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Re: Silvan: request for extra time for first turn

Three is the best number. So if your gonna fill in a wrong number might as well be 3.

Thanks Llamabeast!

Re: Silvan: request for extra time for first turn

Turn postponed by 24 hours just in case. Which is good, because I forgot to submit my turn as well this morning... ; ) I'll get mine in tonight when I get home from work.

Re: Silvan: request for extra time for first turn

Wow it's getting rather squeezy on Silvan, though not in a cosy squeezy sorta way!

It Burns! Our scouts report a large rabble of Abysians have crushed a force of our elite skinshifters. They will retreat to lick their wounds... the Fire Lords will taste thunder and lightning, yet.

Gods Dammit. I got lazy, I can't believe I staled twice in a row already. Oh well. Nothing left to do but go AI I guess. Damn, and I thought I might have been able to work through this too.

You're gonna go AI....?

In that case, grats on the win Ermor.....

Yes, I cannot see how to stop Ermor if Caelum goes AI...

...and so the feather-wearing chicken-men join the fire lords against us! Although their troops die like mother hens in the coop, they are numerous like rabbits. Perhaps they sacrifice to rabbit gods in their temples.

Woe is Vanheim, unless someone wishes to join with us against these two antagonists!

From the story I'm writing we are in fact the protagonists. As for the feathers, we will pluck more of them from your cowardly glamored warriors.

As for Ermor, you guys throw in the towel way too easily. It is still the early game in my opinion. Ermor is far from invincible.

Er. I've won? Hey, great! I'll ask llamabeast to shut down the game then, and put up a post in the "Hall of Honour" thread.

Oh. Wait... ; )

Maybe it's just a sorry reflection on the state of my kingdom, but Ermor borders me on the east AND the west.

Indeed, no graphs but I see Ermor to the east, west, and (with scout) the south.

I've no idea the actual relative power, but perhaps overexpansion could cause the nation to implode.

I have suddenly become a HUGE fan of having graphs on. It's not like we don't see the threat without them, but I'd like to be able to quantify their lead, to see what the actual state of the game is.

Eh, it only land. You might be more interested in the gem income and research graphs. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Well, perhaps it is "only land". But ultimately, gems and research are not victory conditions. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

PM sent to you, Reverend Zombie. ; )

I just got attacked by Ermor while engaged in a an NAP with them. The truth is that I can't respond because I'm dealing with two other nations. That sort of dishonesty makes me sick to my stomach.

I'm dead in the water and I can't keep up with the pace of this game, so I'm going AI. I have in the past refused to do so and love to fight till the end. However, I just don't want to digest what Ermor has done.

Good luck to all.

Err...what? *Runs off to check the turn.* Well, crap! Misclick, AreaOfEffect, sorry.

That was a sitesearcher. He was *supposed* to be searching the forest province he came from, but I think I accidentally sent him your way instead of a stealthed scout. (Look at the mage's name. I've even renamed him Seeker. ; )

Still, it's a little extreme to go AI without even checking with me first, due to the single attack of a single province with a single mage (which I lost in the 'attack' anyways). I'm not invading you, and I have no intentions of invading you anytime soon. If/when I do, I will honour our NAP and give you three turns' warning, don't worry about that.

Particularly since ReverendZombie *did* violate our NAP by attacking one turn too early, despite clear descriptions in advance from me. The prick. And, I'm currently suffering from a particularly crippling bug, described here.

I may not be playing much longer myself. Dammit, I was enjoying this game too, and then RZ and this bug had to go and ruin it...

I am going to take the liberty of extending this turn by 24 hours while I wait to see if there's any way I can fix the bug.

Mictlan leadership has faltered?!? Vanheim's wholesale destruction of their invading force of chicken-men must have been too much to bear!

...but ooc, if you are going AI - GG! Although it sounds like it was a simple mistake by Ermor.

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IndyPendant said:
Particularly since ReverendZombie *did* violate our NAP by attacking one turn too early, despite clear descriptions in advance from me.

I may not be playing much longer myself. Dammit, I was enjoying this game too, and then RZ and this bug had to go and ruin it...

