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Also the iraqis have requested various vehicles

Abrams tanks and various logistical vehicles
http://www.dsca.osd.mil/PressRelease...Iraq_08-98.pdf

LAV-25s, LAV variants etc
http://www.dsca.osd.mil/PressRelease...Iraq_08-35.pdf

Light attack helicopters (AH-6J or equivalent) and their weapons
http://www.dsca.osd.mil/PressRelease...Iraq_08-95.pdf

Additional M1117s and MK19 40mm AGL
http://www.dsca.osd.mil/PressRelease...Iraq_08-86.pdf

Night vision equipment and assorted stuff
http://www.dsca.osd.mil/PressRelease...Iraq_08-44.pdf

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Some suggestions for the next update

Unit 25 T-62A
It should have its final availability date extended to 4/103.
I had already documented the absence of LRF fitted T-62s in iraqi service previously in this thread.

Unit 26 T-62M
As I noted it might have existed as a prototype or limited batch production only. I would suggest X3 radio code.

Unit 434 Republic Guards
The RPD in the second slot should be changed to a PKM and the RPG-16 should be replaced with an RPG-7.
The RPG-16D was a relatively rare weapon in iraqi service that should be available as separate AT team and in the special forces but not for general issue even to the guards units. And the RPD was obsolete by 2000 and there were more modern machine guns available, at least for the republican guard (PKM and RPK).

Units 432-433-434 should have the same start and end date, 1/87-4/103. It is not like the RG switched from RPG-7 to RPG-18
in 1991. Both weapons were used concurrently.

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Unit 400, 401, 402 and 403 Weapons Team
While the 1941 iraqi army may still have retained separate LMG teams in the rifle platoons
this typically 30's practice did not survive after WW2.
Neither the british advisors which oversaw the reconstruction of the iraqi army postwar
nor the soviet ones which took over after the 1958 coup had separate LMGs team as doctrine.
To the extent the iraqi platoons structure is mentioned in the available literature they are described as
having standard squads.

http://orbat.com/site/history/histor...qarmy1941.html
http://members.tripod.com/collinsj/i...tions_1990.htm
US Army Iraq Country Handbook
In addition I have asked around in various forums including ones specialized in arab israeli wars.
The answer was always the same: the LMGs were kept in the squad after WW2.

The weapons teams should thus be deleted from formations 45-46-50-51 while the units thmeselves
might be kept around, as they are used in various scenarios. They could be renationalized to make them unavailable for purchase
or be made available for purchase in a specialized formation only.

This of course means that the rifle sections, units 410-411-412-413-414
and the Motor sections units 420-421-422-423-424 would have to be either modified
or renationalized and replaced with new units. More on this later.

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As noted previously the elimination of the weapons squad would make necessary some restructuring in the infantry and motorized infantry to incorporate the support weapons currently kept in the weapons teams.

Unit 420 Motor Section
I think that it is reasonable to assume that the few units which could be mechanized with the limited number of soviet supplied APCs in that timeframe (a few tens of BTR-152s and such)
would get the best infantry weapons made available by the soviet advisors.
In the late 50's that would be SKS carabines (which are still found in Iraq), probably RPD as LMG and RPG-2.
Therefore I suggest the followin change
1) start date 2/59 to go in with the BTR-152 start date and about mid 60's as end date.
2) Rearming with
-first slot weapon n.4 SKS
-second slot weapon n.11 RPD
-third slotweapon n.16 RPG-2
-fourth slot, grenades.

Unit 421 Motor Section
It should be used to represent the introduction in service of the AK-47 and RPG-7.
1) start date mid late 60's, final date 4/103.
2) Rearming with
-first slot AK-47
-second slot weapon n.12 RPK lmg
-third slot RPG-7
-fourth slot, grenades

Unit 422 Motor Section
A variation of the above
Start date around 1970, 4/103 as final date.
-second slot PKM instead of DPM as LMG (obsolete by then)
-third slot RPG-7
-fourth slot, grenades


Unit 423 Motor Section
It should be a clone of the above but with 1/2005 as start date to represent new iraqi army units and 12/2008 (or some month of 2009)
as end date to represent the final phasing out of the AK-47.

