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Well I don't know about getting that many turns done. I'll be gone most of the day Sunday, so probably only one or two turns for me.

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could everyone pleez double check and ensure their pretenders were created with CBM off?

invariably, every non-CBM game has someone who makes their pretender with it on; and its usually me. I double checked and know I had it off this time. But if anyone else is involved in any CBM games (since they will turn it on automatically when you do turns in them), make sure your pretender was made with it off please.

having to reset a game and resend pretenders over such an issue will delay start by a day or more; its very annoying. take a moment and ensure your pretender is kosher.

of course, of someone accidently does this anyway, we won't hate you. you'll just be the ***-hole for a day http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif that's usually me too, apparently, so I'll appreciate you for relieving me of the image.

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Pretender sent.

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thanks calahan.

I've sent the last remaining player a PM; hopefully we're off the ground soon here.

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it's been almost 72 hours since StrictlyRockers, the last remaining player, has logged into the forums and posted.

he knows we're starting soon, yet hasn't mentioned he was going to be away. I can understand if someone is away, but as a game is trying to get started and during its early stages, its polite to let people know you won't be around at a certain time period. I say this especially because a game that goes slowly at this point will lose people's interest; that "hot and bothered" feeling (yes, I get h&b over games, i'm a strange guy). I've seen people slip out of a game half-heartedly because they lost interest because it moved so slow in the early stage; and I don't want that to happen here. I don't mind waiting, but its nice to know we're waiting for a good reason.

Strictly, please don't look at this too harshly; hell, if you live in Berkley, you probably have a hell of a fun life and lots of better things to be doing. Thus I don't hold it against you for not checking in regularly. Also, I'm not abandoning you yet, but its not fair to hold up the game for one person. Please get your pretender in ASAP so we can get started.

If Strictly doesn't get in by say tommorow night, would people be OK with starting without him? It'd be a game of 9 players then. We also have the option of picking up someone who asked to join after we were full. However that would delay the game a little more; which is what I want to avoid.

Hell, I need to put a notice an the organizing post that if you don't have your pretender in within a certain time-period after the uploading starts, you get left out or something. I understand that people have other issues or maybe an actual life, but its just not polite considering there are several people involved here.

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I would really like to play. If I knew you could delete/remove a pretender easily, I'd just send one now, but I'll wait for permission first.

I have a pretender for Man ready to upload when you are ready. I don't know if you have room for me without rockers dropping out. Let me know http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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i don't have a problem starting sun nite. while you didn't post a deadline, i had the sense we were getting started this weekend and i thought Strictly posted somewhere he was anxious to get started. next time prob best to set a deadline to be clear.

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Anticipatient, if you want send your pretender directly to me (llamabeast[at]...) then, depending on SR's appearance and Omnirizon's decision, I can use it or not.

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DC,

thats why I feel uneasy about dropping him. I had just announced we were close to full and about to start, and he posts saying how excited he is about starting. that was four days ago, now everyone but him has uploaded, and he hasn't been hear from since.

this is the first game I've organized and I didn't think to post a deadline. For that matter I didn't think to post a turn cycle or rules on staling either; I'll have to try and reach a consensus on them during the first turn or two. I also need to have a big wooden sign hanging down on my computer desk that reads "Murphy's Law" to remind me to mind these issues.

llamabeast,
would you start the game with anticipatient's pretender last thing before you hit the hay tonight? That'll give SR some time today to get here. If doesn't make it by then, then he's really had quite a bit of time.

and everyone,
is 48 hours the first turn (to make sure everyone is OK) and 24 hours for the first twenty turns OK with everyone? after that we can discuss 48 hour turns and higher. If anyone ever needs more time or a pause of game; just ask. If anyone stales twice in a row, they're out.

-Omni

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Souns liks a plan http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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works for me

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All right with me

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Roger Dodger

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I'll upload the pretender straight away.

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cool.

we're full.

does the game start automatically once the last person has uploaded? or will llama have to start it?

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I think Llama will start it. Yeah, I loaded my MAN pretender. I hope it was the right one http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Yay Start please! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I think its a little rude if someone misses the start, but if they cannot help it then no hard feelings and they can find another game. Starting soon is good for me.

