Re: Turmoil 3 / Luck 3?
 

[quote=JimMorrison;640847]3000g, "huge amount" of fire gems and a magic item.
You get this event with T3/L3. (if you're lucky :))
I've got it many times playing Pangaea with these scales.

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[quote=Falkor;640965][quote=JimMorrison;640847]Yes, I've gotten this one more than once. It only happens when playing with luck +3, but order has nothing to do with it. I've never had Luck +3 without having disorder as well (not always -3).

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Taking Luck/Turmoil for money is silly.

Luck/Turmoil is great if you have a big need for gems and gem diversity (aka, Tien Chi). All the free gem events give you a head start into remote site searching, and later on, a ton of extra gems for alchemy/summons. I was receiving i suspect close to 10-15 gems a turn in mp near the end of the game taking Luck/Turmoil.

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Just to confirm that there is no hard cap of 3 events... I just had a turn with 4 good events out of 23 total provinces. None of the events were in provinces I captured that turn.

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It's true. I dislike how some people want to froth at the mouth arguing that Order/Misf is better gold than Turmoil/Luck. Well, no kidding. But apparently they don't like extra gems, free magic items, free castles, or national heroes (which for some nations are QUITE good). Also no one factors in the obligatory (albeit relatively minor, in time) investment in PD that is more necessary with Misf. 20 PD = 210g per province. No fortune, but if you have 30 provinces, that's over 6000g dropped into keeping you safe from barbarians. ;)

By the by, in a game with Caelum using 3O/3L/3M, I've been blessed with 2 free castles in the first 20 turns. Kinda nifty, worth keeping unless they're in the WORST possible locations. (ie- screw up production in your capital or other key fort)

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Sometimes the free magic items are really nice and otherwise expensive. I´ve gotten Banners of the Northern Star at times, and other high level goodies.

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I've seen Elixer of Life, Ribcage, Wraithcrown, etc.

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Artifact random event? That looks cool!

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Its one of the reason that the die-hard competitive MPers would like to see a game option to control random events. Some of them can have a very large impact on the game. An option to turn down the random events would allow games to be decided more by whose strategy and playing is better.

Im not at all against the idea since Im hoping that an option to turn it down might also include an option to turn it up. :)

Re: Turmoil 3 / Luck 3?
 

hi fungal. if you could include the trn file, we could see which events are shown.

It is also possible that a 4th event occur in the same province as the 3rd; there's still a cap, but there are a couple ways this can be exceeded. the basic argument is not affected though: that luck does not scale really beyond 3/turn for large empires, and hence has a diminishing return. Your huge empire will almost always get 3 events max.

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I was under the impression that this was already in the game? Isn't there a random events option (defaulted to frequent) there? It even suggested making it more frequent for games where the turns are more infrequent (e.g. email games)?

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Not willing to post the turn file at the moment; it's an active MP game. However, you are right... two of the events were in the same place.

I think luck scales in the sense that an early 1000/3000 event can provide a huge boost to your early expansion. This can help you secure a strong mid-game and ultimately translate into control of more provinces late-game. Yes, you may get more money in the long run from order, but the ability to get a significant lead in research due to the free castles shouldn't be discounted. Also the gem income as others have mentioned is significant. I've easily averaged 10 gems a turn from events alone. Of course, I'm no expert... I've yet to even come close to winning any game yet :)

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Gems are the argument surely. They are worth a lot later, and for site searching. But there is no doubt you simply have less money. And it is harder to get forts up and researchers recruited. Free forts are smth you cannot count on [in one test game with misfortune 2 I got 2 free forts in 12 first turns, in other MP games where I had Luck3 I got 0 free forts].

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Here is a save file showing 4 events in 4 separate provinces, none of which are spells and none are in newly captured provinces.

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Well obviously T3 isn't for all national builds, but even excluding those whom benefit directly from T3, there are other builds which run just fine on lower gold amounts. I was trying out a build with neutral order (meh, just screwing around you know) and realized that unless I wanted to just sink 100s of gold into mostly useless PD there was really no reason to not to take T3 and spice it up with extra Luck.

I don't know how effective it would be on larger MP maps, but the effect has been that getting these bigger and better luck events early allows you to wind up with a significant edge into mid game such that the fact that you earn less money is mitigated by the fact that you simply own more territories and have more castles (because hitting a 3000 gold event lets you easilly put up 2 castles immediately with labs and temples).

Now that's not even getting castles for 'free', but having those extra castles early (if you have good recruits from them obviously) allows you to leverage the extra production more quickly.

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I've always considered luck 3 as part of a magic-priority-one strategy. I therefore always only use it in conjunction with magic scales, often magic 3. The magic scales offsets the need to build as many castles in order to get the same level of research.

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Turmoil 3 is something I tend to take with stealth nations in small map games. The units tend to be cheaper than usual, and the need for forts is less. I can also take sloth.

Thats one of the things that I love about this game. Any time that any one tries to say that there are automatic choices it tends to boil down to being automatic choices for the nations they play, in the type of games they play, on the map size they tend to play on. Be careful about such thinking of you can be caught off guard when you get into a different type of game than you are used to.

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Excellent. Those are definitely 4 completely separate random events.

The events occur in two sets of two bordering provinces, the first 2 w/ dom 10 and the second 2 w/ dom 5; not too unlikely out of the 36 provinces you have, and I can't think of how this would be relevant, though strangely symmetrical.

OTOH, who knows what crazy coding lurks in the hearts of devs?

amazing events to have, as well. 4500gp in a turn... :)

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I had a game with 4 events to send but I realized that the god is passworded. :(
Too bad. 200 provinces, down to me and one other guy. And I have 3 seperate commander-snatching labs running. 7180 income