Unit 424 Motor Section
Like the above but with the M16 instead of the AK-47 in the first slot and 7/2007 as start date.

Alternatively some or all of these units could be simply renationalized and new ones created with the described
armament.

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End date would be 12/120 for this one.

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Unit 9: M60A1Rise
Unit 10: M60A3-TTS

I had requested, previously in this thread, an initial availability date set to end 2008. That was in light of a proposed deal for the purchase of a large number of M60 tanks.
So far however no such tanks have been delivered and no further talks have been reported about it. There have also more recently been rumors about a large order of upgraded T-72s but this has quickly turned out to be just a plant by a contractor.
So at this point there are no M60s in iraqi service and no public plans to aquire them. Yet it still cannot be ruled out that some will be aquired at some point.
I suggest the initial availability date to be moved from current 10/2008 to 1/2012 or such and wait and see what happens.

In the meantime Iraq is purchasing a few more vanilla T-72M/M1
and crew training for Abrams tanks has begun.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...or-Iraq-05013/

Some have noted that it is likely that in addition to the 140-280Abrams already ordered more will be loaned from the US Army as US forces in Iraq are reduced (that would also explain a reduced interest for gap filler vehicles like the M60).

Unit 608: M1A1 Abrams

In light of the above and following info I would suggest initial availability date to be anticipated to 1/2011 from current 1/2012.

http://www.longwarjournal.org/multim...-Equipment.pdf

According to this the newly built Abrams could be delivered as early as late 2010 and the loaned ones (if that goes on) would available soon too. So beginning of 2011 should be prudent for the moment.

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Unit 29: T-72A
Start date is currently 1/75. It should be postponed to 1/79 at the earliest. SIPRI lists 1979 and it is my understanding from tanknet that T-72s would not have been made available by the USSR to third world clients before that year.

Unit 43: ZSU-23-4
Unit 45: ZSU-23-4M

There are some issues with dates. Unit 43 ends at 12/100 and unit 45 begins at 1/93. In reality no ZSU-23 were delivered after the embargo and I am not aware of any upgrade progam carried out during the sanction era. I suggest 4/103 as final date for unit 43 and late 80's as start date for unit 45.

Unit 64: YW 531 APC
As with most of the chinese weapons, they were purchased in the 80's. SIPRI lists 1982 as delivery date.

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Unit 215 : M728 CEV
The iraqis have aquired T-72 based BREM engineering vehicles so far. M728 availability date should be pushed further forward as for the M60, or be renationalized and eliminated from purchase list. While some might have been included in a large purchase of surplus M60 that isn’t materializing and the purchase of such a niche vehicle was always a low probability.

Unit 314 and unit 316: OT-64 SKOT
Current initial availability dates are 1965 and 1974. According to SIPRI First units were delivered to Iraq in 1981. As it is now they are available before they are available in the czech OOB, which is rather unlikely.

Unit 348 and unit 573: JSU-122
Current final availability date date are 12/1990 and 12/1991. That is too late for such vehicles. I suggest 12/1984 as final date at the latest. Unit 352 Steyr SK-105 can fill the gap in the formations.

Unit 359: Palmaria
A total of two-three units were delivered (source Gulflink). This would indicate that they were meant for testing and evaluation rather than operational use. I would suggest X3 radio code.

Unit 571: SU-100M
Final availability date is 12/1991. That is too late. I suggest 12/1980 like most of the others SU vehicles or 12/1984.

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Unit 61 : BTR-50PK
Unit 62 : OT-62
Final availability date should be 4/103 instead of current 12/104. Unit 63 Mt-Lb can fill the gap in the formations being of the same class and available since 1/1975 to 12/2020

Unit 66: BMP-1
It is available since 1/1980 in the game. I suggest 1/1975 as initial availability date.
According to SIPRI first units were delivered in 1974-1975. Based on soviet export pattern of such vehicle, 1974-1975 would indeed seem right.

