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Doh! Darn English grammar....
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>By the time your empire is big enough for logistics to become onerous... So, this sentence of Max's could also read: "By the time one's empire is big enough to become onerous..." And there we have a generic possessive pronoun! :) |
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My point exactly!
;) He was clearly replying to me, so the use of 'your' in that instance was easily taken as a statement regarding how I would run (or should run) an empire. Anyway, enough of this ;) fest, we all know we're all just kidding right? :) |
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Oh no! I'm not kidding at all! This is possibly the most serious discussion I'll have all afternoon! No more smilies from me! Or exclams.
Even as we speak teams of ninjas armed with nazis are rappelling out of helicopters in a convergence pattern on your current location. Woe betide the one who wished to end the smilieing. |
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Ninjas armed with Nazis? I'm willing to see that spectacle.
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Huzzah! My first thread has generated 6 pages of reply! There are some nicely thought out comments here. I understand that it would be tough and not fun to code for this game. I was merely posting this as a kind of wish. Maybe in the next game.
Also, I took the other poster's advice to try another nation. I chose R'yleh. Going to have to read up on that nation now. |
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If you chose LA R'lyeh... it's going to be just as bad. Except that you're a water nation, so you either have to teleport your mages or spend many turns moving them to get them out of the water and where you need.
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Who has the best movements?
Personally for this I like Arcos since their cap-only mages can cheaply travel (air trapeze) to where I need them. |
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Probably someone with forest and or mountain survival, like pangaea or ulm (ea). It's a little trickier if you want teleporting mages I suppose. Marverni would work if you only recruited carnutes and boar warriors.
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LA Ermor: gets freespawn units, must summon all its commanders, all population is killed in their dominion rather quickly.
LA R'lyeh: gets freespawn units, can also recruit commanders, but lots of population is killed in their dominion automatically Everyone else except PERHAPS EA R'lyeh: recruit all their units and commanders with gold (they gather from population), conquer more provinces, growth/death scale taken during pretender creation doesn't have noticeable effects before a province has been under your dominion for 30 or so turns. After some research and site-searching, may start replacing their normal armies with summons and supporting their normal mages with summons. |
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You might also avoid the Maenads spawning version of Pangaea.
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But you didn't really take LA R'lyeh next, did you? Did you?
No. early Age. I have enough water and air to outfit my mages with air breathing items. Interesting nation. I am going to try MA Ulm next, to see what develpoing a land army is like, and play withthe item creation options. |
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If <x> could not be directly reached you take the best move to head towards <x> with the provision that if <x> is friendly it will not attack an enemy to do so and if <x> is not friendly it will always prefer friendly provinces. If <x> can't be reached you'll get a message in the results. "The army heading for <x> stopped in <y> because no acceptable path could be found." "The army heading for <x> stopped in <y> because we no longer control <x>." "The army heading for <x> stopped in <y> because ownership of <y> changed." By doing the pathfinding calculations each turn there is nothing that needs to be saved and it will react better to changes. This would *NOT* cover fancier things like picking up the troops on the way or the like but it avoids the headaches of changing the file format. |
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Data structures: An array with one cell per province. Each cell holds a turn count and a pointer to a province. Queue of provinces and turns used. Inner queue of provinces & movement remaining. Load the stating province into the queue. Repeat Read province from queue, add to inner queue. Repeat Read province from queue. Iterate across neighbors, add them to the inner queue along with remaining movement. If the province in the map is empty, fill it with the turns used and the origin of the current move segment. Add the province to the outer queue. Until inner queue is empty. Until the target province has data or the outer queue is empty. If the target has data: Current = Target. While Map[Current].ComesFrom <> Origin do Current = Map[Current].ComesFrom Move the army to current. Runtime: This is linearly dependent on the number of provinces * the average number of provinces you can reach in one turn. Quote:
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Gather like--the commander attempts to add any units that match what he's already got. They are added to the same groups. Gather any--the commander picks up any troops he can. Quote:
This handles almost all cases. It will fail in a case where you need to distribute the armies through multiple bottlenecks--they'll all queue up for the shorter one and won't optimize the food use (Say, A needs 100, B needs 80 and C needs 60. The province feeds 160. This approach makes A go first, B & C wait.) It will also fail if two armies are trying to pass each other in opposite directions through a two-province bottleneck where neither province will feed both armies (This case will be detected, though, and you'll get a message.) Such bottlenecks are rare and armies crossing like that is also rare. Quote:
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It shouldn't be too hard to build a table of precalculated odds: Current search level, terrain type and path being searched. The mage should consider each province and cast at the one with the highest probability. Terrain type capital would have a zero probability. |
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Loren, that's very cute, but I'm afraid it still won't make this feature be implemented any sooner.
You'd probably have a better chance of convincing JK to make the AI scriptable and then implement the exhaustive province movement algorithm yourself. Which still is a very dim chance, if any at all. |
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Nice pseudo coding Loren.
It might have stood a chance in the early days. But it does show that a change would not be fast and simple as the other things we have been getting in patches. |
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Astral nations with tough troops and/or battlemages, like Ashdod and R'lyeh, have access to Teleport/Gateway/Astral Travel. Ashdod can drop in thugged-out, blessable Adonim using Crystal Coin + Teleport. (You might think LA Agartha could pull similar tricks w/ their access to astral + death, but in practice I've found that they need too many boosters for it to feel worth it.) -Max |
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