A NAP is not a suicide pact, and where the fate of our nation or world is under threat by another, must needs be abrogated, in the name of self-defense.

well, if a nap is only a convenience, the terms of which may be ignored unilaterally according to whatever excuse one might come up with. Well then..... Good to know that's how you view your naps RZ.

After a while of meditation and an explanation from IndyPendant, I'm ready once again to get this game on. I've resubmitted my turn and there will be no AI controlling Mictlan so long as I can help it.

In the words of Monty Python, "I'm not dead yet."

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well, if a nap is only a convenience, the terms of which may be ignored unilaterally according to whatever excuse one might come up with. Well then..... Good to know that's how you view your naps RZ.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/yawn.gif

The wise God of Vanheim's strategy of 'divide and conquer' is clearly working! Mmwahahahahahaa!

Yeah We of the fire eagerly await your next failed assault---we do so enjoy killing your shapeshifters http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I would just like everyone to know that I think I have solved the Reanimation bug. So I will not be going AI. --Not that I was going to anyways, when RZ still needs to be destroyed.

I am coming for you, RZ. And I am wroth.

Reverend Zombie has asked that our discussion be posted publicly, so I am doing so now, reformatted for easier reading but otherwise completely unchanged. They can be read in the order they are quoted below.

RZ probably thinks the venom in my final message to him will throw some players off. Or perhaps my stance of going after him in other games if he joins one I'm playing in will do so. He may even be correct. I kept things private because I've learned that my unrepentantly vicious, uncompromising attitude towards treaty violators can keep other players, who have done nothing wrong, from enjoyment of the game. I warn you, the language from me quoted below is harsh. Do not read it if it will ruin the game for you. If you're interested in more details as to why I play this way, read here and here.

And finally, I will try to make this my only post on this subject. I will try to avoid a flamewar as much as possible.

IndyPendant:

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Very well false pretender, war it shall be.

Your message was received by us on Turn 18, but you have not indicated when you intend to attack. We advise you to honour our NAP and wait until Turn 20 to give your misguided minions their orders, so they attack on Turn 21.

If you intend violating our NAP and attacking earlier, a brief perusal of our messages on these forums shall inform you that such an action would have...far-reaching consequences. I do not expect this warning to be necessary, however. If you wished to commit such a vile act, you most likely would not have warned me at all.

We are not greedy, and did not seek this war. But we will finish it. Should you ever wish to seek peace however, contact us--through these messengers here--and we shall consider it based on the harm you will be able to commit to us should we continue fighting. Do not wait too long.

This message was also sent through the limited God-to-Pretender method you seem to prefer.

--Vitae the Glorious, Lord of the Dead.

Reverend Zombie:

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I have half a mind to attack you now for threatening repercussions outside the game.

Guess you'll have to wait and see what happens.

Reverend Zombie:

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I misconstrued the nature of your threat--forgive me for accusing you of threatening a meta-game grudge.

However, I am quite annoyed to have to do research on the forums to figure out your threat, so I am attacking early anyway.

IndyPendant:

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Don't apologize, you worthless, honourless pondscum. You had it right the first time. It was not Arco that violated our NAP, it was Reverend Zombie. It will be IndyPendant who takes revenge as available.

I will now bend every effort, in this game and any other I meet you in, to make sure you lose. Even if I cannot then win the game, if I bring you down with me then I will savour my victory. I strongly suggest you avoid any games I play in the future. Unlike you, I do not make empty promises. If you don't like that, let me quote you: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/yawn.gif.

The particular irony here is that by attacking me one turn too early, you have only sealed your demise, since due to the bug I am suffering from I would have gone AI if you had honoured our NAP and delayed your attack by just. one. more. turn. I do wonder how it feels to reveal yourself unworthy to be the snot blown into a kleenex for so little gain--and harming yourself in the process! Not that a filthy self-serving twit like yourself would admit to any such thing.

This will be my last private communication with you. You are not worth the time or effort.

--IndyPendant.

Reverend Zombie:

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I'd like to post our exchange to the forum; I think it would be informative to others. What do you say?

LOL - that's an amusing exchange. Sounds like it will be a fun war!!

I'm not convinced about your methods, Indy, as it is a wargame and all - but I share your views encouraging 'honourable' play.

Please, please remember that this is just a game. there is no money at stake. We (I?) play this game for fun, nothing more.