Also a new BMP-1 unit should be made available in the 2005-2020 timeframe, to represent the BMP-1s in service in the new iraqi army. Such BMP should not have the ATGM though.
Source : http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...planned-01512/
http://www.janes.com/articles/Janes-...s-to-Iraq.html
and many others

Unit 231: 45mm AT-Gun
If any were supplied, unlikely but not impossible, they would be used as light infantry guns firing HE mostly, as it usually happened to small antitank guns once they outlived their usefulness in their primary role. I suggest an increase in HE rounds and a decrease in AP/APCR

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Help me out here please, I'm a bit swamped ATM

The Brem you are referring to would that be the "IMR-2MA" in the Ukranian OOB or the "IMR" in the Russian or both or neither and if it's one or the other or both what date was it put in service?

Don

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Just a quick reply.
It is a basic ARV. T-72 chassis, a simple straight dozer blade at the front and others tools to assist repairs and towing. Not a specialized vehicle like IMRs.
More later when I get access to my home computer.

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The vehicle supplied to Iraq is this:

http://www.armyrecognition.com/Russe..._Russia_09.JPG

The source for its supply to Iraq is this (though they are mentioned elsewhere) at page four, with a picture included:

http://www.mnstci.iraq.centcom.mil/Press_Releases/2008/MAR%2008/080327-01%20-%20MNSTC-I%20-%20$14.7%20million%20of%20equipment%20is%20receive d%20by%20the%20Iraqi%20Ministry%20of%20Defence.pdf

Delivery date is listed as March 2008

These vehicles, as noted previously, are recovery/maintenance assets. They have a dozer blade which might be used for obstacle removal, light earth moving etc. but it is primarily meant to assist recovery operations if I understand correctly. They are not dedicated obstacle removal vehicles as the IMR are.

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OK, Thanks

Don

Unit 291: Al-Walid
Current initial availability date is 1/65. SIPRI lists 1980 as delivery date and given iraqi purchase patterns
I think 1980 is more likely.

Unit 294 and Unit 394: FUG-70
Current initial availability date is 1/72. SIPRI lists 1981 as delivery date and again given iraqi purchase patterns
I think 1981 is more likely.

Unit 393: OT-64 R-2u
Like for the others OT-64s discussed previously intial availability date should be changed to 1981.

Unit 602 and 282 : Panhard AML 60
Unit 285: AML-90
Current initial availability date is 1982 for unit 602 and 1990 for unit 282. According to SIPRI the first ones were delivered in
1967 together with the AML-90 (currently available since 1965). I suggest an intial availability date change for all three units, with all three starting in 1967.
The AML-60 are also issued with AP rounds for their guns. Given that it was a 60mm mortar I would doubt
but given how obscure such things are it will take some time to research. For the short term the date change can suffice.

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Units 304 and 326: medium truck.
I suggest an icon change, with current icons changed to 2982 (green) and 2983(desert). These two icons are more similar to the bulk of iraqi trucks (various models of Zil, Ural etc.)

Unit 355: M109A1
It has a couple of problems
1) It mounts a ZPU-2 as secondary weapon. This was almost certainly not the case and none were present in the pictures of
M109 in iraqi service. I suggest to change it with weapon 29
.50 cal M2 AAMG or similar.
2) It is available since 1975. In reality the first ones were captured from Iran in the 80's during the war. I suggest an initial availability date change to 1988 or such.

Unit 358: SO-152
Current initial availability date is 1975. According to SIPRI the first ones were delivered in 1980, like unit 356 SO-122.

In light of the above formation 160 SPA Battery and formation 161SPA Platoon should have their initial availability date changed from 1975 to 1980.

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Unit 643: Ain Jaria 1
I suggest an icon change. Currently it uses a Mastiff MRAP icon which rather different from.
However specific icons are available 4600 (green) and 4603 (desert). Ain Jaria is just the iraqi name for the Dzik APC.


Unit 313: BTR-60P
I suggest it being renationalized or otherwise deleted.
The first BTR-60s were delivered in 1971 according to SIPRI. Version is listed as BTR-60PB.
Asking and reading around it seems that as a policy the early open topped BTR-60 versions were generally retained by the USSR for various support tasks (carrying mortars etc) instead of being handed down to foreign satellite states as might have been expected. The first to be exported were the BTR-60PA/PB versions with armored roofs.
Current Unit 315 BTR-60PK can cover iraqi BTR-60s adequately.

