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And I have given eye losss to an SC after the first hit. So who is right? Shall we fight about it? My eye shield wielding SC vs. your eye shield wielding SC?

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I think that the attack has to miss into the exact range that the eyeshield improves defence by.

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If there's no MR check then any (non-spider etc.) attacker would be blind on the second round. That's easy to check if you're worried about it.

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What about Visions Foe - the blindness causing crossbow - does that have an MR check or just need to hit?

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No MR check on Vision's Foe.

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This is possible and even likely given the description of the eye shield. So is the MR check, but we currently do not know for certain.

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Frost brand is slightly more cost-effective, but i still preffer firebrand. With a dwarven hammer the firebrand is cheap enough, it is AP damage, and *Can* kill skellies and other (really common in this game) undeads.

There are way more cold inmune units than fire inmune ones in the game.

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I fully agree with you Triqui about the effectiveness of brands. Strangely, I always have more water gems to spend than earth gems, not to speak about the fire ones. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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What do the brands actually do? From the description I'd assumed it was normal (or AP) damage to the unit actually hit, and then fire or cold affect to the whole area. I'd originally assumed this was a minor affect, like chance of catching on fire or freezing, but it's actually the main damage.

Is the cold/fire damage the same as the weapon damage? Strength based? That makes little sense to me, but seems to match actual results.

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They use the weapon effects "small area fire", "small are frost" etc. I don't know how powerful those effects are.

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I'm moderately sure that the damage is a constant value that does not depend
on the commander's strength. For some reason, Firebrand seems way more effective
against troops with neither resistance, which makes me believe that the fire damage
is armour piercing while the cold is not.

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My general impression has been that the AoE effect off of those weapons does somewhere in the range of 6-7 damage. Enough to kill a normal human solider, and therefore clear an a single square with three of them in it, with two attacks from the AoE weapon.

Jazzepi

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From the db:

Small Area Fire is a 14 point AP attack. Small Area Cold is a 12 point AP attack.

Interestingly, Ember's Small Area Frost and Fire is a 15 point AP attack with no cold tag, followed by Small Area Fire.
Is this a db error or a bug?

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14 ap fire and 12 ap cold respectively. So fire brand is clearly superior of the two. AP+AP damage, with the second AP being higher than the frost equivalent and less units that are immune to it.

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DB error, it should have the cold tag. Thanks for catching that.

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My pleasure :-)

I agree on the superiority of the brands
 

just recall that there are several small area fires - and without investigating them carefully (for other weapons or effects) it may not be the ap14 version.

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The db disagrees with you there - there may be different weapons with the effect, but they appear to use the same effect each time.

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They all use the same SAF effect, since there is just one of those. Don't believe me, you're free to mod units to have different weapons starting from 1 and going up to 500+ so you can see for yourself, chris.

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Armor of virtue you can put it on a mage have him cloud trapeze and cast wrathful skies. You can do it every turn and kill army after army. In fact I would like to know a counter to it.

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oh, that mage is an air queen.

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That is generally considered a bug exploit. See here:
Here

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> Armor of virtue you can put it on a mage have him cloud trapeze and cast wrathful
> skies. You can do it every turn and kill army after army. In fact I would like to
> know a counter to it.

1. Anti-SC type storm fliers. They won't kill him, but they'll make him leave
before he does any damage. Kited as anti-SC commanders, so that they can land a
blow despite defense/mirror image/protection.

2. Mind spells. Armour of Virtue does not help against Soul Slay, Charm, or
Enslave Mind, for example. (Not that he will be in range for Charm)

3. Mega damage spells - Bane Fire, Gifts from the Sky, etc... If he is casting
Wrathful Skies, he is not casting Mistform or Twist fate.

4. Wish the Armour away, then enjoy killing the bugger.

But seriously, your problem is not with the Armour of Virtue... After all, two
Silver Adepts with ritual of returning can do the same job. (One recasts the
ritual on the turn during which the other wraths the army)