PM

Re: PBW \"newbie game\"
 
WORK?

What? You're going to work? Why don't you just take the day off? Huh? There are people here with no lives that expect to play for the entire day. Are you going to let them suffer just so you can earn money? What are you going to use the money for, huh? Food and shelter? Give me a break.

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CaptSpoogy June 30th, 2001 08:44 PM

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You think I'm joking? - I'M AS SERIOUS AS A HEART ATTACK.

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Dragonlord June 30th, 2001 08:56 PM

Re: PBW \"newbie game\"
 
Actually it makes me feel less guilty that Baal has to work, cause I can't play much for the next few hours either. My girlfriend does not work on weekends so we are going to the pool, and to the movies tonight. When I get back I expect to spend an hour at least on a turn in Letharg's PBW game (it's hard to keep track of what Messages / treaties etc. you are negotiating with 10 humans and 10 AI's !!) , then I'll be available say around midnight EST for multiple turns in the newbie game(s). Last night I saw that three of us were up until pretty late, so I hope we can get some turns in this night.

Baal July 1st, 2001 04:45 AM

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You are funny as hell, Spoogy, when you are desperate to play. I'll be upping my turn soon.


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