Unit 536: AMX-10P
According to SIPRI the first ones were delivered in 1981-1982 while currently they are available since 1990.
Also at least one hundred were delivered, so it might be made available as general issue APC.
That would entail increasing carrying capacity to 9 and changing class to 25 APC (Track).
Unit 535 BMD-1 can remain as Light Support APC in the formation which uses this class.

Also an armored HMMWV with a MG should be added. Unit 910 lacks armor and unit 324 lacks a machine gun. They are both fine but a third one with both MG and armor should be included.

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Some notes about formations.
According to “The Iraqi Army: Organization and Tactics" US Army National Training Centre and the US Army “Iraq Country Handbook”
The standard iraqi infantry company, at least from the Iran Iraq war to OIF, was composed by:
1) three rifle platoons with three infantry squads each
2) weapons platoon with three 60mm mortars and four MMG/HMG.

This basic structure applied to regular army non mechanized and mechanized infantry as well as to Republican Guard non mechanized infantry.

I suggest formation 24 Rifle Company to be modified along the following lines:
1) One rifle squad in the first slot
2) Three rifle platoons in slots 2-3-4, each with three squads (the weapons squad should be eliminated, as discussed previously).
3) One weapons platoon in slot 5. That could be made up by a couple of machine guns sections, picked from units 100-104 and
three 60mm mortars , picked from units 425-426.

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According to http://www.longwarjournal.org/oob/index.php the new iraqi army infantry company, available since the beginning of 2005 is composed by:
1) Command element
2) Mortar section with two 60mm mortars
3) Four rifle platoons with three squads each

I therefore suggest the introduction of a new infantry company composed by:
1) One rifle squad in slot 1
2) Unit 804 2x60mm Mortars in slot 2
3) Four rifle platoons (with three squads each) in the following slots

Such infantry company would be available in the 1/2005-12/2020 timeframe.


Formation 25 : Rifle Company +
Based on the information contained in the Iraq Country Handbook I suggest it to be modified along the following lines:

1) One rifle squad in the first slot
2) Three rifle platoons in slots 2-3-4, each with three squads.
3) One weapons platoon in slot 5, (four mmg/hmg and three 60mm mortars).
4) a mortar section picked from units 75-79 in slot 6
5) a couple of recoilless (unit 266 or similar) in the following slots.

Essentially it would be structured like formation 24 discussed previously and reinforced with some battalion weapons.
According to the handbook such a formation would be a typical setup for an infantry company deployed in static defense.
Final availability date would be 4/103.

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Unit 283: Jararaca EE-3
Wrong armament : it is currently armed with an autocannon in the first slot, weapon 247 20mm Rh 202 AC,
and weapon 248 12.7mm M2HB BMG. I suggest weapon 248 to be deleted.

Typically it is actually armed 12.7mm MG in an exposed mount or a protected 7,62mm MG or ATGMs
or combination of such weapons, as can be seen in all the pictures of it.

http://www.military-today.com/apc/ee_3_jararaca_l3.jpg
http://www.armyrecognition.com/Ameri...E_3/ee3_01.jpg

Still at least one variant, at least on paper, was indeed armed with a 20mm gun in turret.
I doubt it was actually produced and delivered to Iraq but that is hard to verify, so for the moment the 20mm can be left.
Definitively no bow 12.7mm MG was present though. Weapon 248 could be changed in AAMG version of the PKM machine gun.
That would be eventually useful to arm several iraqi vehicles.


Unit 365: SA-2 Dvina
Suggested changes:
1)Initial availability date should be changed 1/1962 or 1/1963. SIPRI lists 1963 and indeed giving the timing of the coup which paved the way for soviet- iraqi military collaboration SIPRI chronology makes sense. Early 1960 would have been too soon for such a demanding weapon system to be put in iraqi hands.
2)The current icon should be changed to n. 4548.
3)The vision rating should be reduced to zero

In light of the above.
Formation 180: SAM Battery
Availability date should be changed from current 1/1960-6/2003 to 1/1963-4/2003

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Some notes about SAMs

Unit 374: SA-6 Kub
Wrong initial availability date: now it is 1/1970 but it should be 1/1978. The formations which use it are available from 1/1978
and the system was indeed delivered about that date. Final availability date could be restricted to 12/110
(unit 46 Avenger HMMWV is available from 1/2011)

Unit 376: SA-13 Strela-10
Wrong initial availability date: now it is 1/1991 but according to SIPRI the system was delivered in 1985. That seems about right.

