Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

difficult sounds pretty fair for me.

And Mr Giant Killer Octopus thinks it's a good idea too.

(holy giant killer octopus i'm sad)

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

I guess I wouldn't mind difficult research even if it'll take longer for me to get up my golems, heh.

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

Difficult research and VP victory sounds okay with me.

Have to re-think my pretender now, was going to have drain 2!

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

22 players! It's a shame not to have the full house. :) If it is OK, I will join as the last player, Mictlan. :)

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

I'm ok with the difficult research, the VPs and of course the map as well. I feel so agreeable right now! :)

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

Well, while technically the game's closed I guess Nikelaos has left enough room on dry land for one more. In you come :D

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

Looking further at the chat, it seems like things are heading towards difficult research. I'll see if I can get things set up in a little over 12 hours time - make your opinions heard before then!

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

Difficult research and victory points, the difficult research means the nations with weak late game will have more chance - and more time to get a head before everyone begins to reach full effectiveness.

VP sounds good, don't you just hate when a game drags on and you already know who'll win.

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

I vote for difficult research and graphs off.

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

Difficult research sounds good to me (not biased by the fact Eriu has a rubbish endgame of course! :p ), VP is good as well, plus the map seems fun, will we be playing with the 'adventure' version or the plain one?

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

i vote for super easy research... actually i'd prefer to have it all from turn 2 or 3.

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

I like difficult research. And please no graph off. It only benefits strong players and sometimes cheaters go wild in games with no graph.

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

I'd like to second this:D

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

I think graphs off would be a terrible mistake, max info is good for a newb game this size.... If someone is kicking ***, remember to ask them how they did it later?

Are we doing standard magic site concentrations and gold/resources/supplies? I'll be using normal troops as far as the eye can see, so I'd love a gold/resource boost, but that's just naked self-interest. For that matter I have a lot of nature magic lets make supplies 50% or whatever the minimum is...:p

More seriously, I also tend to play with independents at 9... is that contraindicated in MP?

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

Bother. I seem to have come across an unexpected problem. Llamaserver doesn't have Faerun available as a game map, and while you can upload .map files you can't upload .tgas.

I'll drop a pm in Llamabeast's direction, and if things go well we may be able to start uploading pretenders over the weekend.

I am planning on using the adventure version of the map, by the way.

Settings so far agreed on are:
Difficult Research
45 VP victory condition
Graphs On

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

Greg, I just uploaded a new version of the map files on my webspace. They incorporate all of the fixes we have talked about and there's a separate borders map file which makes it easier for you to redo marking the seas as nostart. While you're waiting for llamabeast to upload the map to the server, you might as well go ahead and get a better version of the map to play on.

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

I find graphs on a pretty good idea, it makes people have to think and try not to expand to quickly or risk getting ganged up on.

gold/resources boost would affect everyone though a high resource lvl makes high resource nations pretty damn powerful because they only need a small bulk for it to cut down through any number of lighter armed troops, whilst gold tends to favour nations such as shinuyama who have troops such as the obakemonowho cost quite a bit in gold for a unit but have a tiny resource cost (aka 1), going to extremes will only disadvantage nations in the middle with middle resource and middle gold value troops rather than high resource/low gold or vice versa. so let's keep that standard.

taking low supplies tends to favour nature nations who can feed their troops just by having a mage there so that unbalances things too - better leave that standard.

independants at 9 is harsh for some nations, nations not strong early game will almost certainly lose because at the best of times they can't expand fast. Bogarus (LA - so not in this) is probably the best example, all their units are either chaff or overpriced or both but their mages are better than a vast majority of early age nations (in general early age = good magic but bad troops, late age is bad magic but good troops and middle age is somewhere in between), bogarus' mages mean they have a more competent mid game and a powerful late game but they would never reach that far with independants at 9 because they couldn't sustain enough early game expansion to survive.

with such a large amount of players there will be nations from all over the spectrum playing and independants at 9 will automaticly nigh-impossible for those late age nations to win.
Again i believe standard would be fairest.

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

Indies 9 is a bad idea if you intend to get the game off the ground quickly. The standard indies 5 is ridiculously low. I have always played my SP games on indies 7 and that's a level where you do need to put in some thought as to where you go and what you do and awake SCs need to be slightly more careful or they can end up hurt.

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

Other than research difficult, HoF 15, and rename on, I think all else should be set to default. We have full 23 nations and we do not want radical settings to kill off some nations automatically.

As it is, rush nations have an advantage (many provinces, wide open land, and difficult research), we should not make them any easier by jacking up gold or indy strength.