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OK. I changed to MA Ermor.. I don't think I can handle MA man. They really aren't that strong, I think... I like them, but they are not strong.

One problem: I don't know if llamaserver will let one email address play two nations, SO I don't know if it will overwrite my MAN pretender or not. I will send llama a message.

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OK game is full. If I can coordinate with Llama, I will change to ermor. Otherwise, I will be playing Man!

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Right, I think we are all sorted, but I have to go to work now. I'll start the game this evening.

This will allow a critical buildup of suspense. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Apologies all, I had a much busier evening than expected, and now just have to go to bed. I will start the game tomorrow for sure. Sorry for the further suspense!

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You'll never hear a complaint about you from me, Llama. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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OMG, I am so sorry. I forgot I was going on a camping trip all weekend in the mountains. I just got back and I am sending in my pretender now. I know, my bad. If you guys start without me, I won't whine about it. I didn't mean to hold the game up.

I hope I can play though, I really wanted to play in this one. This is my only real game atm. So, I'm off to make a pretender, and good luck in thisi game if I didn't get it in on time.

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Cool, hopefully we can get Rockin' now http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

If I'm one too many now that SR is here, I'll bow out, but I'd still like to play if it's cool with you Omni.

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OMMfG. OK. no. I'm sorry Strictly. We can only take one of you, and we are going to stick with anticipatient. We are so far behind schedule right now. anticipatient. get your mother****ing new pretender to llama NOW!!! This game better be live tommorow.

unless llama gets busy again that is. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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anticipatient already got his pretender to me, so that is fine.

Cradle is a big map. You could squeeze 11 players on if you wanted to. Entirely your call.

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What I will do is start it as soon as I can (early this evening UK time) regardless. If I have SR's pretender and Omni's approval, then I'll start it with all 11 players. If either the pretender or the approval don't arrive in time I'll start it with just the 10 (including anticipatient).

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thanks for your service llama.

I'm going to stick with 10 players on this one; for three reasons.

one is that adding an extra land player starts giving our single water nation too much advantage.

two is that there is another game just staring signups. it is an LA CBM game called corruption. It, literally, just started recruiting, so Strictly should be able to get in there.

three is that the map is only rated max ten players; and while I've heard as many as twelve playing on it successfully, I actually want to limit game length a little, and I think fewer players is good in that regard.

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Sloth was 21 players on Cradle. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif That was absolutely fine. Certainly 10 is not many on Cradle. However, I respect your decision and will use only anti's pretender.

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21 players! good lord. that would be cramped; fun perhaps, but cramped.

but yeah, i'd rather stick with fewer players this time around.



hmmm... i want to try one of these super cramped map games sometime though. not twenty-one on cradle though, but something like ten on silent seas.

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Game started! Hopefully all is as it should be.

Have a fun game!

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well starting positions are nothing less than goofy. if this were standard victory they would be absolutely dubious. however, since it is capturing caps, the knot of players in the north and center may not at the huge disadvantage too the players all by themselves in the southern and eastern corners.

the players off by themselves have lots of land easily available to them, but all those players close to each other have the capitals easily available. Kind of hard to say to say whos really at the advantageous postion.

what's everybody think?

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I think let's play and see !! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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No problem. I understand the host's decision on this.

Have fun you guys!!

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i agree kheldron. lets just play.

though i cant help trying to speculate on how it might work out. there are enough factors though that I think it could go anyway very easily. Plus diplomacy has that tendency to be the great equalizer. Any inherent advantage is balanced out by the diplomatic disadvantage that player will have to face from a map of wary players.

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Alpaca had somewhat goofy start positions on Cradle as well (also with 10 players), but ended up being a really good game.

The best way round this issue is to hand-place starting positions, but that's actually really quite hard work. Generally games with goofy start positions end up being very fun regardless.

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well fun is most important. and I think it looks like this will be a fun game.

now lets all declare war on that guy in province 195. corner postion and closest player is like 9 steps away. it will be mid game before anyone can reach him, but he better watch out when we do.

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Fun is good http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I think a strong player in the center, especially a bless pretender, will do well...