Unit 380: SA-9 Strela-1
Wrong initial availability date: now it is 1/1978 but according to SIPRI the system was delivered in 1982.

Unit 379: AMX-30 Roland
Wrong availability dates: now it is 1/1970-12/2004. It should be something like 1/1985-12/1998
According to SIPRI they were delivered in 1985 and in 1970 Roland was still under development anyway
(IOC was 1977-1978 by most sources).
The number these of units delivered was apparently rather low and given the issues with spare parts (not a whole lot of AMX-30
to cannibalize in the iraqi Army) it was probably discarded at some point in the 90’s.
Truck mounted Roland (like unit 381) were much more numerous and sill in active service in 2003 of course.

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Unit 550: BM-13 Katyusha
Wrong initial availability date: currently it is 1/1950. It should be 2/1959, like the initial availability dates of the formations
which use it (formations 245-246-247) .

Unit 553: Impr SP RL
Some suggestions for change:
1) Final availability date be extended to 12/2010 or 12/2020
2) Rearm it with weapon n. 215, 107mm rockets (smaller, easier to conceal and more common in Iraq)

Here is a real world example for inspiration.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/r...f/fbc2.jpg?o=0

Formation 245: SP Rocket Bn
Formation 246: SP Rocket Bty
Final availability date is currently 12/2004. It should be changed to 4/2003. Insurgents rocket launchers were used piecemeal.
Also formation 246 initial availability date should be extended back to 2/1959 from current 1/1960.

Formation 247: SP Rocket Pl
Final availability date is currently 12/2004. It should be changed to 12/2010 or 12/2020

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Sorry I just realized misread my notes on it.Leave it 1978.

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Are there plans to retire Kub (if it is still in IA service)? I would think it can be relatively cheaply upgraded same way as Czech or Polish Kubs, IE better ECM resistance, Western IFF etc...?

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It isn't in service. There are no SAMs in service in the current Iraqi Army, just like there are no artillery pieces beyond 120mm mortars, no ATGMs (and for certain periods in the past, no tanks, no APCs, no armored cars etc.). Something will be fielded at some point but what and when is unknonw.
In game terms that means that would mean new sets of formations for almost everything, often set at speculative dates subject to constant modifications, and revised picklists.
That is a lot of work for the guys in charge, so some units are left as gap fillers in some formations.
In real life at least some seemingly intact SA-6 systems and missiles were captured in 2003, but they were destroyed by the EOD guys. See link:

http://www.defenseimagery.mil/assetD...afa5ed8812cd41

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Marcello

Just one comment here. If the formation start date or end date is correct and the unit start or end dates spill over those limits it's not an issue from a game POV but I can understand it from a "keep it tidy" POV

Also, the Rocket Bty ( formation 246) in this case has a start date 10 months later than the Rocket Pl for the same reason the Bn is later than the Bty becasue it's assumed the larger formations didn't develop the moment the rocket launchers were unloaded.

Don

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Largely true, but they still do show up as upgrade options in campaigns. OK maybe no big deal, but it also helps while going throught the OOB checking what is right and what isn't.
However if you are hard pressed for time leave them alone, they are not a big deal.

Agree about the battalion but in regards to the battery, which was the one I suggested to be modified, I would doubt. Batteries are the basic unit for artillery organizations in general (even if split in platoons in some TOEs) and MRLS are typically used in in numbers anyway. Still no big deal, given it's just a few months.

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Let me know if there was actually anything at all "right" about this OOB when we're done :rolleyes:


Already fixed

Don

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It looks OK for a 1995-1996 research job on a shoestring budget.
Even now decent data on the iraqi army is very hard to come by. I have been collecting the available pieces of info since 2002, my pet project basically.

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Some notes on SP ATGMs

Formation 297: 3 SP ATGM

Suggested changes:
1)Final date should be restricted to 4/2003 (there are others SP ATGM formations available after that anyway, such as n. 185 and n. 186)
2)Initial availability date to be set to 1/1973, which SIPRI lists as the year of delivery for the first ATGM BRDM variant
Based upon what I read about Sagger proliferation 1/1973 seems about right.
3)Another unit to be added, so that this formation has four ATGM BRDMs. According to the "The Iraqi Army: Organization and Tactics" several formations employed antitank variants of BRDMs in groups of four.