Heh. Okay, one more post. ; )

I just wanted to clarify: I'm not awash and drowning in venom or anything like that. Viperish declarations of everlasting disgust aside, I am still having fun. "Fun" for me has just shifted definitions, that's all!

It's a mad

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mad world.

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Indy, do remember that NAPs aren't in any way enforced or universally agreed to be binding in Dominions games, and in fact there is no general rule that they have to be followed. Some players have a policy of always sticking to them. Others believe in role-playing, and stick to them when they feel it is in character for their nation/pretender. Since no general policy has been decided on anywhere, there has to be a limit to how annoyed you can get at someone for breaking an NAP. Personally, although I haven't broken any NAPs myself, I think it's quite reasonable to do so. After all, in real life, "binding" treaties have been broken by nations very often.

If, on the other hand, a game was started which stated explicitly in the first post that NAPs must not be broken in that game and players agreed to that when joining the game - well, in that case, you would be entitled to be very annoyed with a player who broke an NAP. But that is not the case here.

Finally, your metagaming threats of carrying the grudge to other games, and your general approach to the situation, are very unpleasant to my mind. Personally I would argue that inter-game threats are completely unacceptable. If you are angry in a game (or rather, feel that your god would be angry), feel free to go crazy in that particular game. But it makes no sense for a different god in a different world to be angry as well. However, I will not weigh in on the argument any further, since it has been done to death before.

Vanheim has waited for an opportune time, and have finally enacted swift and sweet vengence on the maurauding Abysian forces.

This is surely a sign of things to come!

<font color="red"> Hmmm interesting take....as that spot was mine to begin with before you attacked it--but your pathetic god is about to bite the dust. As you started this war, Im gonna finish it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Prepare for a nasty surprise(well hopefully itll be nasty for you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif )</font>

Never fear, Lovalovers - we will not fall easily, as we have a few nasty surprises of our own!

Wokeye, I was hoping that given your "Tim the Wizard" avatar you would say something like:
"So, brave Lavalovers, if you do doubt your courage or your strength, come no further, for death awaits you all with nasty, big, pointy teeth."

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I just need your peeps to come a little closer......I have matches for your victory cigars......

Oh I love quick host. All my other games seem to be made out of molasses, suddenly Silvan is hosting twice a day. Are you all in my other games too, and suddenly full of time for Silvan? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Damn, I staled again. I am sorry to say Its going a little too fast for me.

Surely a fair request by this point in the game.

Err, staled 'again'? Damn Cor2, I wish you'd spoken up earlier. I didn't notice the first one, and I would have been more than willing to switch to 48-hours. Doing so starting this turn.

This coming weekend, I'm going to move it to 72-hour quickhost for the next week, for that trip I mentioned in my original post. Then we'll stick to 48-hour for a while.

This game is interesting! Everyone's paired off into four separate wars, and no one's been having an easy time of it!

Well, Caelum is about finished, finally.

Some insane person left them AI with like 400 birds, and 2 provinces set at 50-60 or more PD..... Definitely more painful than the scholarly O'R'lyeh'ns had expected to deal with. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

We are busily trying to contact Boyd the Void Android. If we can, his plasma beams and death rays will make a quick finish to this game. >.> Unfortunately, the legends of his existence are spotty, at best.....

No prob. I didn't expect to stale again, but I did.

Abysia approaches the Vanheim capital with 300 troops... time to party like there's no tomorrow!

Just looking for a lost dog .....think he might be in that castle over there....maybe they'll let us in ??

Xanatos will be subbing for me for a week or so...off for some relaxation.

Welcome, Xanatos! Changing the email now.

And we'll be moving to a 72-hour quickhost now, for the next week. I'll try to get my turns in sooner than that, but...no promises. Vacation, and all that. ; )

Hmm, it turns out I didn't need the 72-hour quickhost after all. There was internet everywhere! Still, it was good to have no pressure during my vacation.

It's over now except for the drive home, so we will be going back to a 48-hour quickhost schedule once this current turn is completed.

The Vans have drunk all their mead - it is time to conquer new lands.

We hereby declare our intention to attack Emror in three turns. Be ready, undead masters! We want a fight!