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Lazy_Perfectionist November 23rd, 2007 11:52 PM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
What about the always hit tag?

If its what allow lit bolts to bypass shields, it's probably whats on the Piercer and Visions Foe. Could use that on other weapons... Probably. Too bad I don't know anything else.

Sombre November 24th, 2007 12:12 AM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
There's no tag to use always hits in modding.

DrPraetorious November 24th, 2007 12:29 AM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
Such a tag exists for spells (it's in the #spec field), but not for weapons, at least not AFAIK.

Twan December 7th, 2007 12:29 PM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
Has the dom 3 progress page location changed ? (tried 2 or 3 times in the last week, the ulm.illwinter page linked in the shortlist is down, or not work for me at least, as all ulm.illwinter site it seems).

Kristoffer O December 7th, 2007 01:33 PM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
It is my LAN that has broken down. I hope it is about to come back.

The vanishing scales are probably fixed.
Scouts and spies without leadership have recieved increased and differentiated stealth values.

A new LA nation will appear as well.

llamabeast December 7th, 2007 01:48 PM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
A new LA nation?! Wow Kristoffer, how do you do it? You're a machine.

Right, time for guessing what they are I suppose. What were these Gish/Gath or whatever they were things which were meant to have a slot?

Kristoffer O December 7th, 2007 02:13 PM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
Actually this nation is not made by me. The graphics are made by the Illwinter interm Gabriella. She is finished now and the units will be given stats by me the upcoming days.

The nation is a slav-inspired nation under the name Bogarus.
The MA predecessor Vanarus will appear at a later date.

DrPraetorious December 7th, 2007 03:38 PM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
Gath is presumably going to be middle eastern.

I am now triply excited:
a) Patch
b) Russians
c) a girl who does art for videogames? OMG is she hot?

National spells for russians.... they should make stuff out of bone, although death magic pretty well lets you do that already. I'm not sure what summoning a house on chicken feet could do.... hmm...

Panpiper December 7th, 2007 05:17 PM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
Quote:

DrPraetorious said:
a girl who does art for videogames? OMG is she hot?

Err... She does art for video games. By definition she's hot. ;-)

Burnsaber December 7th, 2007 05:52 PM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
Guys, no offense. But;

http://xkcd.com/322/

Panpiper December 7th, 2007 06:30 PM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
Burnsaber, DrPraetorious was joking. I ran with the joke stipulating that nerdy activity defines 'hotness'. In no way does this equate to the two of us asking her for dirty pictures. I feel people should be able to joke about things without being called out for being insufficiently politically correct.

DigitalSin December 7th, 2007 08:13 PM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
Quote:

Burnsaber said:
Guys, no offense. But;

http://xkcd.com/322/


Well said, Burnsaber, well said.

DrPraetorious December 7th, 2007 08:22 PM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
I'm sorry, are you nasty puritans saying that interns can't post sexy pictures of themselves, if they want? Why not make them wear burkhas?

You sexist bastards make me sick.

Lazy_Perfectionist December 7th, 2007 08:36 PM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
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It'll be interesting to see how much I recognize from a slavic-based nation, me being a big fan of myths as child, from many areas. I've read a few of those slavic myths, but my favorite myths have to do with 'meat needs salt' and norse mythology, true to original Aladdin, not the disney variety, and sinbad the sailer. Those are all over the place different cultures and all, but I'm still eager to see some slavic legends.

Foodstamp December 7th, 2007 08:38 PM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
I found a couple of relevant references to this riveting discussion on Women and the Internet;



source 1
source 2

I hope the above links help http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

DigitalSin December 7th, 2007 09:10 PM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
Haha, point taken. Every patch seems like a free expansion!

Sombre December 8th, 2007 12:16 AM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
You just missed a ripe chance to take credit for some poor intern's slavish slav work.

You'll never make it to the big time like this.

Zeldor December 8th, 2007 01:39 AM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
Ha! Mine and borsuk's laziness paid off at last! We wanted to make a slavian nation but decided to wait and let someone else do it for us!

Burnsaber December 8th, 2007 09:16 AM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
I'm sorry to go into a tangent like this, but I can now see how one could see my comment as offensive, and I feel that I need to clarify my previous statement.

I recognize that Dr.P and Panpiper were joking. It wasn't even that much of a politically incorrect joke. It was the type of the joke itself. Even as I'm typing this message, in some forum/IrC channel, this happens:

Person A: reveals that some internet personality is female in RL.
Person B: joke of sexual nature concerning the female personality.