Unit 260 and 226: BRDM-2 Malutka
Availability dates should be changed to 1/1973-4/2003 from current 1/1970-12/2004

Unit 261: BRDM-2 Konkurs
Final availability date should be restricted to 4/2003

Unit 228: VCR/TT HOT
According to SIPRI and others sources it was delivered starting around 1979-1981 while currently it is only available since 1985.
Also current final date is 1989, which is somewhat early. It could be extended to 4/2003 or maybe even 12/2010 by using it
as a gap filler in the formations.

Unit 604: M901 ITV
In light of the above its initial availability date could be pushed forward to 1/2011. As noted no such units are currently in service

Unit 288 and 293: BRDM-2
Current inital availability date is 1/1975
Based on several sources its initial availability date should be pushed back somewhat, I suggest 1/1970.

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Some notes on SP mortars

According to SIPRI the first self propelled mortars were delivered in 1983, these were 240mm 2S4 and modified MT-LB.

Formation 170: SP Mortar Bty
Formation 171: SP Mortar Pl
Initial availability date to be changed to 1/1983 from current 1/1975

Unit 220: MT-LB/82
Availability dates should be changed to 1/1983-4/2003 from current 1/1975-4/2020

Unit 221: MT-LB/120
Availability dates should be changed to 1/1983-4/2003 from current 1/1975-12/2020

Unit 223: 2S1-240
Initial availability date should be changed to 1/1983

Unit 222: T-54/160
Initial availability date should be changed to 1/1983 or later

Unit 218: Mortar Truck
Final availability date should be pushed forward to 12/2020, so that it can be used as gap filler in the formations.
I also suggest an icon change to icon n. 2962

Eventually, if you have the time to spare, some M113 based mortar carrier could be added with an availability date of 1/2011or similar. Unit 33 of obat 12 USA could be a good candidate.

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In regards to artillery.
As remarked several times in this thread there has been no artillery in service in the iraqi army since the fall of Saddam in 2003 and probably there won’t be any till some point in 2011. An handful of still usable guns were captured and stored in 2003
but that’s it.
I I believe that the most elegant solution and the one requiring the least work is to make some US artillery organic to the iraqi OOB.
US artillery would and has been used to support iraqi army anyway.

1) Importing from the US OOB unit 90: 155mm Howitzer
Its weapon is already available in the iraqi OOB: weapon 168 155mm M198 FH.
Availability dates would be 5/2003-12/2020.
Chances are some will be left to the iraqi army anyway.

2)Unit 87: 105mm M102 FG
Final availability date to be restricted to 4/2003.

3)Unit 843: 155mm M198 Pl
Initial availability date to be changed to 5/2003 from current 1/2005.

4) Units 840-841-842 to be deleted/renationalized

5) Formation 251: Med Howitzer Bn
Formation 256: Medium Battery
Final availability date to be restricted to 4/2003

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Formation 292 : Inf Bn Sup't Co
I suggest it to be modified by replacing the existing components with the following ones, to represent the nominal allotment of support weapons for an infantry battalion.

1) a rifle section or an AT team
2) formation 225 Mortar Battery
3) formation 156 AA-Gun Platoon
4) formation 205 Inf-AT Section (x 2)
5) formation 320 AGL Platoon

Sources
Iraq Country Handbook
http://www.specialoperations.com/For...q/Mountain.htm

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Formation 33: D/M RGuards Co
According to the "The Iraqi Army: Organization and Tactics" it had a support weapons platoon composed by four MGs and three 60mm mortars, like the regular infantry company.
I suggest deleting the support formations in slots 5 thought 8 and replacing them with one weapons platoon in slot 5. That could be made up by a couple of machine guns sections, picked from units 100-104 and three 60mm mortars , picked from units 425-426.


Formation 42 : Mech Sapper Co
Should be replaced by a mechanized platoon along the lines of formation 118 RG Sapper Pl/M. As it is there is a (poorly organized) mechanized sapper company but not a mechanized sapper platoon for the regular army forces.