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

kudos you have brains,

also we want the independant strength relatively low anyway in such a big game so it doesn't take so long waiting for people to prepare that bit more in order to take provinces, and as you should know by now the higher the independant strength the bigger the advantage for those rush nations who already have a big advantage because mid game shall be coming late due to large map and difficult research.

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

ecuse my double post but llamaserver does seem to be playing up (sure you noticed the thread about it) unless noone minds waiting till llamabeast fixes it it may be worth finding some alternative?

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

Llama will be back the 1st of Nov. and all will be well shortly thereafter, at least until he goes away again!

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

fair enough

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

Although this looks to be a fun game, given upcoming holidays and hard research, which I am not a fan of, especially as a non-rush nation, I am going to withdraw from this one.

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

I don't know what has changed now that wasn't so for a few days ago, but whatever. I'm sure the llamaserver will be sorted out soon, i do hope everyone else is still interested in playing this game, despite the long wait.

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

I'm still in. I keep checking this board and the llamaserver. Happy to hold on (got Fallout to play anyway!).

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

Llamaserver is back! let´s get started.

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

Well, I haven't seen this game show up on 'Games waiting for pretenders' so I haven't sent in yet >_> But of course i'm still up for playing.

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

I'm still waiting on llamabeast adding the extra map to the server. I haven't wanted to be pushy yet, because he's been having enough trouble just getting another server set up.

I'll send another pm in a short while.

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

I am still in (since the long waiting of the llamaserver, might want to re-check that all the registed palyers are still in?)

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

Of course I'm still in. Llamaserver is online again and I have already made my Pretender, so now I'm just waiting for this game to show up on Llamaserver.

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

I'm still in.

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

I'll do a massed pm once llamaserver's wrinkles are ironed out (it still seems to be messing up on turn generation or something) and I have the game open.

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

Llamaserver seems ok now, so are we starting soon?

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

Yup. Llamabeast is going to be uploading the map file to Llamaserver shortly (<12 hours if we're lucky), at which point I'll be putting the game up.

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

I'm still in too, in case anyone was wondering :)

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

We are doing indies strength 7, correct? while practicing in SP I noticed that with indies 7+ you couldn't predict who would be the fastest expander in a full game, with indy strength 5 (default) it was always jotun and ashdod....

It seems to me that making everyone focus fire for the early game is more likely to lead to parity than letting the rushers take multiple provinces early, unless of course they have an awake SC, but then you have to pay for that.

Rabe (who really hates his longbows were accidentally not unnerfed)

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

It's been suggested and not disagreed with, so I guess so.

The game is now available for pretender uploads - yay!

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

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all praise ice cube, Lord of the ocean, Substitute Demigod of urban music.

his recording studio is now open for any who wishes to strike a pre-gig deal.

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

maybe we can change the thread name to “pretender upload”, just let people know the status...:angel

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

OK sent my pretender in

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

With regard to the map... I found the listing on llamaserver, but the only thing I can download appears to be a 356k PNG... is that what I need or has it been so long since I played in an MP game, that I have completely lost even basic skills?


In other news... I still have like 8 pretender designs to choose from. If only I knew which scales were needed for the large (or small and permanent (+money events.) Anyone have hints on minimum order/productivity?

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

The map link is in the OP, so go from there. For serious +money events, you need Luck 3 (and possibly Turmoil 3).

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Game Full!
 

luck will give you the events but they will come in big burts rather than a fixed income, for cash order tends to be a good idea, growth is better than productivity for cash because it's the same income percentage boost but you're population is also growing which means more taxes over time.

try an imprisoned oracle, you can take order 3, growth 3 and luck 3 and still have points to spare, if you need extra points (unlikely with an imprisoned oracle with no bless)you could try drain - you're mages (you are man right?) slightly resist a drain dominion though i believe it still has some effect.

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Upload Pretenders :)
 

14 players already~ not too far away~ :)

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Upload Pretenders :)
 

Hopefully we still have all 22 players but some may have deserted with the long delay.

So we might want to put a deadline for uploading pretenders and after that open the game up to players again until we have the full 22 players.

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Upload Pretenders :)
 

We have only 2 known dropouts at this stage - all current no-shows have been PMed by me already.

I've also posted a new thread asking for volunteers (as you'll probably have seen).

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Upload Pretenders :)
 

im in! when we start?

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Upload Pretenders :)
 

are we in fact playing independent strength 7, llama does not appear to think so. If we arent let me know so I can take more sloth?

Re: Doedicurus - Introductory CBM (PBEM, Llamaserver) - Upload Pretenders :)
 

We definitely are, yes. Thanks for the heads-up.