I just find it extremely cliche, lame and overused as joke (along the lines of "knock, knock" - jokes). It happens every freaking time there's a opening for it. It's just not funny for me anymore, and when you remove the funny from jokes like that, they're just incredibly lame. I know, it's supposed to be joke about how internet is composed of horny male teenagers, but when you see the same joke for the thousandht time it stops being clever.

As a closing statement, I agree that the comic descripts a situation of completely different magnitude and perhaps I bit of over-reacted by posting it, but this is just one of my pet-peeves I can't leave to rest. I'm not in any way against Dr.P or Panpiper, just this whole "OMG is she hot?"-joke thing.

But, ehh.. Going back on topic.

Damn that new patch looks good. Just #onebattlespell suddenly makes dozens of different commander types possible. When you put the sprite limit and scale bug fixes on top of that.. I really wish I wouldn't have to go to military service in one month, just stay home and mod/play dom3..

B0rsuk December 8th, 2007 09:35 AM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
Quote:

Zeldor said:
Ha! Mine and borsuk's laziness paid off at last! We wanted to make a slavian nation but decided to wait and let someone else do it for us!

More less. As for me, it's more the fact that very little is known about ancient Slavs' warfare. They were supposed to be able to forge iron weapons, they used shields, spears, axes, bows. Mostly no armor. Proffesional warriors could afford swords and (if I recall) chain mail, but that's it. Without some inventions, it's very boring military. I couldn't think of any way to make military interesting.

Magic side is very interesting, though. I'll be offended if there are less than national summons.

Wait, you mean LA ?

Foodstamp December 9th, 2007 04:27 PM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
Just a heads up, the patch progress report is back up. With some new goodies that has me pretty excited, and I am sure you will be excited as well http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Here is the link :

progress report

Crossing my fingers that unique names for heroes and the ability to create new sites with recruitable units makes its way into the patch http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

DrPraetorious December 9th, 2007 05:01 PM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
I'm gonna guess that forestshape is a shapechanging command that takes effect in forests, for use by Bogarus?

This means that I won't need to pool nations for my megamod, which certainly has me excited, although I will still need to balance them.

WraithLord December 9th, 2007 05:07 PM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
Any idea what the following means?
"Version 3.12 Score graphs from old games will disappear with new version due to added nation nbrs"

Any idea what the new nation nbrs are?- I'm concerned this will break my status client.

Edi December 9th, 2007 05:15 PM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
Quote:

WraithLord said:
Any idea what the following means?
"Version 3.12 Score graphs from old games will disappear with new version due to added nation nbrs"

Any idea what the new nation nbrs are?- I'm concerned this will break my status client.

Probably that it will be impossible to disålay score graphs because the range of nation numbers has been extended. Just how many new numbers we get is unknown, but I'd peg that as the reason.

WraithLord December 9th, 2007 06:20 PM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
In that case no harm is expected to come to my client http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Thanks Edi.

Kristoffer O December 9th, 2007 06:47 PM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
Nation numbers have increased to 94

New nation slots have an effect on the save files, meaning all graphs in ongoing games will be wiped and start anew from the update on.

Twan December 10th, 2007 07:22 AM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
This patch will really be great for modders (in addition to all the limits pushed, even things nobody asked for since dominion 3.0... like complete item modding with new items creation !). Thanks a lot.

Like Foodstamp I think the last missing thing is a way to create non national recruit sites (and/or a command to add/change poptypes eventually), then we can say "all is moddable in dominions". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Edi December 10th, 2007 07:34 AM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
Quote:

Twan said:
This patch will really be great for modders (in addition to all the limits pushed, even things nobody asked for since dominion 3.0... like complete item modding with new items creation !). Thanks a lot.

Like Foodstamp I think the last missing thing is a way to create non national recruit sites (and/or a command to add/change poptypes eventually), then we can say "all is moddable in dominions". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

We might actually get the site recruitables if IW is feeling generous. I hope so. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

The poptype modding would be trickier, since it would involve making previously completely inaccessible things moddable whereas adding recruitables to sites would be a matter of opening already existing (and basically moddable) site functionality by adding #recunit and #reccom for sites

Sombre December 10th, 2007 09:07 AM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
I'm not fussed about the number of nation slots, I just want the description limit increased.

llamabeast December 10th, 2007 09:38 AM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
Well, happily we have both!

Sombre December 10th, 2007 11:19 AM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
Indeed. I just looked at the progress page and there's a LOT of good stuff there. #darkvision is always nice, for instance.

Beorne December 10th, 2007 04:31 PM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
* Dominion sometimes spread in incorrect ways, fixed.

Does this mean the "BHV Dominion Spread" bug?