Unit 426: 60mm Mortar
It should have its weapon n.2 SKS replaced with weapon n.8 AK47 Rifle
Its final availability date should be extended to 12/2020.

Some notes on the mountain units

Formation 100: Mountain Co
Should have formations in slots 7 (mortar squad) and 8 (Inf-SAM Platoon) deleted

Formation 105: Mountain Pl
Should have one of its two scout sections replaced by a 60mm mortar picked from units 425-426
Source: http://www.specialoperations.com/For...q/Mountain.htm

Some notes on the reserve units

Formation 26: Reserve Company
Final availability date should be restricted to 4/2003
There are no reserve formations in the new iraqi army. All units are active for the time being. Something along the lines of reserves might be organized later on but there is nothing for the moment.

Unit 502 : Reserve Section
Final availability date should be restricted to 4/2003

Formation 46: Reserve Platoon
Final availability date should be restricted to 4/2003
Source: www.longwarjournal.org

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A reconnaissance platoon with six scout vehicles (class 32 ones, like unit 290) should be added
Availability date 1/1960-4/2003

A mechanized versions of the support weapons platoon should be added, composed by:
1) Two APCs
2) 2 MGs sections
3) 3 60mm mortars
Availability date 1/1975-4/2003

Formation 166: SPAA Batallion
Should have its number of units cut back to nine from the current twelve.
Also final availability date should be restricted to 4/2003


Formation 305: Combat Sup't Co
It looks like could be reorganized in a more rational manner
1)Unit 350 in slot 1
2)Formation 1286 in slot 2
3)Formation 1186 in slot 3
4)Formation 1186 in slot 4
Also final availability date should be restricted to 4/2003

Two formations that should be deleted
Formation 310: Bn Weapons Co
Formation 311: Bn Weapons Co
Properly configured formations 290-291-292 make them redundant

Source: "The Iraqi Army: Organization and Tactics"

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Formation 345: ILAV Platoon
I suggest the current units to be deleted and replaced by:
1) Three sapper sections (template unit 440)
2) Three ILAVs

Formation 344: ILAV Company
Unit 1 Motor secction should be replaced by a sapper section(template unit 440).

In the iraqi army ILAVs are issued primarily to the engineer units.

Sources: http://www.longwarjournal.org/multim...page13-TOE.pdf

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archiv...neering_fo.php

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Unit 410-411-412-413-414: Rifle Section.
I had, previously in this thread explained how the current arrangement in the infantry organization is not correct, with the infantry platoon split between rifle sections and weapons teams (units 400-401-402-403). In reality this was not the case and conventional squads arrangements were used. Thus the Rifle sections should be treated in the same way I suggested earlier for the Motor Sections: renationalized (they are used in too many scenarios to modify them) and new squads created incorporating the LMGs and the AT weapons.

Formation 731: Mercenary Co
Formation 730: Mercenary Plt
What are they and their associated units (units 785-786-787-788-789) supposed to represent?
If they are security contractors their armament should be changed. If they are experienced foreign jihadists then they are OK but formation names are misleading.
I suggest renaming them “jihadist band” and “jihadist group” or something similar would be the quickest fix.

Unit 82: 160mm Mortar
Final availability date should be restricted to 4/2003

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Unit 12: Type 69-II
I suggest an icon change to its proper icon n. 1606, like already is for unit 618

Unit 392: MT-Lbu
I suggest icon change to its proper icon n. 3219

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Icon 3219 is an ACRV and a MT-Lbu is not an ACRV.

Don

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Yes and no. From what I have read MT-Lbu is the name of the basic chassis upon which several artillery command & control vehicles (and other variants) are based, ACRVs among them.

See this for example:

"MT-LBu (IV12 series) ACRV M1974"
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/mt-lbu.htm

So indeed not all MT-LBu are ACRVs.
However this unit is a FO and is called MT-LBu, so it is most likely meant to be a MT-LBu based ACRV or similar.
In any event even if it was not an actual ACRV its icon, being that vehicle built on the MT-LBu, is more appropriate than the standard MT-LB.
The iraqis certainly had them:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/24449660@N04/2703322125/

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EDIT:

Good catch on that. I should have dug deeper but I've been busy.