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All

Great to see the game is finally up and running :-) My thanks to Omni and llama for getting this done so that we can all enjoy :-)

Now the (slight) bad news, I'm not going to be able to submit my first turn until tomorrow as I'm away with work all day. So my apologies in advance for being the person who holds up the first turn.

And btw, I think it's a great idea that the first turn is set to 48hours! :-)

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no prob calahan.

if anyone ever needs a delay, just ask.

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hey folks,

I changed the reminder time to 9 hours. I always prefer this, because work and sleep are typically 8 hours for most people, so if you ever forget a turn and go to sleep or work before the reminder comes in, you man not be helped by it much.

if the extra three hours is, for whatever reason, a great annoyance to anybody, I can always switch it back.

-Omni

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good idea - i should do that for alexandria. the 1am reminders are like twisting the knife when you stale

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Looks like I'm going to have to politely request a 24hr delay for the next turn (turn 6) as I'm going to be out all day on Sunday.

Was hoping turn 5 would have hosted by now so that I could have done my turn 6 tonight without needing a delay. But it hasn't hosted yet, so....

'Please can I request a 24hr extension for turn 6'

Apols and TIA.

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not a prob Calahan.

I don't suppose you could find a sub to do one turn for you? This early in the game doing a turn is typically pretty simple, and a pretty straight forward set of instructions is all that is required.

then again, if you're leaving now, you don't really have time for that either. Whatever happens, no worries, have fun, and we can delay game for a day.

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Omnirizon

I can happily withdraw my delay request now :-) but thanks for accepting it in principal :-)

The current turn has just hosted, so I can get my turn done tonight now :-) and not worry about tomorrow.

I guess going to the status page, hitting 'refresh' all the time, and saying "Come on, host you b@stard" really does work :-)

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lol. the '@' sign is hyperlinked, and clicking it prompts me to send some mail to someone at b[at]stard.

any rate. no prob.

and in other news, Caeluem has launched a suprise attack on a province of questionable value, but right next to our home capital; undoubtedly trying to get a look at what Shinuyama are up too. Troops were dispatched immediately, and war is expected to follow. However, there is still likely a lot of indie territory between our two borders, and open conflict will probably be delayed.

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Ermor is on the verge of staling.

do we delay?
I typically say no, since no one asked for a delay. I'm about to leave for a few hours this afternoon though, and am ambiguous. If other players want to, we can. otherwise the game goes on as planned.

edit: i just noted that the server hasn't updated in almost two hours. i'm not sure what that means. will the host even process? could ermor have sent in a turn and it isn't showing? anyone?

i think safest bet is to delay hosting until llama can be contacted and we know what is going on.


continued edit: llama got back to me. ther was an error on the server that was preventing it from updating. it's working normally now, and I'm going to allow it to host.

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not only has Caeleum launched a suprise invasion on our territory, Abysia refuses to acknowledge our embassy missions, and will not engage in diplomacy, a sure sign of hostile intent.

Shinuyama, it seems, is looking at a two front war, and it hasn't even been half a year. Other nations are encouraged to rise up and take action against Caeleum and Abysia, before they have managed to carve up Shinuyama together, and gained a large lead in lands and income. Their home capitals are 164 and 56, respectively. We will keep everyone updated on all their troop movements. Jump into their backyards and make a grab while we are keeping them occupied.

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Beg pardon?

Abysia has not noticed any embassy missions - perhaps I'm missing where I am meant to see messages?

Further Abysia has made no hostile movements towards Shinuyama. Clearly some early posturing here for early advantage..

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Well I staled, which is kind of a bummer for turn 6 or whatever, but I'll look at it as enforced savings and . . . generally conservative behavior http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Sorry about that, guys. It looks like either I downloaded the turn file but didn't copy it, or the file got ruined some other way. I remember expecting a new turn but not having one to play, and then I had to leave on a trip, so I didn't get the chance to check the forums or anything.

Apologies guys. I wouldn't expect anything other than a stale if I did the same thing again http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I may be wrong, but I am inclined to believe that it was an error on my end, not llamaserver's.

Oh, I may have also sent .2h files (for two or three different games) in one email and llamaserver only receives one. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I should be able to recover just fine.