Edi December 10th, 2007 05:09 PM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
Not necessarily. It refers to the Vanishing Scales bug and GUI Battle Marker on 1st Turn bug. The BHV Dominion Spread bug may be caused by a different mechanic, in which case the patch would not affect it. If it is caused by essentially the same mechanic, then it may be fixed.

lch December 10th, 2007 08:19 PM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
It's probably too late for me to bring this up, but when starting a new game from the command line for a dedicated server there always end up victory points in the map, even if you didn't touch those settings and even if there is no VP victory in the game. Is this supposed to be WAD? Is it possible to turn this off? I'm not that sure if I managed to.

Zeldor December 11th, 2007 02:35 AM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
Any estimated time on that patch? It would be nice to know it for all MP games that are going to start...

Edi December 11th, 2007 03:02 AM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
Quote:

lch said:
It's probably too late for me to bring this up, but when starting a new game from the command line for a dedicated server there always end up victory points in the map, even if you didn't touch those settings and even if there is no VP victory in the game. Is this supposed to be WAD? Is it possible to turn this off? I'm not that sure if I managed to.

Yay, more red flag issues that I only learn about now. Or if this has been common knowledge, either I missed the reports or nobody saw fit to inform me. It's going into the SYS category of bugs, stat.

Foodstamp December 11th, 2007 03:55 AM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
Are you talking about how the random map gen still displays the crowns? I think in non VP games they just generate dominion correct?

Edi December 11th, 2007 04:59 AM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
Yes, in non-VP games they are free, immobile prophets. That's still a bug. If no VPs are specified, they should not appear.

lch December 11th, 2007 08:29 AM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
Quote:

Edi said:
Yay, more red flag issues that I only learn about now. Or if this has been common knowledge, either I missed the reports or nobody saw fit to inform me. It's going into the SYS category of bugs, stat.

I've been reporting this at least once on the forums, might even have been up to three times now. But good that it's added now, at least. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Endoperez December 11th, 2007 11:02 AM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
As far as what there is to be excited about...

* Forest shape

I take this is like the Siren ability to automatically change forms between land/sea? Well, it's nice and all, but VERY, VERY annoying for modders because they can't use it in their mods. Not that I'm doing a forest-themed mod at the moment, nosiree, not at all. I wouldn't even think of requesting features spesifically for my mod, at all. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

Any way, this could play out in so many ways. Basic troops that have higher defense in forests? Cavalry that has lower stats in forests? Units that are sacred, but only in forests? Any special ability is interesting if you have to take terrain into account... What about one-use, one-shot ranged weapons called "ambush"? So many ideas...

SlipperyJim December 11th, 2007 12:21 PM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
Quote:

Sombre said:
Indeed. I just looked at the progress page and there's a LOT of good stuff there. #darkvision is always nice, for instance.

I'm quite eagerly anticipating #darkvision. Right now, my current mod is copystatting Agarthan Cave Captains to get darkvision. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Panpiper December 11th, 2007 01:57 PM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
I want to create a magic 'torch' item that can help counter the effects of darkness. Something that confers say, a darkvision 50 to all units in a small area around the item carrier. I have no idea if it will be possible with the new mod functions, but it might well be. It's a reasonable item that can help fight the otherwise utterly devastating effect of darkness upon some races.

Sombre December 11th, 2007 02:06 PM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
I doubt the new mod commands would allow that.

vfb December 11th, 2007 08:38 PM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
Well, there's always the Forbidden Light, it'll take care of Darkness on an army-wide scale. Better have good MR though, and something godly to wield it.

Darkvision on items would cool idea for another misc eye though, I think. Rip out yer eyeball and plug in the Eye of Night Vision, get 50% darkvision, but lose precision as normal for a missing eye.

SlipperyJim December 11th, 2007 10:45 PM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
Ears of Elvenkind
Cursed -- cannot be removed
Grants wearer 100% nightvision and immunity to all sleep & charm spells
Also makes wearer into a prancing twit http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
Construction 4; N3S1 to forge

Morkilus January 4th, 2008 01:32 PM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
Anybody else have trouble looking at the progress page? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Endoperez January 4th, 2008 01:36 PM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
Yeah, it's been down for some time.

NTJedi January 5th, 2008 05:50 AM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
Quote:

Endoperez said:
Yeah, it's been down for some time.

True... progress page is down. Maybe Illwinter is secretly fixing some of the MAJOR bugs from the bug thread! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Endoperez January 5th, 2008 12:41 PM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
They'd just not update the progress page, then. It's more likely that they forgot to pay some server bill. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Edi January 10th, 2008 06:32 PM

Re: Anyone else excited about the next patch?
 
It's probably down due to them being off on the Christmas/New Year holidays and all (or some) of their stuff being switched off. The progress page would be down in that case due to where it resides.


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