Those vehicles are split about 50/50 in various OOB's as either MT-LBu or ACRV and they are now all MT-LBu and the photos have been corrected to show the correct vehicle

Don

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Marcello

Should I assume then that unit 172 gets the same restrictions which would mean Formation 255 needs to end 4/2003 which would also mean formation 250 has the wrong end date for the opposite reason ?


Don

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I was actually about to write about them.
Formations 250 and 255 can be respectively increased and cut at 4/2003 too. 4/2003 cutoff for unit 172 too.

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Unit 369: Roland
Initial availability date should be moved back to 1/1981 at least

SIPRI lists 1981 and it was officially confirmed by the french government in 2003
“A French Foreign Ministry spokeswoman said Friday that Roland 1 missile systems were sent to Iraq from 1980 to 1981 and Roland 2 systems from 1983 to 1986.”
http://articles.latimes.com/2003/oct...d/fg-missiles5


Unit 525: MT-LB w/ZU-23
A clone of it but with class 22 SP Flak should be made available with 1/1983-4/2003 as availability dates.
Source :http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...d.php?t=128154 (scroll down to the third post for an example)
In any case I have plenty of pictures of them on my hard disk and I can post more if necessary. Apparently they were a rather common sight in the old iraqi army.

EDIT
I almost forgot: unit 392 should have a 4/2003 cutoff too.

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Unit 496: SB7L-360 Seeker
Icon should be changed to its proper n. 51

Unit 123: SA-342K
Final availability date should be restricted to 4/2003

Unit 126: BO-105 PAH 1
Final availability date should be restricted to 4/2003

Unit 926 Mi-17C
It should get some rocket pods, weapons 186 or 205.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...-0620E-771.jpg

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Units 93 and 177: 152mm D1
Wrong picture, current one is that of a ML-20, it should be changed to n. 11566.Final availability date should also be restricted to 12/1991.

A lot of infantry divisions were disbanded after the Gulf War
“The number of regular army divisions was cut from seven armored/mechanised and 20 infantry divisions to two or three armor divisions, three mechanised divisions and 11 infantry divisions.” http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita.../iraq/army.htm
The WW2 soviet vintage artillery pieces were likely flushed out of the system at that point. I haven’t found pictures of them in serviceable state in 2003.

Unit 608: M1A1 Abrams
It looks like the initial availability date should be anticipated further:

“Currently, the first four American tanks are at Besmaya Range Complex, with another 18 to be delivered within the next month. The 22 tanks will be used to train 11 Iraqi tank crews in each of thirteen future 45-day rotations. Iraq has purchased 140 M1A1Abrams tanks, scheduled for delivery in August 2010.”
http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?op...548&Itemid=128

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Sorry, I got it mixed: n.11566 is a D-20, n.36139 should be a D-1

Unit 534 M-60P APC from OOB 41 (Yugoslavia) t should be added as class 32 scout vehicle. Availability dates 1/1985-4/2003.
It could be armed with weapons 52 and 61 (better not to waste increasingly scarce weapons slots on BMGs).

According to “The Iraqi Army: Organization and Tactics” They were used as scouts vehicles. There are also pictures of them in Iraq. Here is one I found on the web some time ago.
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/1726/bmpm60m113.jpg



Also a couple of notes about national ratings
Base experience drops from 60 to 55 at the beginning of 1990. IMHO that should happen after Desert Storm, as the sanctions took their toll restricting the availability of spare parts and others resources necessary for training. Also many experienced leaders left the army in the early 90’s.
I think that the experience drop should take place in 1992 or 1993 and be reversed back to 60 in 2009 or so, as the new iraqi army stabilizes and continues training along western methods.

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With unit 82 160mm Mortar getting a 4/2003 cutoff, as suggested previously, the related units and formations should stop at that date too.
Formations 230-231-232-233 should get a 4/2003 cutoff.

Unit 805 2x120mm Mortars could be deleted/renationalized/changed to something else.

120mm mortars are being organized in batteries of nine tubes.
Source http://www.longwarjournal.org/archiv...y_force_26.php

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OK Marcello but it's time to take a little break from this and wait for the patch to come out. I do not have time to change, adjust and test OOB's and picklists any longer.

Don

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OK, I will let this thread rest for the time being...

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